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Tom Brady = Cheater

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Lots of evidence. What else do you need to hear? If you read some of the report, you would see there is lots of evidence. Just look at the text messages. How's this for evidence, McNally took the balls from the officials without their knowledge, against normal procedure, something the officials said had never happened to him before, and ducked into the bathroom with the balls. I don't know about you, but If I was going into the bathroom, I might leave 2 large mesh bags of balls outside. But anyway, the balls that were tested and approved by the officials suddenly lost between 1 and 2 psi? Circumstantial, yes, but add it all up and its clear What Brady had the guys do and then when confronted, lied about it. Its always the coverup that gets you.

I don't think the crime was that great, had he fessed up immediately, I think this would be long over with. Maybe he would have gotten a fine, but that probably would have been it. But now that the NFL spent a fortune on a 273 page report, and its obvious Brady Lied, they have to do something. Brady brought this on himself by not coming clean originally.
How does the evidence you cited implicate Brady? The ball boy yes, but how Brady?
 
CBSSports reporting that a one-year suspension for Brady is being considered, in large part because he refused to fully cooperate with the investigation. That might get some folks' attention.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...m-brady-could-be-suspended-for-up-to-one-year

Sorry -- having trouble getting link to work in new system.

Not sure how this would hold up. The NFL can't figure out how to create an actual system to issue out punishment. These arbitrary suspension lengths usually get appealled or shortened for good behavior.
 
How does the evidence you cited implicate Brady? The ball boy yes, but how Brady?

Read the report. There's a ton of evidence that indicates that this was done at Brady's behest and with him rewarding the guys who did, and then checking with them to make sure they didn't spill the beans. Plus, he refused to allow his phone/text records to be seen. That and the simple fact of why on earth would they do it if Brady didn't want it done?
 
How does the evidence you cited implicate Brady? The ball boy yes, but how Brady?

Ok, I obviously could not mention all the evidence in this case. I was only mentioning an example of the type of evidence they have. The report is 273 pages, and I have read most of what was considered evidence. Read it yourself and then make a conclusion.

1. Do you really think the equipment personnel would change the pressure in the balls after having been approved by the ref on his own? Be honest.

2. Tom Brady refused to cooperate in the investigation and turn over relevant phone messages and or texts that were requested. Surely you consider this evidence.

Much of the evidence is circumstantial, but when the main person under investigation refuses to cooperate, that says a lot.
 
How does the evidence you cited implicate Brady? The ball boy yes, but how Brady?

Well didn't the ball boy make numerous references in his texts that he wanted to have conjugal relations with him?
 
Lots of evidence. What else do you need to hear? If you read some of the report, you would see there is lots of evidence. Just look at the text messages. How's this for evidence, McNally took the balls from the officials without their knowledge, against normal procedure, something the officials said had never happened to him before, and ducked into the bathroom with the balls. I don't know about you, but If I was going into the bathroom, I might leave 2 large mesh bags of balls outside. But anyway, the balls that were tested and approved by the officials suddenly lost between 1 and 2 psi? Circumstantial, yes, but add it all up and its clear What Brady had the guys do and then when confronted, lied about it. Its always the coverup that gets you.

I don't think the crime was that great, had he fessed up immediately, I think this would be long over with. Maybe he would have gotten a fine, but that probably would have been it. But now that the NFL spent a fortune on a 273 page report, and its obvious Brady Lied, they have to do something. Brady brought this on himself by not coming clean originally.

This team has been cheating since the day they had an ex-con go out and plow a spot for their kicker in the snow. Brady is guilty and so is Hernandez...multiple times. About time they get the boom lowered on them.
 
There are 32 teams in the NFL and does anyone really believe that the Patriots are the only team deflating the game balls. I believe that the majority of QB's are doing the same thing to improve their performance. In reality the NFL. like every professional sports league, is actually in the entertainment business. Their job is to entertain us with the best possible product for the money we pay for our tickets. If deflating the ball a bit improves the product on the field I, the consumer, am getting more for my entertainment dollar. This entire deal is a silly waste of time perpetrated by indignant fans who hate the NE Patriots, Belechick and Brady. Get over it!
 
Those that are defending Brady must be NE Patriots fans or the dumbest people on the planet
 
That's Ok, bring on the punishment! Let the Jimmy Garoppolo era begin!

The one thing that would probably work in the Pats favor is Brady gets suspended for 8-16 games and Garoppolo actually performs well with the Pats and Brady gets released after this season and lands with the Niners, Chiefs or Raiders to finish his career.....it would be similar to Mo Lewis changing the course of the NFL future by hitting Drew Bledsoe on the sidelines that game, which forced the Pats to play Brady.

Brady is annoying enough and arrogant enough to think he's part of the Belicheck/Kraft clique, when he's just a piece and players....Pats will win with pretty much any QB with how much they cheat and bend the rules and this will fuel them to compete/cheat even more.

Cutting Brady and his contract makes all the sense in the world if the NFL blows up Brady and the Pats. He's not going to play forever anyway.....
 
We should hold professional athletes to a higher standard than politicians?
This gets me thinking to Christie and the bridge lane closures. Some on the thread think that since Brady didn't turn over phone records he is guilty, does that mean that Christie is guilty for the dozens of things that he hasn't turned over his phone and email records for, even though he is required to do so by law?
 
This gets me thinking to Christie and the bridge lane closures. Some on the thread think that since Brady didn't turn over phone records he is guilty, does that mean that Christie is guilty for the dozens of things that he hasn't turned over his phone and email records for, even though he is required to do so by law?

Brady isn't guilty just because he refused to cooperate and turn over evidence requested in an investigation, but it is damming evidence against him.

Christie and others like Hillary Clinton should be punished if it was shown that they didn't turn over information requested or destroyed information requested in an investigation.
 
This gets me thinking to Christie and the bridge lane closures. Some on the thread think that since Brady didn't turn over phone records he is guilty, does that mean that Christie is guilty for the dozens of things that he hasn't turned over his phone and email records for, even though he is required to do so by law?
Maybe that's why Christie has spoken out to defend Brady. Birds of a feather and all.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...0NThjBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwM1BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--
 
If you thought the game was clean you must have had your head in the sand. Have you not noticed the number of PED suspensions that are doled out each year? And keep in mind that HGH wasn't against league rules until last year. If you are looking to the NFL for anything but entertainment you are looking in the wrong place.

I didn't say I think the game is clean. I'm talking about the integrity of the game and a franchise that already compromised it. After bounty gate and spygate, the commissioner has a demanding challenge in front of him and it will be interesting to see what the outcome will be.
The ball is the central piece of the game. If you don't care what happens here, then you have low expectations for your "entertainment".
 
I went to a cowboys game last season (vs. Giants) and they most certainly pump in fake crowd noise too, to me it was a very obvious distinction from the actual crowd noise, which generally followed the prompting from the fake stuff. You can bet they'll never get caught/punished.
Umm, the Cowboys wouldn't punish the Cowboys??? Pay attention son, the NFL docked the Cowboys of $10 million in salary cap space just a few years back. Most teams pump in noise after the play which is allowed. The Falcon were pumping in noise during the play, huddle and pre snap which is not.
 
Silliest non issue ever! Ridiculous even an issue. Go through sports history and constant gamesmanship. Best example might be a former United States Senator and Presidential candidate who hid a needle on him to make sure the basketball was inflated to his liking. He is revered and rightly so. This is just sour grapes and Brady and Patriot bashing plan and simple.
 
Umm, the Cowboys wouldn't punish the Cowboys??? Pay attention son, the NFL docked the Cowboys of $10 million in salary cap space just a few years back. Most teams pump in noise after the play which is allowed. The Falcon were pumping in noise during the play, huddle and pre snap which is not.
Pay attention son, I didn't say the noise was after the play, now did I? The Cowboys were docked due to fake crowd noise? I think not. Not relevant to my post.
 
Really??? The Falcons lost a draft pick for pumping in sound. Don't you think this is worse as it actually affects performance?

Really don't care...i think it's funny actually. Then again, I'm a Giants fan and my team beats Brady cheating or not so what do I really care? Let him be arrogant. The guy has won enough to earn it if you ask me. There's more wrong with the NFL than the air pressure in the Patriot's footballs.
 
Governor Christie came out in full support of Brady and blasted the media for all the hysteria regarding deflating the footballs.I think he just gained votes in New Hampshire and other nearby states who support the Patriots.
 
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