I just hoping we can get to 6 wins going to be toughToo easy not to do 🤣🤣
Really excited for this season .
I look forward to physically beating a few teams A$$es
This is a PLAYOFF Team as long as the Quarterback performs
- Thread starter rutgersal
- Start date
Nope - Nick is right. There’s an underlying narrative in what you are posting to try to give yourself space to argue that Gavin woud’ve / could’ve had as much if not more success if he remained at RU because AK has a better surrounding cast. Listen to what our coach is saying. He’s not looking for AK to make passes that require fancy Caroo-like receptions. The focus is going to be on completing the simple, shorter passes in stride so that our receivers can pick up yards after. It is certainly the case that we have a speedier receiver corp this year - but no matter how great you think Gavin was at running, there’s simply no argument that having speedier receivers would’ve helped Gavin in this department. The issue was that he threw the ball way too hard in the flats or behind his receiver where they could not make the reception upright in stride. Being fast only helps if you can make those throws in stride and give your receivers a chance to stay on their feet. The one time Gavin did that against Temple, Benjamin brought the ball into the end zone. The lack of yards after reception last year was almost entirely on the QB play. I don’t see how anyone can deny this.
Not sure leading in "sacks allowed" is all that great 😲 (yeah, I know you meant something else)
btw.. UK QB depth chart..
Last year we had a QB that could not pass the ball. Way too many over the headers to receivers who were there to catch a proper pass.
Our opponents knew they could pretty much count on this. All we need is a guy who plays it smart and takes what the defenses are giving us. Our running game will move the ball well and smart passing will keep the defenses honest. Looong possessions will lead to wins.
Our opponents knew they could pretty much count on this. All we need is a guy who plays it smart and takes what the defenses are giving us. Our running game will move the ball well and smart passing will keep the defenses honest. Looong possessions will lead to wins.
Al send this clip to Kirk and Greg ASAP! Maybe they can reverse the AK QB #1 thing.
Your missing the point. You have to dig to find / think of simple throws that were well thrown which gave a receiver an opportunity for yards after. I’m not trying to say Gavin “never” did it. The only memorable one for me though was that early TD pass early on because it sparked hope for him. He just missed so many of those bunnies though. Perhaps he’ll figure it out at UK, but the point is that unless this happens, his ceiling as a starting QB is extremely low. If Jay Patel doesn’t hit that 47 yarder vs Michigan State (never mind all their unforced errors), 7-6 could’ve easily been 5-7. And the main reason is because of those drive sucking misses in the short game. So many of them.
Gavin wasn’t perfect, but at the end of the day, we won 7 games thx to Kyle and his efforts. Something we hadn’t done in 9 years.
Translating the OP:
The games that Al says are 50/50 are games that we will be dogs in (based on preseason expectations). We will also be a dog in the VT game. Then we have 50/50s in Washington, Maryland, Mn. Hopes for a 10 win season are great, expectations are dumb.
This might be our best WR corps ever, but we won't know that until the end of the year. We have had numerous teams that had multiple NFL WRs that played. So statements like that are typical Al silliness.
We do have a lot going for us, and the program made a big bet on Athan. So taking a big step DOES mostly rely on him performing. That much is I totally agree with.
The games that Al says are 50/50 are games that we will be dogs in (based on preseason expectations). We will also be a dog in the VT game. Then we have 50/50s in Washington, Maryland, Mn. Hopes for a 10 win season are great, expectations are dumb.
This might be our best WR corps ever, but we won't know that until the end of the year. We have had numerous teams that had multiple NFL WRs that played. So statements like that are typical Al silliness.
We do have a lot going for us, and the program made a big bet on Athan. So taking a big step DOES mostly rely on him performing. That much is I totally agree with.
Washington is not 50/50 because they have to rebuild their entire team. The biggest reasons Maryland beat us in recent seasons have graduated, most notably Taulia Tagavoiloa.
Sure we may have had a few NFL prospects in the past. This year, we’ve got at least 5 kids who have a good chance to play Sundays imo:
- Dymere Miller
- Christian Dremel
- Ian Strong
- Famah Toure
- Korey Duff
agreed, but think, always all 3 x QB's need to be ready to go in B1G play. Just excited overall to see the offense with more weapons, and what should be more accurate passing game.
Indeed - Wimsatt was 47.8% last year and AK was 53.1 - that 5.3% improvement should be good for another 1000 yds and 10 TDs.
Exciting!
I never read the free boards but Amen Brother for the most logical reply on here
I enter most seasons hoping that @rutgersal Is correct, only to realize by mid-season that I should have listened to @RUsojo
It’s certainly not unreasonable to look at it this way but no matter how much you preferred GW there is a bright side of the stats if one chooses to acknowledge it. Your blending all stats together but, in reality, each game is a distinct situation that calls for different things with different probabilities associated with completion ratings. Here’s a quick look at the upside:
1) AK completed 57.1% of his passes or better in half of his games.
2) There were 2 other games where AK threw the ball well despite the paper completion stats. @ Purdue he threw 3 TDs for 292 yards (it’s not his fault the D let Purdue drop 49 and his team was forced to play from behind and throw every down). He also scored 3 TDs vs Illinois and his D blew it there too allowing a gut wrenching go ahead TD forcing AK to make something happen with 50 seconds left and only 1 time out. The D knew he’d be throwing and Minny had no real running game with Taylor out. Before that drive AK was over 57% with the 3 TDs.
3) While he wasn’t “great” against Nebraska or Iowa - those are good defenses and he held his own relative to what other higher rated QBs did in those games and put his team in a position to win them.
So the thing is - when you break things down - he really only had 2 bad passing games on the season- Michigan and UNC.
Now contrast that - Gavin only completed more than 52.4% of his passes in 3 games. One of them was Wagner (glorified scrimmage). Even if you argue that vs Indiana, VTech he made up for his inaccuracy with his legs (I’ll throw OSU in there too) - that still leaves 7 of 13 games where his arm just wasn’t good enough as a BIG QB 1.
Minn's passes were "on average" shorter than RUs.
Shorter passes = higher completion rate.
Vedral had high completion rate because he couldn't throw long (arm + OL blocking)
Lots of dump-offs to players like Pacheco.
In video posts linked here Minn's media watchers said AK was better as practice QB (vs game).
But maybe Kirk can make this a "year of the mastery" lol.
I'm not as hung-up on completion % as others since a dual threat can be rougher but the running better.
GW had more TDs than AK (and in red zone)
Along with 5 clicks better accuracy there were only 94 yds rushing and 2 TDs (9 TDs for GW).
Its kind of amazed me how people just lump a pro set and dual threat together as if no difference.
Its like knocking a Honda Civic because it doesn't go off-road like a Crosstrek
I'd like to know his status. I believe he has the ability to compete for backup minutes. It's an important question since we only have 3 scholarship QBs. I know GS doesn't like to answer injury questions, but it should be asked and is better than general softballs.
You lost me with your first sentence. Gavin’s whole problem was that he could not execute short passes. That’s exactly what we needed.
In terms of the TD count, it’s quite literally meaningless - even a relatively immobile back up QB would be expected to punch the ball through the end zone from the 1 with a fresh set of downs (Al even admitted this). No - it’s not automatic - things happen, but the default expectation with multiple tries from in that close is success - not failure. Therefore - considering 6 of Gavin’s 11 rush TDs were of this nature (and in several cases it took him a few tries to actually get in the end zone) and 2 others were against Wagner, Gavin having more TDs is meaningless in terms of assessing his skills as a rushing QB. Athan also punched it through from the 1 and 2 on the two rush opportunities he had from in that close.
When you scrap those bunny rushes (and sorry, no rush in the Wagner game is meaningful - they are like a HS team) Gavin had 3 other meaningful rushing TDs and 9 passing TDs (I’m willing to include his Wagner passing TD because he still has to throw it accurately against HS level) for a total of 12 TDs in 13 games. Athan threw 14 TDs in 12 games by the way.
Except that Lincoln wasn’t protected at all. That’s the reason the Secret Service was created.
I see - all Wimsatt's passes were duds and TD's dont matter.
I'm sure you must be good at some sport but football isn't it.
I can see why you're lost
I see - all Wimsatt's passes were duds and TD's dont matter.
I'm sure you must be good at some sport but football isn't it.
I can see why you're lost
Huh? What are you talking about? I counted all 9 of Gavin’s TD passes (including Wagner). But AK had 14 TD passes on the season. I don’t think it’s a great metric to begin with but you were the one pointing to that. You simply cannot compare 11 rushing TDs for a QB who had 6 opportunities from the 1 yard line and 2 opportunities against a HS team (yes - Wagner is much worse that any FBS school - they aren’t just FCS - they are one of the worst FCS) to a QB who didn’t have 8 opportunities like that. What gives - dude? It’s nothing even against Gavin but those TDs do not differentiate him. AK converted the similar opportunities he was given.
Neither Wimsatt or AK had passing TD stats to cheer about.
AK had an All-B1G WR and could throw long.
Six of AK's TDs came vs weak teams at Illinois and Purdue.
Against NC Michigan AK had accuracy of 33.3% ( 5 for 15) and 1TD with 2 INTs -- QBR of 7.4
Against same NC team GW had 52.4% (11 of 21) and 1 TD with 1 INT -- QBR of 84.5
Remember - RU was 127th for passing and Minn was 126th - same bad stat neighborhood
AK might have a good year - I know how hard QB is.
But the claim that RU made a big upgrade at QB is weak
Personally I suspect the best QB at RU wont be starting in September.
Once the cupcake games are over we'll see what happens.
Personally I like AK and hope he does well.
I'm just not into theme that GW was worst player in RU history and AK is a savior with 5% more accuracy.
Vedral and around 61% for 2020 and 2021 (lots of short dump-offs) but it didn't mean much.
Dude - your fighting a losing battle trying to compare QB performance of like opponents. You can’t only point to one single common opponent. AK had two bad QB performances on the season. I broke it down for you. Michigan was one of them. Realistically - neither RU nor Minny were beating them anyway though last year. It’s not like RU came close with Gavin. We lost 31-7. Meanwhile, we needed a couple minor miracles to beat Michigan State in part because of mistakes Gavin made. AK was much better against them. AK was also a bit better against Iowa and at least gave his team a chance to win. His numbers were better against NW too despite the losing effort - that one definitely was not on him - entirely his D’s fault. he threw 73%, 2 TDs no picks and also rushed for 8.5 ypc. Hard to really get better than that - RU won’t lose many games if he does that. AK was better than Gavin against Wisxon too (remember - one of the TDs we had was Evan - not Gavin).
Also - you just finished saying AK mostly threw short passes to explain something else and now your saying he threw more TDs because he had a better wide out who could catch longer passes - which is it? Your not making any sense.
Thats not it. He’s just a more accurate passer than Gavin. Especially at shorter passes which is what we’re looking for in our offense to complement the run game. The bottom line is Kirk is looking for a QB who can hit short passes in stride to give RBs and wide outs a chance to pick up yards after on pass plays.
Yes, they could be good enough to be a playoff team. But I don't think Rutgers is eligible for the NJ State High School Football Playoff.
Ha ha. In all seriousness - Al makes some good points at times, I just think he oversimplifies things. It’s not only a matter of schedule strength. For example, Nebraska didn’t win as many games as NW or VTech last year, but I highly doubt we would’ve beaten them. Any team that’s good at stopping the run is going to have a big match up edge against a QB who struggles with accuracy.
Doesn’t matter whether we would have beaten them last year. Do we have enough to beat them this year— Absolutely.
No but GW with this schedule and new WRs wins 7/8 for sure. So do better. Fingers crossed. Seems to me Al is pulling like heck for AK. We all are! Even those who defended GW for the unnecessary pitch forks at the end.
Similar threads
