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THE OFFICIAL 2024-2025 NET RANKINGS THREAD
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too bad, its part of our dna for the season
it was a horrific performance saved by a game winning 3...our offense was particulary terrible in that game along with the first half defense
yep a 3 point home win over a now 190 something school having a historically bad season
the excuse for that one is rivalry game even though basically no one from previous year or from nj is playing in this game
What's not how what works, what do you think you are arguing against now?
Articulate how my claim (a healthy version of our current team is probably a top-40ish team) makes an excuse for the first 14 games.
No way health alone cuts this teams NET in half. We’ve seen them all healthy, it’s not that good. Too many flaws that maybe only one fixed itself here and there. Poor substitution patterns, rebounding, paint scoring and defending, FT %, three point % and Def, etc.
Not sure I see a healthy version of this team being top 40, it's just not built well.
The defense in the first half against KSU was the worst 20 minutes of the season. But SHU was also pretty rough for most of the game. It has been much better lately, primarily because Ace grew into a much better defensive player.
So true. Only 1 bad loss Kennesaw. We lost our top 25 ranking with that loss since we likely stay in top 25 after the Notre Dame win and Alabama and Texas A& M close losses. The Kennesaw loss cost us 20 spots in the NET and unfortunately another L which we cannot afford today. Princeton is not a bad loss and playing Seton Hall close is mostly irrelevant. Early efficiency numbers were bad and not blowing out first 4 teams. Only Wagner and Columbia and partially Monmouth. Playing Merrimack who is actually okay and St. Peter’s closer than needed hurt.
We lost to Ohio State in a dreadful game of allowing offense rebounds and second chance points but came back to beat Penn State who had just blown out Purdue and was on a winning streak had us primed for the New Year. Then Dylan got ill and it has been torture since.
Princeton and Seton Hall were also NET killers don’t kid yourself.
How was Princeton not a bad loss? They've basically been in a death struggle in every game they've played since us, except for their game against a D3 school. They play in the IVY.
"Cut in half" is a silly way of describing a change in a ranking lol.
We haven't seen them all healthy, because Ace has improved dramatically at the same time that Harper has been rendered ineffective. If it were any other player, I would write it off as a fluke but since Ace is a projected top 5 draft pick who I expected to improve dramatically I think it is likely to be real.
The difference between our #82 kenpom rating and the #40 kenpom rating is less than 5 points per game it's not ridiculous to think a team can improve that much.
They were not NET killers . We did not drop 10-20 spots . Get real. Seton Hall has falling off the Cliff and is now 190 . They were not close to that when we beat them . We might have moved
They are now 132 and were 115/117 for a month. Those are not the teams that hurt your NET. Losing to 300 teams like our loss to Lafayette at home was a game that killed us. Only Rutgers board people think that is a terrible loss. We lost by 1 in the last 7 seconds. It hurts the W/ L record. You would think Pike could have coached a little better down the stretch, allowing Martini to get switched onto Lee 3 straight times.
Losing to the #130 team on a neutral floor implies you performed at a #131 or worse level. It's not going to single-handedly torpedo your NET but it certainly isn't going to help.
You said all healthy, not anything about how poorly Ace was playing. Might as well tell me we’ll be getting 25 ppg now from Derkack. And to me going from 82 to 40 means 42 teams have to drop, so yes, half.
It’s not what they were it’s what they are now and at the end of the season. Terrible quad performances. Stop judging Princeton on a two years ago ncaa run
There was a previous post in the same conversation that bac responded to, see below:
Nah, that's why I specifically said:
I mean yes technically 40 is half of 80 but that makes it sound like a much bigger difference than it is, like I said the difference between #40 and #80 in kenpom is less than 5 points per game.
I am judging them on who they are today. A team that has a chance to win the Ivys for the third straight year. Do you really think thry are a terrible team ? If so , go ask every Ivy League opposing coach , then go ask all the Power 4 coaches that are scared to schedule them. Then report back. You are acting like they are a terrible team which is the further thing from the truth and I am telling you they are not a team that drastically hurts our NET.
It all depends on how you define drastically. As for the ivies and where we strive to be, not impressed. The ivies are a one bid league mostly. Any real p4 coach doesn’t tremble at the ivies. Any complements are polite lip service
Try listening to some pods and listening to coaches press conferences or when they are gathered together and offer their unsolicited opinions. Princeton is thought of highly. The IVys have sent a number of players to the Power 4 after their 4 years are up or earlier and most have had great possitive impacts on their new teams. Danny Wolf from Yale is one of those at Michigan now that I heard the commentator last night say he has worked his way into the first or second round of the NBA draft. I think Xavier Lee of Princeton has a chance for a second round pick or impact free agent. You are claiming Ivy plays shit ball and I disagree wholeheartedly.
Wolf is a rare case of an ivy league player who left before his four years were up, grabbing at that NIL brass ring. I'm curious if more will follow.
Ivy league players generally tend to be fundamentally sound, and (other than Wolf) are 5th year seniors with a ton of experience. Of course, we get Martini, though.
Still, the Ivy League usually has 2-3 good teams, and a bunch of also-rans. And their top teams keep tripping over the bottom ones, which usually keeps them out of the upper echelon of algorithm driven rankings and keeps them perennially as a one-bid league.
Part of that is because of their rules around scholarships, admission, etc. which shrinks their available player pool.
I mean, I guess it depends on how you define good or bad. If your ranking only mid-majors, sure, Princeton is obviously one of the better ones. Figure out of 250 or so of them, Princeton is in the top 20% or so. So in that regard, yes, your right.
But your taking it too far by generalizing them to be a “good” team. A typical major conference team on the right side of the bubble would beat them 8 out of 10 times on a neutral floor with maybe a few favorable match up outlier exceptions. But in general decent major conference teams are better than this year’s Princeton team. It’s not an awful loss like Kennesaw, but it’s certainly not good.
It is not a loss that hurts considerably except in the all important W/ L record. If we did not lose to Kennesaw we are likely 20 points higher in the NET. Losing to Princeton in the last second on a neutral floor is not moving our Net more than 5 spots. Kennesaw is dragging us down , along with terrible defensive efficiency numbers. We have to break thru in Quad 1 games to make a jump into the 60’s
Wins and losses don't really mean anything to your net ranking. How efficient were we offensively and defensively versus that caliber of team? Princeton is 130th, with five Q3 losses. Kennesaw isn't far behind them at 157th, also with 5 Q3 losses. Kennesaw was on the road while Princeton was neutral, which also matters.
Squeaking out of victory over 195 Seton Hall was probably worse for our NET than losing to Princeton. Only beating 251 St Peter's by 10 at home also wasn't especially great for our ranking,
Rutgers was incredibly inefficient against a mediocre team
Just checked the A-10 standings and Loyola-Chicago is listed in the middle of the pack at 3-3.
Really? Maybe I was looking at the wrong year. When I looked it up. I thought they were starting in 2026.
Edit: duh. I was thinking of Missouri State. It's their last year in the MVC before moving to conference USA. Oops!
I never said “sh*t” ball. Your words. But as a program who strives to make the ncaas more years than not from a p5 Conf they are well below us. You named two players out of what, 100-150? Come on. It’s good mid major ball at best. We should beat them 4/5 or 9/10. Again with the coach speak. It was a bad loss and they shouldn’t be on our schedule.
They should be on the schedule and Pike has to do a better job coaching and beating them . Pike ‘s lack of adjustments defensively cost us the game. It really is that simple. Good local rivalries are good for college basketball. Power 5 teams like us should be able to beat them. Not 4/5 or 9/10 like you claim but definitely 7/10. You keep on thinking they suck.
A top 40 team should beat them 4/5... but we haven't been that. A net 60-70 team probably beats them about 7/10... We aren't that this year either.
Sad that you think a good mid major sucks. I never said that. Stop putting words in my mouth. I don’t think you appreciate where we should be in basketball. The door we were knocking on and busted down 3-4-5 years ago. I stand by the “we should beat them 4/5 or 9/10 times”. They’re closer to Kennesaw than they are to us In the net and this is a terrible year for us. The entirety of the whole B1G is ranked higher than Princeton. So many p5 team are. They’re not in the top third of all div 1
Correct. A 2 for 1 home and home is what we should be doing with them. That would be a win win for all parties. Not an annual neutral game. That only benefits Princeton.
And by the way - therein is the distinction. Princeton is worth agreeing to a 2 for 1. St Peters and Monmouth are not. Again - good midmajor program. Not overall good program.
I mean sure, if they want to come to us more than we go to them I’m all for it. But I don’t want to play them at a neutral venue ever again.
Let’s put it this way. Temple is a local team from PA. They play in a much better BB conference and have historically performed much better than Princeton. I think they are better this year too. I hated playing Temple on a neutral court too, because they aren’t “good” either in the general sense of the word. These aren’t teams that are likely to routinely be in the At large picture and this year is no exception. Nothing against Princeton but these are not the type of games I want us playing on a neutral floor.
This rarely happens this late in the season.
Marist is 15-3, 203 NET, and plays in the MAAC,
Only 2 teams are consider Q3 Road games in the MAAC, Merrimack 163 and Quinnipiac 169, closest Q3 Road is Siena at 243.
All 18 games are Q4, 9 home(8-1), 9 ROAD(7-2)
They have a win @ 242 Richmond and vs 169 Quinnipiac, closest Q3s.
They avoid Quinnipiac on the road but plays Merrimack and possibly Siena on the Road.
They will have 29 or 30 out of 31 games in Q4
They have the easiest schedule locked up by a wide margin, 364 out of 364.
The closest, multiple teams with 0 Q1s and 4-5 Q2/3s, Manhattan(3) 1 Q1, 2 Q3s, N. Arizona(4) 1 Q1, 3 Q3s, (3)Loyola(MD) & Niágara(3) 1 Q1, 1 Q2, 1 Q3.
Marist is 15-3, 203 NET, and plays in the MAAC,
Only 2 teams are consider Q3 Road games in the MAAC, Merrimack 163 and Quinnipiac 169, closest Q3 Road is Siena at 243.
All 18 games are Q4, 9 home(8-1), 9 ROAD(7-2)
They have a win @ 242 Richmond and vs 169 Quinnipiac, closest Q3s.
They avoid Quinnipiac on the road but plays Merrimack and possibly Siena on the Road.
They will have 29 or 30 out of 31 games in Q4
They have the easiest schedule locked up by a wide margin, 364 out of 364.
The closest, multiple teams with 0 Q1s and 4-5 Q2/3s, Manhattan(3) 1 Q1, 2 Q3s, N. Arizona(4) 1 Q1, 3 Q3s, (3)Loyola(MD) & Niágara(3) 1 Q1, 1 Q2, 1 Q3.
Rutgers holds at 82
Northwestern up a notch to 48
Minnesota slips out of top 100 to 101
Merrimack inches to 162 on the cusp of Quad 3
Northwestern up a notch to 48
Minnesota slips out of top 100 to 101
Merrimack inches to 162 on the cusp of Quad 3
On one hand, I'm rooting for Minnesota to get back above 100. But on the other hand, if we don't want to finish in the bottom 3, I can't root for them.
Tonight's game is HUGE in terms of competing with Northwestern to not be in the bottom 3. Unfortunately, the indication is that Dylan is still not close to 100% and may miss the game completely.
Very efficient last night offensively and winning on the road
Northwestern drops to 55.
Merrimack on the verge of becoming Quad 3 win at 161.
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