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This year is a perfect answer why the playoff shouldn't go to 8 teams

My God. Go to bed. You aren't making any sense.

Classic WhiteBus tactic. I'm a night guy; I'm one of the ones making sense. Your point was that we shouldn't move to 8 team playoffs; nothing you've said after that proves or furthers that point. Your best crack at it read: Because there are only three deserving teams (in your opinion), in a single season, that means an 8-team playoff is off the table.

Like I said, luckily WhiteBus logic is a field of one.
 
Classic WhiteBus tactic. I'm a night guy; I'm one of the ones making sense. Your point was that we shouldn't move to 8 team playoffs; nothing you've said after that proves or furthers that point. Your best crack at it read: Because there are only three deserving teams (in your opinion), in a single season, that means an 8-team playoff is off the table.

Like I said, luckily WhiteBus logic is a field of one.
Oh so you are the only one right on here.
My facts beat your opinions. Keep trying...and failing.
 
And they won't play an elimination game in game 13. And you keep ignoring the fact that OSU played them in a OCC game. Its not like OSU played ULM like Oklahoma did.
Jesus you get so fixated on your point. No crap it was OOC. Point is teams wil stop playing those games if losing in Auguest derails their season. Yea, this year OSU won but next if they lose they'd be out BC of PSU upset. Look forward to OSU playing two more directional Michigan schools
 
There is a simple reason why the Playoff should be eight teams. You can't have five conferences and four spots. That's retarded. I think the B12 sucks but they are one of the P5 Conferences and should have an auto bid. If CFB doesn't think that is the case then get down to four conferences.

Correct me if I am wrong but I don't know of a sport who does not award one of their division/conference champions the opportunity to compete for the big prize.

BTW, this isn't about PSU either. I've said this from the get go.
 
There is a simple reason why the Playoff should be eight teams. You can't have five conferences and four spots. That's retarded. I think the B12 sucks but they are one of the P5 Conferences and should have an auto bid. If CFB doesn't think that is the case then get down to four conferences.

Correct me if I am wrong but I don't know of a sport who does not award one of their division/conference champions the opportunity to compete for the big prize.

BTW, this isn't about PSU either. I've said this from the get go.
You sir are one of the few PSU fans I enjoy living on our boards.
 
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Oh so you are the only one right on here.
My facts beat your opinions. Keep trying...and failing.

But your whole premise is nothing but your opinion. That's the point. You've crashed and burned at making any sort of hard case. You're the one that needs to try harder; it's your stupid thread.

I happen to prefer a playoffs system with less opinion, which is a system where teams that win their conference get to play other teams that win their conference. I also think it'll happen in the future. You don't want it to happen, which is fine, but do better than "cause I think only three teams deserves it this year." Frankly, only 1 of those teams really deserves it, as Alabama is head and shoulders above everyone. Not only did OSU lose to PSU, it won by a point against a shitty MSU team. So maybe we should just crown UA NC without a playoff or championship game, which is the end game of your logic.

Let them play it out on the damn field.
 
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Jesus you get so fixated on your point. No crap it was OOC. Point is teams wil stop playing those games if losing in Auguest derails their season. Yea, this year OSU won but next if they lose they'd be out BC of PSU upset. Look forward to OSU playing two more directional Michigan schools
You give credit to Oklahoma for playing a tough OOC game but give zero credit Ohio State for doing the same! And Ohio State kicked their ass! Youre the one fixated one getting a marginal teams into the playoffs.
If you are a voter. And it comes down to picking a 4th team. Who you taking? Oklahoma or Ohio State??
 
You give credit to Oklahoma for playing a tough OOC game but give zero credit Ohio State for doing the same! And Ohio State kicked their ass! Youre the one fixated one getting a marginal teams into the playoffs.
If you are a voter. And it comes down to picking a 4th team. Who you taking? Oklahoma or Ohio State??
Jeepers..you know OSU is number two right? Barring a loss Saturday their presence isn't in doubt. It was you arguing about team 4. Guess what, Bama is in as well.
 
But your whole premise is nothing but your opinion. That's the point. You've crashed and burned at making any sort of hard case. You're the one that needs to try harder; it's your stupid thread.

I happen to prefer a playoffs system with less opinion, which is a system where teams that win their conference get to play other teams that win their conference. I also think it'll happen in the future. You don't want it to happen, which is fine, but do better than "cause I think only three teams deserves it this year." Frankly, only 1 of those teams really deserves it, as Alabama is head and shoulders above everyone. Not only did OSU lose to PSU, it won by a point against a shitty MSU team. So maybe we should just crown UA NC without a playoff or championship game, which is the end game of your logic.

Let them play it out on the damn field.
They did. OSU beat the piss out of Oklahoma.
Bama should never had a chance to play LSU without playing in the SEC championship game. LSU already beat them.
 
Jeepers..you know OSU is number two right? Barring a loss Saturday their presence isn't in doubt. It was you arguing about team 4. Guess what, Bama is in as well.
Go back and read my first post! I give the top 3. You keep bringing up #8 as a deserving team
 
I feel if your going to have an 8 team championship playoff, might as well have 12 and include only Conference champions and an independent ranked in the top 12 or the top ranked FBS program if there are none.
This idea isn't mine, but from someone posting on a RU board years ago before there was a playoff but I agree with that if playoffs expanded.
Top 4 would have a bye week and then play the 4 winners of elimination games.

If 4 stays, I think only conference champions should be allowed in unless an independent is ranked higher than the lowest ranked conference champ.
I'm a little old fashion in my own way and that way is. Only conference champions should be the ones in their conference eligible for a National Championship.
Either that or make the playoff 16 teams.
 
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I feel if your going to have an 8 team championship playoff, might as well have 12 and include only Conference champions and an independent ranked in the top 12 or the top ranked FBS program if there are none.
This idea isn't mine, but from someone posting on a RU board years ago before there was a playoff but I agree with that if playoffs expanded.
Top 4 would have a bye week and then play the 4 winners of elimination games.

If 4 stays, I think only conference champions should be allowed in unless an independent is ranked higher than the lowest ranked conference champ.
I'm a little old fashion in my own way and that way is. Only conference champions should be the ones in their conference eligible for a National Championship.
Either that or make the playoff 16 teams.
I wouldn't mind 12 even 16 but at some point you are playing games to play games. Unlike @WhiteBus i think a number 6 Washington or #8 Oklahoma team could beat a top 4 team. However, I don't think a number 16 Boise team beats anyone. Don't get me wrong, I'd watch every game but it's probably too much dilution. 8 teams is a solid number.
 
Jesus you get so fixated on your point. No crap it was OOC. Point is teams wil stop playing those games if losing in Auguest derails their season. Yea, this year OSU won but next if they lose they'd be out BC of PSU upset. Look forward to OSU playing two more directional Michigan schools

I'm not sure a 12-0 Oklahoma makes the playoffs if you replace osu and Houston with two cupcakes. Being in the big 12 is strike one. An easy non conference would be too risky.
 
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I don't see the argument for penn state over Ohio state if Ohio state beats Michigan. Ohio state would have a blowout road win over Oklahoma, blowout win over Nebraska, win over Michigan and road win over Wisconsin. Penn state lost to a mediocre pitt and got smoked by Michigan.
 
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Where is Oklahoma's quality win where anyone thinks "wow they are the best team in the country"??
Playing a good OOC schedule is nice if you win one or competitive but they got smoked twice including against an non P5 team.
I don't see where they are in the mix as a Championship caliber team.
 
So you would prefer we don't see any great OOC matchups? Why should LSU play Wisconsin? Oklahoma is out beciase they played Houston opening week? Would you prefer to see them play Tulsa? In fact, they are out beciase they played two great OOC games.
Oklahoma is out because they lost to those teams. Convincingly.
 
But your whole premise is nothing but your opinion. That's the point. You've crashed and burned at making any sort of hard case. You're the one that needs to try harder; it's your stupid thread.

I happen to prefer a playoffs system with less opinion, which is a system where teams that win their conference get to play other teams that win their conference. I also think it'll happen in the future. You don't want it to happen, which is fine, but do better than "cause I think only three teams deserves it this year." Frankly, only 1 of those teams really deserves it, as Alabama is head and shoulders above everyone. Not only did OSU lose to PSU, it won by a point against a shitty MSU team. So maybe we should just crown UA NC without a playoff or championship game, which is the end game of your logic.

Let them play it out on the damn field.
As I posted before. Let them play it out on the field but the Big 12 doesn't want to. No expansion, which is a joke and no conference championship. Why should they be rewarded for trying to back door into the playoffs??
 
As I posted before. Let them play it out on the field but the Big 12 doesn't want to. No expansion, which is a joke and no conference championship. Why should they be rewarded for trying to back door into the playoffs??

I'm with ya there. I don't think they should be. I think any expansion should revolve around conference champions (via championship game) making it to the playoffs.

In an 8-team scenario, it's Power 5 champions and three at-large bids. At some point, enough of computers, and committees, and opinions, and reputations - let them play the season games, play the conference championship and play the playoff games. Play and win, just like every other sport. If you're the media darling #1 undefeated team and lose to a lower seed in the first round, that's sports.
 
I'm with ya there. I don't think they should be. I think any expansion should revolve around conference champions (via championship game) making it to the playoffs.

In an 8-team scenario, it's Power 5 champions and three at-large bids. At some point, enough of computers, and committees, and opinions, and reputations - let them play the season games, play the conference championship and play the playoff games. Play and win, just like every other sport. If you're the media darling #1 undefeated team and lose to a lower seed in the first round, that's sports.
Nothing is going to change for the next 10/11years. The 4 team playoff is rock solid as was the BCS contract.
TV money, content money, may change the issue. However. This current contract only supports, strengthens the current bowl system. Ill bet it never gets to 8.
 
Nothing is going to change for the next 10/11years. The 4 team playoff is rock solid as was the BCS contract.
TV money, content money, may change the issue. However. This current contract only supports, strengthens the current bowl system. Ill bet it never gets to 8.
It goes to 8 when an SEC team gets left out.
 
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It goes to 8 when an SEC team gets left out.
Not in the next 10/11 years. The contract has no out, or look backs as they are called. Part of the reason the presidents were willing to sign on. After that who knows.
And if there was an out do you think ESPN would give up this monopoly?
 
You guys are in a pro market so I get where you coming from but guaranteeing conference champs a spot is the NFL model. College has been great because of the debates not in spite of them. Look at it this way, PSU fans still bring up 1994 and not getting a shot at the Natty with one the greatest offensive teams in the history of college sports. Is there any debate about the 1994 NFL champ. Or any other teams that should have got the chance to play SF instead of San Diego? Nope. Just look at the amount of discussion generated by who's in/who's out. Discussion = interest. 8 teams dilutes the discussion too much. In college body of work is more important than who's hottest at the end. Many times the NFL champ is who's hottest/healthiest at the end because you take 12/32 or 37% of the teams for the playoffs. 4/65 is 6%. Talent distribution in the NFL is much more even so taking a greater % is fine but in college you truly have to have an elite season to make it. If PSU makes the CCG and beats Wisky have we had an elite season. I don't know. It doesn't feel elite but when stacked against the other resumes it might end up being elite.
 
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As many in this thread have said, let the season play out.

Alabama in the Iron Bowl this week. What if Auburn pulls the upset? They have played them tight several times when nobody gave them a shot. Probably still in.

Michigan vs Ohio State: if it is not close one way or the other, is the loser out? If it goes to the wire or OT, does the loser not fall far? Michigan definitely gets in the playoff if they win this one and the conference title. Ohio State with two losses, cannot keep them ahead of a two loss Penn State that beat them... can you? Michigan with two losses and an injured QB, is it like the NCAA hoops committee making an allowance in seeding for an injured player?

Clemson: beat South Carolina and win the ACC title next week. Finish 12-1 with only a last second loss to a team that beat Penn State too. Don't they deserve to be in over the Nits? Lose another, though, and...

Washington lost to USC. If thry win out and beat SC in the Pac-12 title game to get to 12-1 while avenging their loss, are they in?

Penn State could lose to the Spartans. Michigan State has strong lines on both sides of the ball. They were able to play OSU to the wire, why not PSU? Clearly another loss knocks Penn State out.

Wisconsin: hardly watched them all season. If they win out and beat an 11-1 Michigan or Ohio State, don't they belong in?

Oklahoma plays Oklahoma State. Why is Oklahoma State punished for losing a game on an officiating error? If they had one loss and beat the Sooners to end the season are they in the conversation? Oklahoma just beat up on WVU in Morgantown. That is a good win, beating their in state OSU would be another. But losing badly to the B1G OSU is a tough one to stomach unless the Buckeyes are in the playoff.

The debate is good for the sport.

Eight teams max IMO in the future. Power Five champs plus highest G5 champ plus two at large. First round on campuses, semis and finals at bowl sites.
 
Playoffs are just as much about politics as much as worthiness. There are 30 some odd at large bids for the NCAA basketball tourney so usually any team with a decent chance is in but there are worthy teams left out for champions of smaller conferences. Why? Many of them barely have a chance to win a game. It's part of the beauty, fun and politics of it.

Eventually, I think we will get to 8 because of the politics. When? I don't know but some time in the future whether near or distant. When you have 4 spots and 5 power conferences it's going to be untenable over the long haul especially a year like this one with a real possibility of one conference getting 2 teams in. You could have the controversy of 2 P5's left out or a very worthy OSU team being left out or a B10 champ PSU/Wisconsin. If this kind of situation plays out more over time then eventually the pressure will be there, plus you're always leaving 1 out every year. So far only the B12 and PAC12 have felt the sting if it ever rolls around to the B10/SEC that's just more pressure.

In the end I think you get a little bit of the NCAA basketball tourney flavor. Like mentioned above you have 5 P5 champs, highest ranked G5 and 2 at large bids. It'll pretty much encompass everyone with a decent shot and also introduces that cinderella feel of the NCAA basketball tourney. It'll allow a team like OSU in where their resume is very worthy even if they aren't a conference champion. You'll have 2 spots for that for that kind of scenario. It'll also keep at maximum number of games played for a team at 16 which I think is the likely limit they'd want to go.
 
As many in this thread have said, let the season play out.
I agree with this and many times things will resolve themselves. But sometimes they won't. That's why I say I think it'll become untenable over the long haul not particularly this year or near future. Say OSU lost to Michigan that would resolve a lot of the issues this year. But that doesn't mean it will happen every time we're introduced with this kind of situation. And over the long haul it will pop up again and likely multiple times. Plus you're always leaving someone out and if that ever rolls around to the B10/SEC then what? Have that happen a couple times.

So short term who knows but long term as the various scenarios inevitably play out I think it will eventually expand to 8 on the politics of it.
 
There is Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State with a week left and conference championships games. None of the other teams belong. After the next two weeks there maybe only two great worthy.
College football doesn't need a participation trophy expanded playoff. You're great or not. There isn't 8 teams worthy.

Let say Ohio State wins and Penn State wins the Big 10. The current favorites also win out.

1 Alabama*
2 Clemson*
3 Penn State*
4 Ohio State
5 Washington*
6 Oklahoma*
7 Michigan
8 Boise State*
*Conference champions

With an 8 team playoff we get this to watch on 12/17:
The Power 5 get auto bids and the highest ranked group of 5. Highest ranked conference champion host first round or higher seeded team:
Boise State at Alabama 11 AM
Michigan at Clemson 2:30 PM
Oklahoma at Penn State 6 PM
Ohio State at Washington (Due to Washington being conference champion) 9:30 PM

Instead this is what we get to watch on 12/17:
New Orleans Bowl: Middle Tenn. vs. Ark. State
Cure Bowl: UCF vs. Appalachian State
Camellia Bowl: Eastern Michigan vs. South Alabama
Las Vegas Bowl: San Diego State vs. Arizona State
New Mexico Bowl: North Texas vs. New Mexico

How can any college football fan not want that? 8 teams out of 65+ teams is not everyone gets a trophy. The regular season still has meaning because of the home field advantage and the only 3 at large bids.
 
Let say Ohio State wins and Penn State wins the Big 10. The current favorites also win out.

1 Alabama*
2 Clemson*
3 Penn State*
4 Ohio State
5 Washington*
6 Oklahoma*
7 Michigan
8 Boise State*
*Conference champions

With an 8 team playoff we get this to watch on 12/17:
The Power 5 get auto bids and the highest ranked group of 5. Highest ranked conference champion host first round or higher seeded team:
Boise State at Alabama 11 AM
Michigan at Clemson 2:30 PM
Oklahoma at Penn State 6 PM
Ohio State at Washington (Due to Washington being conference champion) 9:30 PM

Instead this is what we get to watch on 12/17:
New Orleans Bowl: Middle Tenn. vs. Ark. State
Cure Bowl: UCF vs. Appalachian State
Camellia Bowl: Eastern Michigan vs. South Alabama
Las Vegas Bowl: San Diego State vs. Arizona State
New Mexico Bowl: North Texas vs. New Mexico

How can any college football fan not want that? 8 teams out of 65+ teams is not everyone gets a trophy. The regular season still has meaning because of the home field advantage and the only 3 at large bids.
Except your ranking are way off. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
 
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Let say Ohio State wins and Penn State wins the Big 10. The current favorites also win out.

1 Alabama*
2 Clemson*
3 Penn State*
4 Ohio State
5 Washington*
6 Oklahoma*
7 Michigan
8 Boise State*
*Conference champions

With an 8 team playoff we get this to watch on 12/17:
The Power 5 get auto bids and the highest ranked group of 5. Highest ranked conference champion host first round or higher seeded team:
Boise State at Alabama 11 AM
Michigan at Clemson 2:30 PM
Oklahoma at Penn State 6 PM
Ohio State at Washington (Due to Washington being conference champion) 9:30 PM

Instead this is what we get to watch on 12/17:
New Orleans Bowl: Middle Tenn. vs. Ark. State
Cure Bowl: UCF vs. Appalachian State
Camellia Bowl: Eastern Michigan vs. South Alabama
Las Vegas Bowl: San Diego State vs. Arizona State
New Mexico Bowl: North Texas vs. New Mexico

How can any college football fan not want that? 8 teams out of 65+ teams is not everyone gets a trophy. The regular season still has meaning because of the home field advantage and the only 3 at large bids.
How can you say the regular season has meaning? Under the 8 team scenario this Saturdays OSU/Michigan game is meaningless! The loser still has the 8 team playoff net to save them from a loss! Neither Michigan or OSU will drop out of the top 8 with a loss.
 
College Football is entertainment. An 8 team playoff will bring 7 must watch bowl games compared to a 4 team playoff which is 3 must watch games and 2 other meaningless bowl games. Every year is going to bring a different number of top teams to the table. Solution seems pretty clear to me.
 
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There is a simple reason why the Playoff should be eight teams. You can't have five conferences and four spots. That's retarded. I think the B12 sucks but they are one of the P5 Conferences and should have an auto bid. If CFB doesn't think that is the case then get down to four conferences.

Correct me if I am wrong but I don't know of a sport who does not award one of their division/conference champions the opportunity to compete for the big prize.

BTW, this isn't about PSU either. I've said this from the get go.
But this is where the SOS and especially the tough OOC games that some folks think teams may avoid come into play. It should stay at 4.
 
How can you say the regular season has meaning? Under the 8 team scenario this Saturdays OSU/Michigan game is meaningless! The loser still has the 8 team playoff net to save them from a loss! Neither Michigan or OSU will drop out of the top 8 with a loss.
It still meaningful. If Michigan would win they go to the B1G championship and possibly secure home field advantage. Also Michigan is not guaranteed a spot in the playoff. They could easily be replaced by a 10-2 Colorado or 10-2 Louisville.
 
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But this is where the SOS and especially the tough OOC games that some folks think teams may avoid come into play. It should stay at 4.
There is just as much as an incentive. There still seeding and at large bid. In addition if you lose an OOC game you still have time to recover.
 
You guys are in a pro market so I get where you coming from but guaranteeing conference champs a spot is the NFL model. College has been great because of the debates not in spite of them. Look at it this way, PSU fans still bring up 1994 and not getting a shot at the Natty with one the greatest offensive teams in the history of college sports. Is there any debate about the 1994 NFL champ. Or any other teams that should have got the chance to play SF instead of San Diego? Nope. Just look at the amount of discussion generated by who's in/who's out. Discussion = interest. 8 teams dilutes the discussion too much. In college body of work is more important than who's hottest at the end. Many times the NFL champ is who's hottest/healthiest at the end because you take 12/32 or 37% of the teams for the playoffs. 4/65 is 6%. Talent distribution in the NFL is much more even so taking a greater % is fine but in college you truly have to have an elite season to make it. If PSU makes the CCG and beats Wisky have we had an elite season. I don't know. It doesn't feel elite but when stacked against the other resumes it might end up being elite.
The discussion and ultimate determination about rankings has been based on reputations and politics in the past. Not merit. Some talking head on ESPN said that Ohio State should get in the playoff over PSU should they win out because they're a "brand". You can make a real case for putting Ohio State in, but that mentality is what made the BCS a joke in the first place.
 
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I'm for a 6 team playoff and I honestly believe it would be the standard for decades to come. The number 1 & 2 teams in the country get a by. The number 3 plays 6 and 4 plays 5. Only one game is played. Now you have a 4 team playoff. This is the only way it will work (fairly) because a number 5 & 6 are given a shot.
 
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The Big 12 has decided they will gamble by playing one less game than every other conference by passing on a ConferenceChampionship game. The Big 12 has said less football is better.

You are missing the guy's point. He isn't ignoring Oklahoma's losses. His point is, according to your logic, Oklahoma would have been better off not scheduling Ohio St. and Houston, and just playing cupcake teams.

And they won't play an elimination game in game 13. And you keep ignoring the fact that OSU played them in a OCC game. Its not like OSU played ULM like Oklahoma did.

The Big 12 didn't pass on anything. The weren't allowed to play a CCG because of only having 10 schools.
 
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This discussion is reminiscent of the NCAA expanding the basketball tournament from 32 to 64. Stop already! There will ALWAYS be debates as to the best 4 teams, but the same debates will occur regarding the best 8 teams. The real issue is what criteria the selection committee uses to make its decisions. Every year there will be a situation where team A beats team B, who beats team C, then C beats A. We wanted a final playoff system, and now we have it.
 
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You guys are in a pro market so I get where you coming from but guaranteeing conference champs a spot is the NFL model. College has been great because of the debates not in spite of them. Look at it this way, PSU fans still bring up 1994 and not getting a shot at the Natty with one the greatest offensive teams in the history of college sports. Is there any debate about the 1994 NFL champ. Or any other teams that should have got the chance to play SF instead of San Diego? Nope. Just look at the amount of discussion generated by who's in/who's out. Discussion = interest. 8 teams dilutes the discussion too much. In college body of work is more important than who's hottest at the end. Many times the NFL champ is who's hottest/healthiest at the end because you take 12/32 or 37% of the teams for the playoffs. 4/65 is 6%. Talent distribution in the NFL is much more even so taking a greater % is fine but in college you truly have to have an elite season to make it. If PSU makes the CCG and beats Wisky have we had an elite season. I don't know. It doesn't feel elite but when stacked against the other resumes it might end up being elite.
Would you rather be discussing or watching football? There would still be discussion at 8 teams. Dis the discussion get cut in half when they went from 2 teams to 4? It will always be there.
 
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This discussion is reminiscent of the NCAA expanding the basketball tournament from 32 to 64. Stop already! There will ALWAYS be debates as to the best 4 teams, but the same debates will occur regarding the best 8 teams. The real issue is what criteria the selection committee uses to make its decisions. Every year there will be a situation where team A beats team B, who beats team C, then C beats A. We wanted a final playoff system, and now we have it.
Going from 32 teams (11%) to 64 teams (22%) is the equivalent of debating going from 14 teams college football to 28 teams. We are talking about going from 3.3% of teams to 6.6% of teams making it.
 
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I'm for a 6 team playoff and I honestly believe it would be the standard for decades to come. The number 1 & 2 teams in the country get a by. The number 3-6 play one game to establish the third and fourth team. Then you will have the 1 & 2 play the winners the very next weekend. This is the only way it will work (fairly). An eight team playoff will take too long and in my opinion is utterly unfair to the 1 & 2.

You think an 8 team playoff takes more time than a 6 team playoff?
And to your earlier post: Yes, many would rank Ohio State ahead of PSU
if they end with the same record
 
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