The smoke is white. The committee has spoken.
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No it does not. Mostly a discussion about the merits of UW vs. PSU being the fourth team, and understandably, some joy in seeing PSU left out. No jealousy whatsoever. But I can direct you to at least 10 other jealousy threads in the last 24 hours if you can't find them.
In general, I'm a fan of the "8-team playoff" idea. But, not this year. There's nothing in teams #5-8 that says to me "Ahh yes, they distinguish themselves as being one of the best teams in the nation." In fact, it's quite the opposite. Those teams dilute the idea of "best team(s) in the land." Are those good teams? Yes. Are they great teams? Possibly. But, do I need Penn State or Colorado - or whoever is in the #7 or #8 spot - in a playoff (just to see them get spanked by Alabama) to know that .. umm .. yeah, that team didn't belong? No.
The real argument should be - Clemson is somehow ranked #2. They're a great team, yes. But, they're a great team who pulled out multiple wins against teams that a #2 team should've beat handily. And, they did it in the ACC which illustrated that it's not an elite conference. And, hate to break it to you SEC but you're not an elite conference either. Not only does tOSU belong but possibly Michigan and PSU belong, too. Strength-of-schedule MUST be taken into account. Not conference champion. And, I see three teams there that have an awful SOS.
The real argument should be - Clemson is somehow ranked #2. They're a great team, yes. But, they're a great team who pulled out multiple wins against teams that a #2 team should've beat handily. And, they did it in the ACC which illustrated that it's not an elite conference. And, hate to break it to you SEC but you're not an elite conference either. Not only does tOSU belong but possibly Michigan and PSU belong, too. Strength-of-schedule MUST be taken into account. Not conference champion. And, I see three teams there that have an awful SOS.
The only thing hard to understand in the selections is why Clemson went ahead of OSU. They had trouble with a not great Va Tech team. This looks like an award for winning conference title, not picking the four best teams in order. But a minor thing, and otherwise, the committee simply picked the four best teams. Wasn't hard.
Yes, but other than Colorad
Except Washington didn't, and they're in. I don't have a big problem with the four teams that were selected, but this year is an excellent argument for an eight-team playoff.
I might be a minority, but to me a conference title still means something. Ohio State is the only team of the final four that not only did not win the conference, but didn't even win its division. To me, they're like a wild-card team in baseball and probably should have gotten fourth seed.
Fair enough. I think that Michigan is the best in the B1G but they didn't do enough to prove it.
The problem I have with that argument is that not all conferences are created equal. The B1G is way tougher than any other conference this year, and by overall record, OSU the best team in it. If they were playing Wash, I'd guess they'd be about a 10 point pick.
I'd say the B1G championship game was a win at a neutral site. It certainly was not a home game. Home or away, I'd say the wins over Ohio State and Wisconsin are equal or superior to anything Washington had. And I'll put my reading comprehension up against that of most people.
They were probably the best over the first part of the season. I don't think they were at the end.
Makes sense to me. Still would have complaints from #s 9 and 10. Will never make everyone happy, no matter what the number.
Yep. Let's just fast forward to Bama/OSU . the semi finals won't be good games imo
Wonder if the SN jinx will be in effect? If UW and Clemson both win, the SN jinx will be undeniable.
They tied for the division championship - both OSU and PSU had 1 loss and were co-champs. I can see all arguments but the thing to keep in mind is that no multiple, 2 loss team has ever been included in the playoffs. Should conference championships mean a lot ? Yes, but not everything. Resumes and the total package are also important. Last year, BIG runner-up, 1-loss IOWA was placed in the 5th position over PAC 12 champ. 2-loss Stanford who was 6th in the final playoff ranking. They looked at everything.
Yeah, they should have been, In fact they were the preseason favorite in many circles with 43 seniors on the roster. But, when you blow a 17-7 lead late in the 3 quarter and are outgained 216 to 74 yards from the 6:30 mark in the 3rd on, well you only have to look in the mirror for where to point the blame. Hear that booger-eater ? Of course, they want to point at the refs.
Actually, the committee pointed more at the total 49-10 blowout of PSU by Michigan. Said that blowiout really hurt PSU's chances. Yes, the Pitt loss didn't help.
That's a Positive set up for a 'BAMA/TOSU Championship game.They should have,could have ranked TOSU where they belonged at #2 without changing that scenario.
Thank you lord in heaven
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Have ZERO - ABSOLUTE ZERO sympathy for PSU
- man up - you lost two games - admit it - say "Oh crap we lost two games - and we were truly uncompetitive & got hugely blown out 49-10 in one of them"
You hung that albatross around your own neck early in the season - own it - all the whining in the world is not going change anybody minds.
your best shot after going into October at 2-2 was to run the table - which you did - nice job - but regardless you needed others to stumble more than they did - and just because you ran the table - it does not summon your fairly godmother to fly in and erase your TWO losses
- So when it came to selection time there were teams with only ONE loss ... end of story ... valiant effort - but you needed somebody to stub their toe last weekend & it didn't occur ... this happens ... show some dignity - stop whining -
- the PSU staff knew immediately after they got their second loss (by being truly uncompetitive & getting brutally stomped by Michigan 49-10) that their chances instantly became super slim and that they would need others to really crumble - they knew that, the 2 losses put them in a position where they were on the outside hoping that a door would open - but knowing that all they could do was try to be ready if it opened - and it did not.
- man up - you lost two games - admit it - say "Oh crap we lost two games - and we were truly uncompetitive & got hugely blown out 49-10 in one of them"
You hung that albatross around your own neck early in the season - own it - all the whining in the world is not going change anybody minds.
your best shot after going into October at 2-2 was to run the table - which you did - nice job - but regardless you needed others to stumble more than they did - and just because you ran the table - it does not summon your fairly godmother to fly in and erase your TWO losses
- So when it came to selection time there were teams with only ONE loss ... end of story ... valiant effort - but you needed somebody to stub their toe last weekend & it didn't occur ... this happens ... show some dignity - stop whining -
- the PSU staff knew immediately after they got their second loss (by being truly uncompetitive & getting brutally stomped by Michigan 49-10) that their chances instantly became super slim and that they would need others to really crumble - they knew that, the 2 losses put them in a position where they were on the outside hoping that a door would open - but knowing that all they could do was try to be ready if it opened - and it did not.
Interesting approach. Sort of thought you guys all might want to see PSU get in and serve as the sacrificial lamb to Alabama. Instead PSU gets another top-10 program and big brand in USC in the best non-playoff bowl.
Clemson's front seven is pretty good as well. Their secondary not so much. OSU's weakness has been their O-line in pass protection. If Clemson gets pressure they can win. Just for the record I am rooting for OSU to win out for the B1G.
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