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You are dense. The scores against those 4 schools ( 20 % ) of their schedule was the reason they averaged 74 pets per game . Take those 4 out and you are now averaging around 69 per game. Don’t worry though you are losing 74 % of your scoring with Arella and the two transfers. You have to be a student since you just joined this board in January congrats.
Shame on me for responding to your posts all this time. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you just gave more proof of your ignorance with this post. Think a step further and realize what your talking about. I'll remind you, the topic was the offense's potency in recent seasons. Like I said , 87 and 84 against Md and Iowa, debunks any point that you are trying to make here. lol...Why don't we just take out all the 70+ pt games and use that avg? lol

I'll be sure not to respond to any of your posts, going forward. Since you think I'm dense, please don't waste your time responding to mine.
 
the program is light years away from the 98-2008 stretch of CVS...12 years, no sweet 16, 2 ncaa wins and I could imagine the record vs top 25 is something like 8-60 over that time

i mean you cannot say we are relevant at all the past decade and this program was even under Grentz
Where did I say anything about relevance? I said we remain in the top 20% of teams - about top 65, give or take. With most, but not quite all, of the Power 5 schools. At our best, the top 10% but certainly not every or most years in the last decade. That said, most fans on this board just don't seem to appreciate good basketball. Let me put it differently - do you all remember under Terry Shea when it looked like Rutgers football didn't know what sport they were playing (and the field was coming up in hunks on national TV). Well, you have yet to experience that - we did out here when we got season tix to Arizona WBB. Perspective says that Rutgers is no where near as bad as you think - even if not as good as you wish.

My converse argument is we were never better than about the 10th best team in the country when we were good by a huge number of metrics I looked at around that time. Folks seemed to think we were "elite". Sorry. Rutgers was my favorite team - by far - but they never showed that they could consistently compete for the final four. Not even at their best.
 
Congratulations you are now a delusional Rutgers fan who can not bring themselves to admit the WBB team was not what you believe it was .People who rank teams realized we were not a great team. Simple answer in the past 12 years how far and how many post season wins? How many conference championships or finishes in the top 5 of the B1G. How many women though highly recruited left the program . Listen I like Stringer so let your mind be at peace. She has however come to the point of it is time coach. Hobb’s does have a problem since I believe he said something along the line of “ when She says it’s time.” At the current levels she either changes more or hires a new staff. Not many schools in our conferences would allow this to continue but I do understand it goes beyond the actual can she still coach aspect. Good luck getting beyond the what we have come to see as the standard of play.
Ok, you’re right. Just talk down anyone who doesn’t agree with you about the statements you make. Go Bac where you came from before this thread.
 
Again ... we finished 3rd in the Big Ten. 9 wins in a row. Ran into a buzz saw against Iowa with Gabby Marshall playing the game of her life couldn’t miss from 3 and we still had a shot in the 4th. Then blew a 12 point lead in the NCAA. Games happen, but to call for your head coach after that kind of season? You’re all starting to sound like the men’s board. Or Tennessee fans, or Nebraska, or all these schools we make fun of for running off coaches because of a couple unfortunate results
 
The few times I watched, Johnson seemed like a special player. More highly skilled offensively than any other player on the team despite a lack of height. How that team interacted on the court, particularly TMack with others when she didn't like something, was always interesting and you wonder how it came across. Certainly tough love at best.

As someone else mentioned, for all the credentials our last recruiting class had, the team had little depth and the other freshman were not relied on much at all. It would not surprise me of there are others who enter the portal.
 
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Shame on me for responding to your posts all this time. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you just gave more proof of your ignorance with this post. Think a step further and realize what your talking about. I'll remind you, the topic was the offense's potency in recent seasons. Like I said , 87 and 84 against Md and Iowa, debunks any point that you are trying to make here. lol...Why don't we just take out all the 70+ pt games and use that avg? lol

I'll be sure not to respond to any of your posts, going forward. Since you think I'm dense, please don't waste your time responding to mine.
You debunk nothing and sorry you miss the point. It doesn’t matter how many they averaged per game.They once again went no place in the NCAA tournament because as much as you and some others believe they were this capable team they were not. This has been a CViv Stringer problem for sometime and if you can’t understand this fact then I suggest you look a bit further. Time has passed her by and though I respect her past and knowledge she also has stubbornly refused to change her thinking. That is why Rutgers is where it is in the women’s program stuck in a time warp. It’s not just some of us fans it’s her own players who evidently get disappointed.
 
Where did I say anything about relevance? I said we remain in the top 20% of teams - about top 65, give or take. With most, but not quite all, of the Power 5 schools. At our best, the top 10% but certainly not every or most years in the last decade. That said, most fans on this board just don't seem to appreciate good basketball. Let me put it differently - do you all remember under Terry Shea when it looked like Rutgers football didn't know what sport they were playing (and the field was coming up in hunks on national TV). Well, you have yet to experience that - we did out here when we got season tix to Arizona WBB. Perspective says that Rutgers is no where near as bad as you think - even if not as good as you wish.

My converse argument is we were never better than about the 10th best team in the country when we were good by a huge number of metrics I looked at around that time. Folks seemed to think we were "elite". Sorry. Rutgers was my favorite team - by far - but they never showed that they could consistently compete for the final four. Not even at their best.

I think we had a stretch where yes you could legit say RU was a Sweet 16 school every year..those days vanished
 
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Ok, you’re right. Just talk down anyone who doesn’t agree with you about the statements you make. Go Bac where you came from before this thread.
It has absolutely nothing to do with agree to disagree. We can agree on one thing though . We did not show up once again. Defend the women’s team all you want. Defend the coach and staff all you want. Rutgers fans make a mistake when it assumes it’s all good. Tell me this you believe they were a championship type team in 2021? The problem stems from the recruiting aspect. She recruits some potentially great players however the issue for awhile is matching her outdated style to their actual talents. Our coach has always been stubborn the same as her mentor and even her mentor held on to his style much too long and that is something you should understand.
 
cannot pinpoint it, she clearly underacheived with top classes...remember we had the fab 5 top recruiting class, we had April Sykes #2 player, I believe Monique Oliver was the #6 rated player in the country. CVS underacheived gigantically with talent like Laney, the players from Nj...Shakena Richardson, Syessence Davis...we had WNBA players like Hollivay and Copper, CVS couldnt get it done with Tyler Scaife on the roster...tons of transfers out. We had the top center in the country leave after floundering her freshmen year. The inability to recruit ponytails is enormous issue, yes better this year of course because Guirantes was an incredible player.
 
lets not even bring up the dreadful assistants....this isnt the staff from the 2000s era

Marianne Stanley was the best assistant CVS ever had. I think she really help with the game preparation. Jollette was pretty good too. Both have been gone for a long time!
 
Jolette failed miserably at Illinois as head coach, then went to Tennessee as an assistant and then to So Carolina as an assistant where she is now...losing her was a huge blow to the CVS regime. She likely is best as being an assistant.
 
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That period of 2003 to 2010 ish is the period I analyzed years ago. Rutgers came out in like 4 different ways of looking at it as about the 10th best team in the country. Behind (obviously) ND, UConn, Stanford, Duke, Tennessee (all obviously) and I honestly don't remember who else. And then, well, not so much.

As I mentioned elsewhere, some of the recruits over the years were good, not great - Vivian IS known for developing players for the WNBA. The Fab class was a disaster, this has been discussed ad-infinitum. They came for the wrong reason and were not prepared for having their style of play changed to fit the team style. And I have constantly heard through the extended grapevine of dissatisfaction in the locker room resulting in some of the transfers Rutgers have had.

I know I don't have the answer. As far as I am concerned, I am ok with Vivian coaching - I continue to want to make the NCAA's and have a shot at advancing. Part of the problem is that I don't think a new coach is likely to result in any rapid increase in performance to the "deep run" level. It doesn't "just happen". Arizona struck gold with Adia, Texas got a "known" in Vic - but looking across the conferences as many new coaches go down in flames as make it. And only a select few make it to high levels.
 
What makes you say we have dreadful assistants? They kept it together pretty well when CVS had to take her medical leave.
I was wondering that as well. As a long time "watcher" I feel like the offense is different than it has been in the past, and I can only assume that is one or more of the Assistant's doing.

They are experienced basketball folks. I see no reason to disrespect them at all.
 
I know a lot of comments have stated how well CVS has always been able to recruit at RU and all the top talent that she has had to work with. As has been explained before, she has been able to land some top recruits(Cappie most notably). But we cannot get it twisted and think that she has recruited with the same success as the Elite programs. Getting a top recruit every few years will not allow you to keep pace with the Elite programs. Our celebrated class from last year would be considered a down year for UConn. They are used to getting THE No.1 recruit, accompanied by No.2, No.3, damn-near every year. They should be in the finals every year.

I believe Jolette played a huge role in our recruiting back when she was here just as Nadine has done in recent years. The time in between saw our recruiting really lag behind. the outdated facilities didn't help. I'm sure Jolette is helping Dawn in that same capacity. As well as during her time in Tenn as an asst.
 
They're talking about Dawn already having 6 McDonalds AA and having 4 more coming next year. Our highly celebrated class of last year, who I am very grateful to have, consisted of only one McDonalds AA.

Some have commented about CVS like she has had that same level of talent. Not so, my friends.
 
They're talking about Dawn already having 6 McDonalds AA and having 4 more coming next year. Our highly celebrated class of last year, who I am very grateful to have, consisted of only one McDonalds AA.

Some have commented about CVS like she has had that same level of talent. Not so, my friends.
No sooner than I mention Jolette's recruiting, they talk about it on the broadcast
 
So now it’s we” don’t recruit the elites” like UConn. There was a time when we actually could play with Geno’s girls. Stinger recruited very well back then. Her last few classes were good maybe very good but her coaching philosophy has never changed. Can you understand she is responsible for recruiting and if you are criticizing her now that is on C Viv. We have had a number of potentially highly rated girls leave the program and that is the issue. We understand not every player fits in but she has chased away some pretty good players.
 
12 years..2 toutney wins..zero relevancy in women's hoops nationally

Its reality some refuse to admit

Her age is certainly a detriment
At some point in time, Rutgers will hire a young and energetic coach. If not next year, when? It feels like Ground Hog Day in WBB?
 
So now it’s we” don’t recruit the elites” like UConn. There was a time when we actually could play with Geno’s girls. Stinger recruited very well back then. Her last few classes were good maybe very good but her coaching philosophy has never changed. Can you understand she is responsible for recruiting and if you are criticizing her now that is on C Viv. We have had a number of potentially highly rated girls leave the program and that is the issue. We understand not every player fits in but she has chased away some pretty good players.
We could sneak a few wins from Geno's girls. It was the defense. The trick was that they couldn't duplicate it to practice against it. That's why one of Viv's assistants once commented that "we believe we have one win against Connecticut in us each year". We didn't always, but sometimes.

Vivian has had great recruits over the year, but I would not say she recruited a lot of the "elites" as you put it. UConn hasn't always gotten them either, but lately . . . I think this was a pretty good team this year.

I'll be blunt - I didn't see a lot of Rutgers games, but when I did I felt that Guirantes was constantly pressing and that's also what I thought hurt in the tourney games. I also was never impressed by the post play, although I saw glimpses of talent. Personally, I thought Johnson was the most impressive player.
 
My son just sent me a Tweet from Howard Megdal saying that Diamond is entering the transfer portal. Anyone know anything about this?
Wow, long time, no see on here
No Arella. No Diamond. No future.
Rutgers just may get shut out in a game or two next season.
Would Dawn Staley be successful at Rutgers and would she recruit similar players? Not sure her philosophy is Stringer’s way.
There is no way Staley would leave S. Carolina
Her last good Jersey recruits were Matee and Essence and they were from urban schools.
Don't forget Heather Zurich.
 
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cannot pinpoint it, she clearly underacheived with top classes...remember we had the fab 5 top recruiting class, we had April Sykes #2 player, I believe Monique Oliver was the #6 rated player in the country. CVS underacheived gigantically with talent like Laney, the players from Nj...Shakena Richardson, Syessence Davis...we had WNBA players like Hollivay and Copper, CVS couldnt get it done with Tyler Scaife on the roster...tons of transfers out. We had the top center in the country leave after floundering her freshmen year. The inability to recruit ponytails is enormous issue, yes better this year of course because Guirantes was an incredible player.
If I have to read your never ending bigoted remarks....
cannot pinpoint it, she clearly underacheived with top classes...remember we had the fab 5 top recruiting class, we had April Sykes #2 player, I believe Monique Oliver was the #6 rated player in the country. CVS underacheived gigantically with talent like Laney, the players from Nj...Shakena Richardson, Syessence Davis...we had WNBA players like Hollivay and Copper, CVS couldnt get it done with Tyler Scaife on the roster...tons of transfers out. We had the top center in the country leave after floundering her freshmen year. The inability to recruit ponytails is enormous issue, yes better this year of course because Guirantes was an incredible player.
"The inability to recruit ponytails is enormous issue." If I have to read your negative, bigoted remarks one more time.....
 
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We could sneak a few wins from Geno's girls. It was the defense. The trick was that they couldn't duplicate it to practice against it. That's why one of Viv's assistants once commented that "we believe we have one win against Connecticut in us each year". We didn't always, but sometimes.

Vivian has had great recruits over the year, but I would not say she recruited a lot of the "elites" as you put it. UConn hasn't always gotten them either, but lately . . . I think this was a pretty good team this year.

I'll be blunt - I didn't see a lot of Rutgers games, but when I did I felt that Guirantes was constantly pressing and that's also what I thought hurt in the tourney games. I also was never impressed by the post play, although I saw glimpses of talent. Personally, I thought Johnson was the most impressive player.
You make a lot of good points. RU-UConn back in early CVS-Rutgers era belonged to UConn for the most part. Although, when the talent was anywhere close to being equal, we were able to beat them. That just didn't happen too often because by that time, Geno had started to rack up the elite recruits(2 and 3 McDs AA per year) . He and Pat(Tenn) would split the best HS recruits each year, pretty much. They were the only two teams loaded up with future WNBA players. When we couldn't match that , they blew us out....like they did everyone else but Tenn and maybe Stanford. Tara has always been able to recruit some elites away from Geno.

Think about this, whenever Viv's had equal or close to equal talent, RU has won their share of big-time games, ....just not THE big one, unfortunately.

Agree with your comments on this years team. I've posted previously that Arella 's pursuit of Big 10 POY and AA Team seemed to be an extra burden that she placed on herself that affected the flow of the teams offense. It took away the organic flow that they exhibited for much of the season. I've said, a million times that she is going to regret that she didn't play through Diamond more. It would have been easier for her to achieve those goals. And T Mack scolding Diamond on TV wasn't a good look because Diamond, imo, may have had the highest Bball IQ on the team.

We haven't had an elite post since Kia V., to be honest. Hollivay had that kind of potential but the medical issue(eye) kept her from being great. Monique Oliver and Stashia Carey were pretty good, undersized bigs that held their own. Last year Jordan Wallace made huge strides but struggled against opposing elite bigs like Tyia did this year. We can't seem to get a game-ready, elite post recruit. Ours come in with potential to be elite but in need of a lot of work(e.g.-M.Davenport).
 
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You make a lot of good points. RU-UConn back in early CVS-Rutgers era belonged to UConn for the most part. Although, when the talent was anywhere close to being equal, we were able to beat them. That just didn't happen too often because by that time, Geno had started to rack up the elite recruits(2 and 3 McDs AA per year) . He and Pat(Tenn) would split the best HS recruits each year, pretty much. They were the only two teams loaded up with future WNBA players. When we couldn't match that , they blew us out....like they did everyone else but Tenn and maybe Stanford. Tara has always been able to recruit some elites away from Geno.

Think about this, whenever Viv's had equal or close to equal talent, RU has won their share of big-time games, ....just not THE big one, unfortunately.

Agree with your comments on this years team. I've posted previously that Arella 's pursuit of Big 10 POY and AA Team seemed to be an extra burden that she placed on herself that affected the flow of the teams offense. It took away the organic flow that they exhibited for much of the season. I've said, a million times that she is going to regret that she didn't play through Diamond more. It would have been easier for her to achieve those goals. And T Mack scolding Diamond on TV wasn't a good look because Diamond, imo, may have had the highest Bball IQ on the team.

We haven't had an elite post since Kia V., to be honest. Hollivay had that kind of potential but the medical issue(eye) kept her from being great. Monique Oliver and Stashia Carey were pretty good, undersized bigs that held their own. Last year Jordan Wallace made huge strides but struggled against opposing elite bigs like Tyia did this year. We can't seem to get a game-ready, elite post recruit. Ours come in with potential to be elite but in need of a lot of work(e.g.-M.Davenport).
Give us a Tammy Sutton Brown and we are good in the post.
 
Agree with your comments on this years team. I've posted previously that Arella 's pursuit of Big 10 POY and AA Team seemed to be an extra burden that she placed on herself that affected the flow of the teams offense. It took away the organic flow that they exhibited for much of the season. I've said, a million times that she is going to regret that she didn't play through Diamond more. It would have been easier for her to achieve those goals. And T Mack scolding Diamond on TV wasn't a good look because Diamond, imo, may have had the highest Bball IQ on the team.

If coming back this season to win BIG POTY and becoming an AA was on Arella's list of goals, maybe that is where a lot of the problems the team experienced started. Could be wrong, but that doesn't seem to promote a team atmosphere.
 
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If coming back this season to win BIG POTY and becoming an AA was on Arella's list of goals, maybe that is where a lot of the problems the team experienced started. Could be wrong, but that doesn't seem to promote a team atmosphere.
That's exactly the point I was making. I think it's okay for players to have those aspirations and to use them as motivation, but you have to go about achieving them in the team concept. Coaches have to take some blame here too.

As a coach, you want your star players to achieve those types of goals, not only for the player, but also for the good of the program. Yes, those achievements go a long way in marketing the program. I just think the approach was wrong. Yes, she should have gotten the most touches in our offense, but it didn't have to be in so many "iso ball" situations. It worked out many times, but the better teams knew how to frustrate her. My prior posts mention how an expanded use of Diamond's talents would have made it easier for her and the team during our moments of struggle offensively.

Perfect example of what I'm trying to say is Paige Bueckers. She played this season and let the game come to her. She wasn't the focal point of their offense, yet many times she made plays when it came her way. She, like Diamond, deferred to the upperclassmen. Some games she scored 11, 13, or 9 points....others she erupted for 32 or 35. She never felt pressure to get to 20 points every game to stay in the running for the awards. And look what it resulted in.
 
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Arella’s lack of speed in my opinion will hurt her in the pros. Too many times this year she would put her head down and was thwarted in her drive due to lack of speed
 
I can’t believe there are posters attempting to sugarcoat these (soon to be) losses. This would be a double kick to the nuts which WILL sting for a couple of years. PERIOD.
 
Arella’s lack of speed in my opinion will hurt her in the pros. Too many times this year she would put her head down and was thwarted in her drive due to lack of speed
Agreed, Arella is not a speedy player, but she is deceptively quick. To me, it appeared that whenever she was thwarted in her drive, it was because she was forcing the issue, trying to drive into the teeth of the defense.

You saw her start to realize that she would have to dish it when she drew a crowd. Her assists went up. Only problem is that she never really looked to kick it out. Everything was focused toward the basket; either she gets the shot or dumps down to Tyia or Tekia underneath. If the defense is packing it in, you have to make em pay on the perimeter. Those often were times when our shooting was not making them pay.
 
Nothing official, but saw a post on the Boneyard (UConn WBB) that Diamond may be headed to NC State.
 
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