then either you step down or play it out as a losing coach and get fired. Pike will get next year and IMO a 2nd year because no coach is going to want to touch this job
This is a Multiple Year Rebuild
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Super post. I learned from it. Everything you wrote makes sense.
Can Rutgers do it?
We should know in 12 months after we have a president, athletic director, and year 10 of Pike’s build.
I think any businessman would tell you that it's easier to keep your employees from being raided by an out-of-town company than to raid another company. An employee -- and, let's face it, a varsity athlete is an employee -- has some existing roots, even if it's only a place to live and familiar surroundings. An athlete may have a girl friend who doesn't want to transfer schools, and the athlete may not want to take the chance of finding another just as good or better.
That said, it's not always guaranteed that you will keep your employees -- and the fact that we can't keep our existing employees is strong evidence that we can't do well getting new employees through the portal. We need money -- lots of it.
As I keep saying, this will change when the House v. NCAA settlement is finalized. At that point, every school will be under the same cap for compensating players. Assuming that Rutgers is willing to spend money up to the cap, then we will have less difficulty keeping what we have and getting more. The name of the game will then be to raise money to make up for the $20 million annual hit to Rutgers' budget so that we can retain low-revenue and non-revenue programs.
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Do you think most college coaches are doing this? NO
There are college majors geared to this stuff. Pikiell needs to be the guy closing not the guy initiating.
It’s not 1985! It won’t matter in 12 months. The new AD bring on their guy!
Then get someone who can do it, a GM position, or something akin to it. Should have been done yesterday.
As said above there is no multi yr rebuild in todays environment, however I do wonder if we would have been better off retaining Woolfolk and the SJ guard who went to Temple, compared to what we brought in. They at least understood the culture the strong defensive approach and would have been 3rd yr Juniors. This would have allowed greater continuity and greater investment in two transfers, as opposed to four.
Does anyone think Ace makes an NBA roster next year, everyone talks about his potential and he does have great tools, but he needs physical development and game experience, seems like G league with a revolver deal to a pro team makes more sense than spending a lot of time on an NBA bench. If that's the case, and Nike would throw 7 figures at him again and Pike matches that and you could come up with a 3+mil. Deal would that make an impact given he would be two and done?
Does anyone think Ace makes an NBA roster next year, everyone talks about his potential and he does have great tools, but he needs physical development and game experience, seems like G league with a revolver deal to a pro team makes more sense than spending a lot of time on an NBA bench. If that's the case, and Nike would throw 7 figures at him again and Pike matches that and you could come up with a 3+mil. Deal would that make an impact given he would be two and done?
There is no multiyear rebuild anymore
So many people don’t understand pro basketball, nor how much players in their late teens develop in just one year, especially with professional coaches and trainers. Ace will be playing 25+ minutes a game in the NBA, and will be one of the top players on what will most probably be a pretty bad team.
If Pike is unwilling or unable to play the shmoozer of whales, then there needs to be a position within the staff/AD to get those resources. You're stuck on the minnows ponying up.
This is the sad truth
If pike does not turn it around it will likely mean we did not bring in an AD and president interested in supporting college athletics in this climate
If that’s true this will likely go back to being one of the worst power conference jobs in the country like it was a decade ago
Every conference needs a few bottom feeders. Look at the Big 10 and look at the obvious choices in hoops....Rutgers and Penn State for sure. Washington/USC trying to buy their way out. Minnesota/Iowa trying to coach their way out. Northwestern/Nebraska also in some trouble. The other 10 look VERY VERY SOLID going forward
How on earth does Rutgers get into the top 10 of this conference in hoops. Unbelievably it has a better shot to be 7th in football
This is so stupid. It’s a brand new world and you can’t just tell the basketball coach to go chase “Whales.” He already has a full-time job. It is a component of the AD job, but in reality there are still about 25 athletic programs that need to be managed, which is also a big job (not that any problems arise from several hundred athletes). What is required is a specific focus on driving dollars from a person or persons dedicated to that effort. Anything else will result in failure.
What is the principal job of the University President? Raising money. He delegates everything possible to others. An AD needs to do the same; he doesn't have time to manage the programs day to day.
If anyone thinks the management of this new, absolute quagmire can simply be added to current job descriptions then prepare for failure.
Rutgers is a multi year rebuild situation because we don’t have resources to buy players. Just like Gio, we are going to have to wait for Angelina to develop and Nwuli.
Sarah is one of the few people that I think can dig us out of this quagmire. Our coaches have to be focused on coaching and schmoozing a big donor once in a while. Raising money is going to be the biggest challenge going forward.
If we’re the bottom feeder, it will only be because our fans don’t care. There is no excuse for our current plight. UConn and Villanova have e Championships. We have excuses.
We must give Pike all the support we can. He’s done it once. He can do it again.
We don’t have any whales to schmooze, genius. The minnows have to do what they can to get the job done. UConn doesn’t have whales but they get the job done.
You know what The NY Times has labeled our AD as? Chronically Underfunded Rutgers. It’s embarrassing but it’s true, and only because not enough fans care.
The nickels and dimes aren’t enough. We need four figure subscriptions. 1000 four figure subscriptions is a million dollars. This is the start.
5,000 four figure subscriptions is five million dollars. This is the need.
Pikiells job isn’t to get whales. Do you expect him to cold call the fanbase? Get Real.
We have a fundraising dept that is supposed to get donors. The Coaches Job is to close the deal on big dollar donations.
Need to define job roles.
Somehow ADs spend all this money but still have a few people in charge of everything all at once.
AD - manage department at a leadership level (includes revenue generation - both external and from Rutgers University)
GM - manage program at day to day level (revenue allocate and how to spend the money, go to AD with new revenue streams)
HC - manage the players at day to day level
Like an actual professional organization.
Obviously you help the level above you but the responsibility stays the same.
HC helps with player evaluation and who to target
GM/HC helps with closing fundraising.
That's because UConn has a long history of success in men's and women's basketball We don't. Success breeds success.
They don’t have whales like St John’s has Whales.
Mike Repole is a whale.
They raised $473K from 1,900 donors for various sports on giving Tuesday in December for various sports, with each donor giving an average of 250.
They’ve got a broad base of people who support.
UConn Nation Sets Giving Tuesday Fundraising Record in 2024 - University of Connecticut Athletics
STORRS, Conn. – For a fifth-consecutive year, UConn Athletics celebrated a record-setting Giving Tuesday campaign, thanks to over 1,900 supporters across the globe
uconnhuskies.com
Close the deal? How exactly would he do that? This isn’t car sales. It’s not like we’ve been like Washington and had boat loads of cash invested in the team from our donors only to finish dead last. Pike is known for getting more from less. We had Ace and Dylan but clearly nobody was interested in dogging into their pockets to make sure we had a real center. Why? I’m not sure Pike or any coach can help whether or not the donors think it’s worth it to spend their money for better odds of a good team. We’re not Nebraska.
Basketball not even on the leaderboard. That total isn’t paying for even one position in hoops.They don’t have whales like St John’s has Whales.
Mike Repole is a whale.
They raised $473K from 1,900 donors for various sports on giving Tuesday in December for various sports, with each donor giving an average of 250.
They’ve got a broad base of people who support.
UConn Nation Sets Giving Tuesday Fundraising Record in 2024 - University of Connecticut Athletics
STORRS, Conn. – For a fifth-consecutive year, UConn Athletics celebrated a record-setting Giving Tuesday campaign, thanks to over 1,900 supporters across the globeuconnhuskies.com
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The UConn report is weird. The greatest amounts of money were raised for (wait for it) lacrosse, volleyball, golf, softball and swim/dive. So it isn't donors like these who are supporting their major sports.They don’t have whales like St John’s has Whales.
Mike Repole is a whale.
They raised $473K from 1,900 donors for various sports on giving Tuesday in December for various sports, with each donor giving an average of 250.
They’ve got a broad base of people who support.
UConn Nation Sets Giving Tuesday Fundraising Record in 2024 - University of Connecticut Athletics
STORRS, Conn. – For a fifth-consecutive year, UConn Athletics celebrated a record-setting Giving Tuesday campaign, thanks to over 1,900 supporters across the globeuconnhuskies.com
Washington has lots of grads who work at Microsoft, Amazon, Starbucks, and Costco.
With regards to Pikiell, I’m obviously speculating. But for instance, for Greg Browns $2.5M donation which funded the building of the recruiting pavilion, Schiano would have been involved in selling his vision for the facility.
As for Pike, if we ever have a donor who can write a $1M dollar check, I’d expect him to be involved.
Till then, our most realistic path is to have 1,000 donors donate $1,000 dollars for starters, imo.
And what if Grant and Nwuli Transfer for a bag a money after next year?
You just don't Get it
Loyalty is gone
Longevity will be rare
Even if the new AD brings their guy, the new guy isn’t going to succeed without NiL support. What kind of coach do you think we’re attracting without NIL support?
With a $5M payroll, we should be able to keep them. But if they blow up and we lose them, we lose them, and we’ll find other players. If your point is, we’ll never be able to build a competitive team, then why are you here?
It looks like the UConn rank in file who gave what they could for the minor sports, an average of 250, which is still impressive.
Do you realize you just invalidated the entire OP of your own thread?
Any “foundation” we build is likely to leave once they blow up.
We won’t get a 2nd good year from players.
See Cam Spencer.
Or Lathan to a much lower level.
The actual strategy is getting players before they blow up and capitalize on that blow up year.
Then they leave and we need to refill the roster with new/returning players who haven’t blown up.
Bring in freshman but don’t expect to get multiple good years from them.
If Grant blows up next year, we won’t have a junior season with him.
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