Tom Brady = Cheater
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I totally agree with this. I love the people who say its a non-issue but are not looking at the bigger picture. Brady lied to the nation at a press conference specifically about this. Should there be no punishment at all for that? Do you care about integrity at all?
Actually what is dumb are the Ray Rice defenders; many of whom are flipping out about this rinky dink nonsense, yet think it is ok to beat women.
I'm a JETS fan and no Tom Brady advocate but let's be real. You have texts from a kid that is probably annoyed/jealous dealing with a pretty boy prima Donna. No real facts and no direct correlation to the major players. You have a League that just decided it was important to test for growth and I should be appalled by 2 ounces of air? If you think growth was a baseball issue you ain't seen nothing yet.......
Maybe you are taking this a bit too seriously. Lied to the nation? He's not the President of the United States.
If you thought the game was clean you must have had your head in the sand. Have you not noticed the number of PED suspensions that are doled out each year? And keep in mind that HGH wasn't against league rules until last year. If you are looking to the NFL for anything but entertainment you are looking in the wrong place.
Not taking it too seriously! LOL We are not impeaching Brady, at least until he gets voted into office!!!!!!! Just stating a fact.
We are all just discussing this. Brady cheated and then lied about it. Should there be no accountability? Of course the punishment should fit the crime, but he has to get some punishment.
add me to that list too, who cares if the ball had less air. This isn't a corked bat, does anyone really think this makes all that much difference in the level of play?
As with politics... it's not the crime, it's the cover-up.
Whether or not this is a stupid rule is not the question. The Pats have repeatedly cheated over the years and their previous situations make this one even worse. If they had never been caught cheating before, it might have been a slap on the wrist. With their past, the league has to do something imo.
Whether or not this is a stupid rule is not the question. The Pats have repeatedly cheated over the years and their previous situations make this one even worse. If they had never been caught cheating before, it might have been a slap on the wrist. With their past, the league has to do something imo.
There needs to be an investigation into the relationship between Goodell and Kraft. Always felt NE gets subtle preferential teatment. For example, anecdotally it seems they get way more prime time games at home than on the road. That's just one example.
I think half the people responding don't give a rat's patootie either way.
The one with the true black eye is the NFL, because they are supposed to be policing it. And given the low fumble rate for NE, they haven't been doing their job.
The fumble rate study is poor statistically. The WYWO (with you without you) rates for players who played for the Patriots and others was consistent for plays that didn't involve special teams. The change in the fumble rate can mostly be explained by the fact that over the last several years the Patriots have shifted to running significantly more pass than run plays; and their pass plays are short in developing such that Brady gets the ball away usually in the first 2 seconds. If you run the statistics on spread offenses that don't run the ball you will see that they have really low fumble rates as well.
Football is not exactly a sport that lives by 'thou shall not break rules'. If it was, you probably wouldn't need 7 officials to ref a game, and average penalty yards would be closer to zero. This was an infraction in plain sight, with the refs handling the balls on every play. If the soft ball was so obvious to the Colts on the INT, the real question is why didn't the refs pick up on it and deal with it during the game.
It's no different from OLinemen holding on every play or the DB's illegally contacting guys down the field, but not getting called. It has nothing to do with integrity of the game. It's a minor violation. It may be easier to grip, but as several QB's had pointed out, the ball doesn't travel as well underinflated.
What did I miss here? The NFL issued a 243 page report that didn't conclude anything aside from it being "more probable than not" that Brady knew. That means they did not find any tangible evidence he knew and are sticking to their conclusion regardless by using legally acceptable terminology.
At the highest levels of competition, small differences can mean a lot. Not being an NFL quarterback, I don't know if it does or not in this instance, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did. What I'd really like to know is how big Tom Brady's hands are compared to the average NFL quarterback. If his hands are smaller, maybe he needed the balls deflated for a better grip. I would imagine this is something they measure quarterbacks for at the NFL combine.
Except that holding is not premeditated. Neither is illegal contact.
Yes the ball doesn't fly as nicely but a ball lacking a few pounds is much easier to catch.
The problem here isn't that they skirted the rules. It's that they constantly are trying to find an advantage outside the rules.
I won't be able to watch the Pats anymore without thinking about what they could be cheating today
Honest question, have we heard from other teams or QB's in the last 24 hours? Are other players demading repercussions?
The answer to that question is simple.
Those people who don't think it gives a competitive advantage 1) when griping the ball to throw it, especially in cold or wet weather, 2) when catching the ball (less likely to "bounce" off a players body) and 3) running with the ball (easier to clutch the ball tightly and reduce fumbling) are:
a) Patriot fans
b) Tom Brady fans
c) Rutgers fans who like the Pats because of all the Rutgers players they have, or
d) All of the above.
I love the fact that the Pats have so many Rutgers players too. But, bottom line, Tom would NOT have done this if it didn't help improve his ability to throw the ball. Period.
I'm willing to bet we could go back and find games played in bad weather where the other teams QB is finding it extremely difficult to throw the ball yet Tom Brady is throwing darts all over the place.
Because West Point Knight is incapable of offering an opinion that isn't tinged by his own team biases. Clearly he's a Patriots fan.
If Texas A&M raped and pillaged a neighboring village, he'd be okay so long as they were ready for the game on Saturday.
I went to a cowboys game last season (vs. Giants) and they most certainly pump in fake crowd noise too, to me it was a very obvious distinction from the actual crowd noise, which generally followed the prompting from the fake stuff. You can bet they'll never get caught/punished.
If you read the report and look at what the stated standards are in the NFL for punishing teams, the situation here is pretty clear. "More probable than not" is the standard needed for punishing a team, and that is what Wells has delivered.
The report is much more damning than the reporting of it. It's clear that the ball/locker room guys were doing this at Brady's behest (or why would he be giving them stuff), and that it was done during the playoff game (the balls been close to a pound under weight for the Pats, versus on weight for the Colts is clear evidence). It is also clear that Brady immediately went into CYA mode with the guy who deflated the balls, calling and texting him like mad in the days after this went public. Brady lied to the public, to the investigators, and refused full cooperation with the investigators.
The notion that this is only for kicking is silly -- Brady advocated for the change in the rules several years ago. It's a big deal to QBs to have the balls be the way they want them.
Kraft comes across as a real jerk here as well, which is surprising. His team cheated, not horrendously, but unambiguously and he ought to own up to it. So should Brady. Did Belichek know? Hard to believe he didn't, but no evidence he did, so he's in the clear.
I would suspend Brady for six games, and take say, 1st, 3rd, 5th, and 7th picks away from the Pats next draft. What will happen? Probably 2 games for Brady and nothing else, and Brady, Kraft, and Pats fans will scream about it.
And btw, I like the Pats, was pulling for them in the SuperBowl. But this is clear cheating and lying about it, and the league needs to do something clear about it.
The report is much more damning than the reporting of it. It's clear that the ball/locker room guys were doing this at Brady's behest (or why would he be giving them stuff), and that it was done during the playoff game (the balls been close to a pound under weight for the Pats, versus on weight for the Colts is clear evidence). It is also clear that Brady immediately went into CYA mode with the guy who deflated the balls, calling and texting him like mad in the days after this went public. Brady lied to the public, to the investigators, and refused full cooperation with the investigators.
The notion that this is only for kicking is silly -- Brady advocated for the change in the rules several years ago. It's a big deal to QBs to have the balls be the way they want them.
Kraft comes across as a real jerk here as well, which is surprising. His team cheated, not horrendously, but unambiguously and he ought to own up to it. So should Brady. Did Belichek know? Hard to believe he didn't, but no evidence he did, so he's in the clear.
I would suspend Brady for six games, and take say, 1st, 3rd, 5th, and 7th picks away from the Pats next draft. What will happen? Probably 2 games for Brady and nothing else, and Brady, Kraft, and Pats fans will scream about it.
And btw, I like the Pats, was pulling for them in the SuperBowl. But this is clear cheating and lying about it, and the league needs to do something clear about it.
Lots of evidence. What else do you need to hear? If you read some of the report, you would see there is lots of evidence. Just look at the text messages. How's this for evidence, McNally took the balls from the officials without their knowledge, against normal procedure, something the officials said had never happened to him before, and ducked into the bathroom with the balls. I don't know about you, but If I was going into the bathroom, I might leave 2 large mesh bags of balls outside. But anyway, the balls that were tested and approved by the officials suddenly lost between 1 and 2 psi? Circumstantial, yes, but add it all up and its clear What Brady had the guys do and then when confronted, lied about it. Its always the coverup that gets you.
I don't think the crime was that great, had he fessed up immediately, I think this would be long over with. Maybe he would have gotten a fine, but that probably would have been it. But now that the NFL spent a fortune on a 273 page report, and its obvious Brady Lied, they have to do something. Brady brought this on himself by not coming clean originally.
Ho hum, deflategate. Here's the summary of the report: It is slightly more likely than not that perhaps, just maybe, Tom Brady had a general sense that something like this might have been going on at some unknown time.
Tom Brady = Best QB in the history of the game. Two more rings on the way before he hangs them up. He'll be sure to use correctly inflated footballs for those victories, as he did in the second half vs. Indy last year.
Go Pats!
Tom Brady = Best QB in the history of the game. Two more rings on the way before he hangs them up. He'll be sure to use correctly inflated footballs for those victories, as he did in the second half vs. Indy last year.
Go Pats!
I might agree that Brady is the best ever. Hard to argue. But just because you are a Pats fans and admire him, doesn't mean you should forget that integrity means something in this world. THe crime was really no big deal, it was against the rules, and was cheating, but really, the coverup is what people have an issue with.
If this was Eli manning who did this in his superbowl wins against the pats, I think you might have a slightly different perspective.
CBSSports reporting that a one-year suspension for Brady is being considered, in large part because he refused to fully cooperate with the investigation. That might get some folks' attention.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...m-brady-could-be-suspended-for-up-to-one-year
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...m-brady-could-be-suspended-for-up-to-one-year
Sorry -- having trouble getting link to work in new system.
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