ah okay thanks, never scrolled that far down lol
i always go to ncaa first but then end up using warren nolans site because it has a nice layout for nitty gritty and team sheets and schedules
THE OFFICIAL 2024-2025 NET RANKINGS THREAD
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i always go to ncaa first but then end up using warren nolans site because it has a nice layout for nitty gritty and team sheets and schedules
Unfortunately, with Dylan healthy, even J Will at his worst usually is going to give us a better chance to win than Acuff in the game. Another high volume scoring option with compromised defense is what Acuff brings to the table, and that’s just not what we need or want with Dylan and Ace in the game. JWill does stupid things but he’s still one of our better defenders on a team that struggles with defense overall.
I don't think most posters here analyze what we looked like early in the season compared to now. Ogbole was bad back then, but later in the season, he was much better. Then again, when you consider all the differences in the rotation, who's playing well now, etc., it does make a difference. Not seeing that is why fans are stuck in neutral, while teams aren't. You don't ever stay the same. You either get worse or better.
Come on. Stop. A few days later Ogbole went 9 and 8 (points / rebounds) against Alabama. And the team as a whole scored 90 points.
We let a bad midmajor outrebound us 46-27. There’s no getting around it - we just played really bad that day. Like Lafayette a few years ago.
Ace was forcing things against KSU, and that played a significant role in the outcome. Also, Ogbole was very inconsistent early in the season. If you can step back and view the season in small sections and compare them, you'll see the difference. You're standing firm on your belief, which is why you're not willing to take an in-depth look. If Pike had the same take as you, we don't see Grant or the development of JMike. We would still be forced feed PJ in large doses.
George Mason at 69 NET is 1-2 in Quad 1…a lone win at 73NET Dayton.
Jwill was really bad defensively 80% of the time, then there is the other 20% when he makes plays/things happen that Acuff never would defensively.
Also, JWill played the 1/2 mostly, at least with the starting group, and we were bigger with Ace, Grant, Lathan. You've called him the 3 mostly, but we played at least half the game with a combo of three of the 5 bigs out there together.
That game was so bad rebounding wise. Ogbole outrebounded Ace and Martini - Ace with 1 in 32+ minutes. That game was before he realized the game was more than just shooting.
JWill played at least half the game (meaning half the time he was in) yesterday at the 3. Dylan only sat for 6 minutes. Davis played 27 minutes - the two of them played together approximately 20 minutes during which time J Will played the 3.
At least, J Will played a total of 25 minutes. Aside from the first substitution patterns of each half, he slid over to the wing. Also - even with the starting line up, we’re choosing to play 2 wings in that line up and no SG. We need physical rebounders and defenders. That’s just not Acuff. Again, even when J Will is bad on D he still offers materially more on that end than Acuff. Acuff is very very limited on D. So if we don’t need/want him to focus on ISO scoring for us, he doesn’t have that much of a role.
JWill played 12 of his minutes with 3 bigs. He also played a few minutes at the two with Hayes as the three. Then he played a few in four guard line ups. Played very little as a straight 3, although the 2/3's are interchangeable in non Ace line ups. JWill and Davis played 12 minutes together.
JWill is better defensively, but in the first half yesterday, JWill was no better than Acuff would have been. In the 2nd half he was. In terms of ISO scoring, that's pretty much all JWill gives you also.
I'd take Acuff's 37% from three off ball, since almost every other advanced stat offensively is similar, a lot of the time, especially when JWill is on one of his completely useless runs. We need to sit him asap.
I’m not sure what game you were watching exactly to say J Will was “bad” on D in the first half. We went up 23-6 with J Will logging most if not all of the minutes in the first 10 minutes. I’m not sure how you could argue Acuff would’ve been a better choice.
At the 7:51 mark, Illinois had 11 total points. Again - J Will had played most of that time. Yes, he commits a dumb foul after a turnover at the 6:38 mark and pick up his second foul but at that point following the FTs, Illinois still only had 15 points.
J Will sat the remainder of the half with the 2 fouls. Acuff got a turn in there by the way. Illinois nearly doubled their points finishing with 29 at the half. What am I missing?
And to your other point - J Will isn’t a high usage type of player at all. He’s not a great shooter and he’s comfortable playing while not being the one to attempt that many shots. In 25 minutes he recorded 7 shots - made 3 of them and scored 13 points on fairly low usage. If anyone took too many shots it was Dylan Grant.
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| 54 | 54 | Northwestern | 13-10 (4-8) |
| 62 | 62 | Penn St. | 13-10 (3-9) |
| 63 | 64 | Indiana | 14-9 (5-7) |
| 64 | 65 | Iowa | 13-9 (4-7) |
| 68 | 67 | Southern California | 13-9 (5-6) |
| 71 | 76 | Rutgers | 12-11 (5-7) |
If we're going to make that Las Vegas Tournament, this is the ladder we have to climb. I'm guessing two of the 6 teams shown here will be invited. You could make the argument that Iowa and USC are the two most important games on our remaining schedule. Not only to get a win, but to give them a loss.
Just sayin’. George Mason is very close to being just 0-2 in Quad 1…if Dayton slips.
RU is now #71
Q1: 4-9 / Q2: 2-0 / Q3: 0-2 / Q4: 6-0
Results:
Q1 (1-30 Home, 1-50 Neutral, 1-75 Away)
6 - (N)Alabama (L)
10 - Purdue (L)
13 - (N)Texas A&M (L)
14 - Illinois
16 - Wisconsin (L)
17 - Michigan (L)
21 - MSU (at MSG) (L)
25 - UCLA (W)
26 - @OSU (L)
48 - @Nebraska (W)
54 - @Northwestern (W)
62 - @PSU (L)
63 - @Indiana (L)
Q2 (31-75 Home 51-100 Neutral, 76-135 Away)
62 - PSU (W)
93 - (N)Notre Dame (W)
Q3 (76-160 Home, 101-200 Neutral, 136-240 Away)
130 - (N)Princeton (L)
159 - @Kennesaw St (L)
Q4 (161+ Home, 201+Neutral, 241+ Away)
174 - Merrimack (W)
217 - SHU (W)
223 - Columbia (W)
265 - Monmouth (W)
281 - St. Peters (W)
332 - Wagner (W)
Upcoming
Q1 (1-30 Home, 1-50 Neutral, 1-75 Away)
10 - @Purdue
15- @Maryland
17 - @Michigan
37 - @Oregon
Q2 (31-75 Home, 51-100 Neutral, 76-135 Away)
64 - Iowa
68 - USC
95 - @Washington
Q3 (76-160 Home, 101-200 Neutral, 136-240 Away)
99 - Minnesota
Notes:
- Notre Dame still holding in Q2
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Q1: 4-9 / Q2: 2-0 / Q3: 0-2 / Q4: 6-0
Results:
Q1 (1-30 Home, 1-50 Neutral, 1-75 Away)
6 - (N)Alabama (L)
10 - Purdue (L)
13 - (N)Texas A&M (L)
14 - Illinois
16 - Wisconsin (L)
17 - Michigan (L)
21 - MSU (at MSG) (L)
25 - UCLA (W)
26 - @OSU (L)
48 - @Nebraska (W)
54 - @Northwestern (W)
62 - @PSU (L)
63 - @Indiana (L)
Q2 (31-75 Home 51-100 Neutral, 76-135 Away)
62 - PSU (W)
93 - (N)Notre Dame (W)
Q3 (76-160 Home, 101-200 Neutral, 136-240 Away)
130 - (N)Princeton (L)
159 - @Kennesaw St (L)
Q4 (161+ Home, 201+Neutral, 241+ Away)
174 - Merrimack (W)
217 - SHU (W)
223 - Columbia (W)
265 - Monmouth (W)
281 - St. Peters (W)
332 - Wagner (W)
Upcoming
Q1 (1-30 Home, 1-50 Neutral, 1-75 Away)
10 - @Purdue
15- @Maryland
17 - @Michigan
37 - @Oregon
Q2 (31-75 Home, 51-100 Neutral, 76-135 Away)
64 - Iowa
68 - USC
95 - @Washington
Q3 (76-160 Home, 101-200 Neutral, 136-240 Away)
99 - Minnesota
Notes:
- Notre Dame still holding in Q2
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They're not vying for an at large, so their ranking really doesn't matter too much.
Interesting that Iowa is 64NET but 0-8 in Quad 1.
And the Iowa game is coming up soon at the RAC…another Quad 1 game for Iowa.
And the Iowa game is coming up soon at the RAC…another Quad 1 game for Iowa.
Agreed. It’s actually their conference mate VCU who’s NET looks massively flawed to me at 37.
I’ll disagree a little here. I’ve seen VCU on some bubble brackets and think they will be in the mix considering their computer numbers. How George Mason is classified matters to them.
How George Mason is ranked matters to other teams much more than it does to George Mason. They aren't going dancing without winning out at this point, or winning the A10 tourney.
no, they stay the same. Ogbole didn’t get better, he just happened to have had a few better games. Not the same thing. Has Derkack gotten better after MSU ? Worse ? Is JWill better or worse than last year? Every player has ups and downs but at the end of day they come and go as the same talent.
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You said their ranking doesn’t matter for the At Large picture. It was that point I was disagreeing partially on.
Gotcha, I had intended an implied "to them" on the end of that. Their ranking really doesn't matter too much to them... It doesn't matter if they are 0-2 or 1-2 in Q1, because their resume doesn't really warrant at large consideration at this point. Sorry bout that
Been there, done that. I always say I'm going to put a long post in MS-Word first and then paste it so it never happens again. But I don't learn.
It's an interesting stat but we may also be in the running for most Q1 losses. We get a lot of opportunities that most schools don't. It's a shame we lost one possession games to KSU and Princeton. Our Q1-Q2-Q3 record would be teetering on .500.
i used to have this happen alot with recaps and its agonzing, i thought i lost todays recap as I hit send but when it loaded the new screen there was no thread, however i went to my history and there it was and somehow the site seems to save the work im doing at least when Im on the computer
I spent the 1st half watching JWill get caught up on every screen and chasing his man from behind. We were up because Illinois shot like 10% those opening 10 minutes, many on open looks, not really because of good D. As you say, one of his fouls was a horrible foul on a three point attempt. I don't think, in the first half, Acuff would have hurt us. We put him in for like a minute or two yes, and he struggled. 2nd half, think Jwill played much better.
I didn't say JWill shot too much (I did say that last year). I said he's an iso offensive player. He needs the ball in his hands to get in the paint. He does no good off ball because you don't really have to stay out on him.
I agree Grant jacks up too many. He and JWill both had good moments later on, good to see them stick with it.
Sorry but that’s off base. Illinois isn’t a good 3 point shooting team. We played them in a way that dared them to shoot those shots intentionally and they missed. That changed when J Will picked up his second foul because with Lathan in foul trouble too we flat out could not stop them in the post. They didn’t need to take outside shots because they started to score every time they penetrated. Acuff cannot slide over to defend a 3. At least not well. He’s not physical enough. Even with the starting line up, the strategy we’re going for is physicality and length to compensate for a lack of a true 5. J Will is just a better fit than Acuff who is a very soft defender. Davis is to small to defend small forwards or lengthy wings.
We didn't play them in a way, we played our normal switch most everything, chase help D, that allows open 3's if the other team moves the ball. Luckily Illinois is prone to getting caught up taking them despite not being good at it. They did the same thing vs OSU last game out, start out firing three's and Underwood then reigns them in and they focus on getting inside.
I agree, Acuff isn't going to guard true 3's while JWill could, but I in no way consider JWill a 3, it's more we go 3 guard lineups. JWill just takes the tougher guard as we want Dylan for the offensive end. Riley killed us for awhile last night as their "3". JWill def has his moments, but skillset wise, a healthy Acuff is a better fit in a backcourt w Dylan and Ace at the 3 he plays. Check out their offensive ratings, Acuff crushes JWill this year, because of his ability to hit the 3. There's a reason we've still been outscored on the year w JWill on the floor and are plus w Acuff. We really haven't used Acuff next to Dylan and Ace enough this year to see it's benefits, maybe because Acuff not completely right, maybe because we need scoring when they aren't on.
Yeah, Davis is really a PG and only guarding them and smaller off guards, we agree. Honestly, most of our successful lineups lately include JMike, Dylan, Ace, w two of the bigs.
Look for whatever reason you seem to have a thing against J Will. I don’t know what your deal there is but this isn’t the game to pick on his defense. You said he was bad in the first half and I point out that we only gave up very few points in the 13 or so first half minutes that he played. He played 25 of 40 minutes and Illinois probably scored 2/3 of their total points in the 15 minutes he was on the bench. If you think he just got “lucky” and the guy he was responsible for just missed shots that’s probably something to keep to yourself because it’s simply not what the data says. Obviously Pike agrees with me and not you here as Acuff only played 4 minutes in this game.
