Pony up or Shut Up

[rutgersal]

Your leaving out a key point that @Greene Rice FIG is bringing up.

The athletic department is the one spending other people's money.
They have zero interest in controlling their spending.
They already have a huge deficit and just basically 2x (3x?) the football staff salary in less than a year.
As you rightfully point out - increases have already occurred without the additonal "player revenue sharing" cost?

The coaching staffs are already part of "revenue sharing". Does the AD just absorb those costs or keep raising ticket prices?

So what makes you think the AD would just absorb player revenue sharing?
They will keep all their current spending and pass the cost onto the fans through increases.
Because they prey on fans through "well you went here for a couple years so have an obligation to pay extra and keep funding our reckless spending."

Our spending is competitive with what our peers are spending. Everyone was for joining the Big Ten. How could you think we could join the Big Ten and not spend competitively? It’s the cost of doing business. Are you going to tell Schiano that he can’t use the helicopter and should use Uber instead? Come on, Man!

We have a revenue problem, not a spending problem.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Our spending is competitive with what our peers are spending. Everyone was for joining the Big Ten. How could you think we could join the Big Ten and not spend competitively? It’s the cost of doing business. Are you going to tell Schiano that he can’t use the helicopter and should use Uber instead? Come on, Man!

We have a revenue problem, not a spending problem.

It might not be a bad idea for optics.

You know and I know the amount that NJ indirectly spend on athletics is a ridiculous small amount of the total NJ budget. That doesn't mean when it comes down to picking a governor in November lowering taxes and cutting spending is going to be THE ISSUE. Having the highest paid state employee flying around in helicopters isn't the best look.

 

[365Poster24Seven]

It might not be a bad idea for optics.

You know and I know the amount that NJ indirectly spend on athletics is a ridiculous small amount of the total NJ budget. That doesn't mean when it comes down to picking a governor in November lowering taxes and cutting spending is going to be THE ISSUE. Having the highest paid state employee flying around in helicopters isn't the best look.

Other coaches do it in private jets paid for by alumni and fans. If it was up to us Schiano and Pike would be using a NJ Transit bus to go recruit and this fanbase wants the 4 and 5 stars LMFAO.

 

[rutgersal]

Al youve made some incredible stupid points in this thread

1) with revenue share next starting in july, where the fvck do you think the revenue is generates from? The fans.

2) we had one of the most expensive rosters in the big ten this year. Money wasnt the issue, coaching was.

Sorry. But you’re the one who is misinformed. Livvy Dunne and others have filed objections to the NCAA settlement. In all, there are 12 objections.

Judge weighs NCAA's $2.8B deal amid objections

Over a dozen objections were filed against the nearly $2.8 billion NCAA antitrust settlement ahead of Friday's deadline. A hearing for the the settlement has been scheduled for April 7.

www.espn.com

So Revenue sharing is up in the air, and may not be implemented for next year. The judge will decide whether to accept the settlement as is, revise it, or push for a trial. There is a hearing scheduled for April 7th.

Transfer Portal/Free agency starts March 23rd. That’s a little more than a month.

NIL is the only tool to attract transfers, for now.

Now as far as coaching being the problem, the reason coaching is the problem is because the transfers aren’t contributing much, if anything. In sharp contrast to Marylands transfers, who are contributing a lot. If that doesn’t illuminate the discrepancy for you, then nothing will.

 

[rutgersal]

Al, let’s also be honest. Id be shocked if you donate more than $1,000/yr to nil.

This year I’m going to give 1,000 to Football NIL and 1,000 to basketball NIL. Hopefully that’s good enough for you, and hope you can at least match or do better.

 

[rutgersal]

It might not be a bad idea for optics.

You know and I know the amount that NJ indirectly spend on athletics is a ridiculous small amount of the total NJ budget. That doesn't mean when it comes down to picking a governor in November lowering taxes and cutting spending is going to be THE ISSUE. Having the highest paid state employee flying around in helicopters isn't the best look.

He has to be efficient with his time, and he has to spend more effort recruiting because we lack amenities that other schools offer, like a top notch Football Fieldhouse.

Thankfully, Rutgers probably won’t raise much interest as a campaign issue, because there are bigger issues.

 

[seansherm]

Yes, all true. I have partial tickets and they themselves are pretty expensive. But a portion of the ticket price goes towards paying for players salaries.

College is the same thing, but college tickets are much cheaper, if you compare with what the pros charge, even if you kick in 1000 for players salaries via the collective. And yes, you don’t know what you’re paying for, but you trust the coach will make the right Decisions. It is pay for play. But that’s how the game is played these days. We have to play the game the way things are, and not how we want them to be.

We just disagree on your last sentence. We DON"T have to play the game the way things are. It's not that important to me. I'll never directly pay kids to play college sports. I was 100% for real NIL. I'm 100% against pay for play in college personally, but I'd never tell someone else what to do with their $.

If RU has enough fans that it is important to, then it will be OK. My assumption is it will be like it's always been, a bottom 1/3rd, mediocre athletic department overall.

 

[rutgersal]

We just disagree on your last sentence. We DON"T have to play the game the way things are. It's not that important to me. I'll never directly pay kids to play college sports. I was 100% for real NIL. I'm 100% against pay for play in college personally, but I'd never tell someone else what to do with their $.

If RU has enough fans that it is important to, then it will be OK. My assumption is it will be like it's always been, a bottom 1/3rd, mediocre athletic department overall.

Fair enough. I hope we will prove you wrong, but based on what I’ve seen, you’re probably right.

Obviously, we have to play the game the way things are, if we want to win. Some, like you, may choose to tap out, and that is their prerogative.

 

[ru66]

We just disagree on your last sentence. We DON"T have to play the game the way things are. It's not that important to me. I'll never directly pay kids to play college sports. I was 100% for real NIL. I'm 100% against pay for play in college personally, but I'd never tell someone else what to do with their $.

If RU has enough fans that it is important to, then it will be OK. My assumption is it will be like it's always been, a bottom 1/3rd, mediocre athletic department overall.

Anyone who wants to change our name to NJU can't be a Rutgers grad --did you graduate Ru?

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

He has to be efficient with his time, and he has to spend more effort recruiting because we lack amenities that other schools offer, like a top notch Football Fieldhouse.

Thankfully, Rutgers probably won’t raise much interest as a campaign issue, because there are bigger issues.

I wouldnt be so sure

 

[seansherm]

Anyone who wants to change our name to NJU can't be a Rutgers grad --did you graduate Ru?

No, I didn't (my sister is RU), and I was joking about that, but do wonder if it would be better for the school long term

 

[rutgersal]

I wouldnt be so sure

All we can do is hope 🤞

 

[KK1827]

This year I’m going to give 1,000 to Football NIL and 1,000 to basketball NIL. Hopefully that’s good enough for you, and hope you can at least match or do better.

I spend more on football tix and parking alone. Didnt you say you dont buy football season tix because you can get cheaper on stubhub?

 

[rutgersal]

I spend more on football tix and parking alone. Didnt you say you dont buy football season tix because you can get cheaper on stubhub?

Xcellent! So you can double what I give! I knew I could count on you! We Need the Rutgers BigShots like you to step up, because there is no one else.

I’ve had my Rutgers Tickets on the 50 yard line for 10 years. You’re confusing me with someone else.

 

[RUBlackout]

Thank you for your generosity. But this is where you’re wrong.

Without sufficient NIL resources, the team won’t be able to compete, period. The teams that we compete against are fully funding their NIL, and you can see that in the quality of the transfers. There’s a reason why Maryland’s transfers poured in >50 pts and ours scored a hell of a lot less. The root cause is our fanbase just doesn’t care enough to provide support that will enable us to recruit better players. You can see that in the quality of our transfers.

Yet the same 🤡’s that will write a 3 page soliloquy about how the team sucks ***, the coach sucks *** , and everything sucks ***, will be the same ones that brag that they don’t donate. That’s what you call irony.

You are wrong. You are essentially we need better players to compete. Last I looked we have two top 5 picks in the NBA draft and a record that reflects the bottom third of our league.
What makes anyone think these coaches can do more with better talent?
Pike and Schiano have both had talent on their teams—some will say they developed them—some will say their talent overcame bad coaching. It’s a chicken and the egg scenario sometimes.
I don’t see either coach doing more with better talent. Talent didn’t lose the Illinois game in football. Talent didn’t lose the game against Kennesaw state.

I’m willing to bet Yes, he will know what to do with them. I hope we find out.

You are guessing at best on this. We had a generational talent in Ray Rice and didn’t make a NYE bowl.
We have generational talent in Ace/Dylan may not even make our own conference tourney.
We can argue about the surrounding talent but we have proven we can play with anyone and even win. Coaching has screwed us.

 

[Lawboy]

Al youve made some incredible stupid points in this thread

1) with revenue share next starting in july, where the fvck do you think the revenue is generates from? The fans.

2) we had one of the most expensive rosters in the big ten this year. Money wasnt the issue, coaching was.

 

[Lawboy]

Kennesaw was a disaster as Ace tried to show off in Georgia and nullified the work the other guys put in. Pike should have pulled in in the first half and read the riot act to him, Thst was one problem but not the major problem. Dylan hurting his leg twice easily cost us 4-6 games. I was surprised that he was not booted immediately to help healing. The team physician should be changed or an orthopod should also be on staff, Look at the slo motion of the PSU game injury and see what you think. It looked nasty maybe an undetected hairline.

 

[ruinac]

Kennesaw was a disaster as Ace tried to show off in Georgia and nullified the work the other guys put in. Pike should have pulled in in the first half and read the riot act to him, Thst was one problem but not the major problem. Dylan hurting his leg twice easily cost us 4-6 games. I was surprised that he was not booted immediately to help healing. The team physician should be changed or an orthopod should also be on staff, Look at the slo motion of the PSU game injury and see what you think. It looked nasty maybe an undetected hairline.

I doubt that a projected lottery pick, and son of a NBAer, would ever be on the court for a .500 team and taking the risk of aggravating such an injury.

 

[angmo]

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Who donates to pro sports? Laughable concept.

 

[NickRU714]

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Who donates to pro sports? Laughable concept.

Don't let AD hear you.

The entite college athletic model is based on fans being forced to "donate" to sports that have billion dollar media deals.

 

[Shimmy24]

Hey y’all, been a long minute but Terps fan here. Feel like I need to make an important distinction from the OP here — all three of those guys mentioned have been integral in MD’s success this year, but none of them commanded some crazy NIL deal. In fact, this is way more a product of strong scouting and roster construction than it is offering the most NIL.

- Gillespie was the “big one” and the most coveted, but even his NIL deal was reported at 375k/year when he signed. Not cheap by any means, and also not the most expensive by any means.
- Rice averaged 7.7 ppg in 8 games his freshman year and hadn’t played a competitive basketball game since literally March of 2023 when he committed to MD.
- Miguel was a later portal addition and chose MD over the likes of Ole Miss and Villanova to name two, both who have noticeably deeper NIL pockets than Maryland does.

TL;DR — of course NIL mattered for the Maryland shooters, but by no means did they have to break the bank for them.

 

[Shelby65]

It’s a gray area. NIL doners who watch that game last night had to thinking what a waste of money.

doners ? who watch that game ? had to thinking ? You have the new world record. Let me guess, you're in favor of the elimination of the Dept. of Education. Am I right ?

 

[Shelby65]

Our spending is competitive with what our peers are spending. Everyone was for joining the Big Ten. How could you think we could join the Big Ten and not spend competitively? It’s the cost of doing business. Are you going to tell Schiano that he can’t use the helicopter and should use Uber instead? Come on, Man!

We have a revenue problem, not a spending problem.

Adonis Al....maybe the university should hang a 20x20 picture of a gleaming fieldhouse in the back of JMA and hopefully trick recruits into thinking we have one ? Have you thought of that ?

And yea...go out tomorrow and buy three Lambos, one for each of your imaginary gfs, or bfs, or favorite farm species you fantasize about. That wouldn't be a spending problem ?

 

[kupuna133]

Hey y’all, been a long minute but Terps fan here. Feel like I need to make an important distinction from the OP here — all three of those guys mentioned have been integral in MD’s success this year, but none of them commanded some crazy NIL deal. In fact, this is way more a product of strong scouting and roster construction than it is offering the most NIL.

- Gillespie was the “big one” and the most coveted, but even his NIL deal was reported at 375k/year when he signed. Not cheap by any means, and also not the most expensive by any means.
- Rice averaged 7.7 ppg in 8 games his freshman year and hadn’t played a competitive basketball game since literally March of 2023 when he committed to MD.
- Miguel was a later portal addition and chose MD over the likes of Ole Miss and Villanova to name two, both who have noticeably deeper NIL pockets than Maryland does.

TL;DR — of course NIL mattered for the Maryland shooters, but by no means did they have to break the bank for them.

Shhhh don't let facts get in the way. The state of the program has very little to do with NIL spending. It has to do with duplicative talent. PJ, Dercack and Acuff have very similar skill sets and abilities. Taking one or two I get it. Taking all 3 has proven to be a fatal mistake.

 

[MrsScrew]

I'm team ShutUp.

 

[ru66]

I spend more on football tix and parking alone. Didnt you say you dont buy football season tix because you can get cheaper on stubhub?

Solution for kk----don't go to games, don't ,as usual, donate to RU and stop being a trolling fake fan-- who needs you--- you just love to hate RU. Root for whoever you're really a fan

 

[fatsam98]

Hey y’all, been a long minute but Terps fan here. Feel like I need to make an important distinction from the OP here — all three of those guys mentioned have been integral in MD’s success this year, but none of them commanded some crazy NIL deal. In fact, this is way more a product of strong scouting and roster construction than it is offering the most NIL.

- Gillespie was the “big one” and the most coveted, but even his NIL deal was reported at 375k/year when he signed. Not cheap by any means, and also not the most expensive by any means.
- Rice averaged 7.7 ppg in 8 games his freshman year and hadn’t played a competitive basketball game since literally March of 2023 when he committed to MD.
- Miguel was a later portal addition and chose MD over the likes of Ole Miss and Villanova to name two, both who have noticeably deeper NIL pockets than Maryland does.

TL;DR — of course NIL mattered for the Maryland shooters, but by no means did they have to break the bank for them.

Al's not gonna like this post.

 

[Southern Gentleman]

1000 people donating 1000 makes a big difference. That’s what we need.

And a field house?

 

[angmo]

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Don't let AD hear you.

The entite college athletic model is based on fans being forced to "donate" to sports that have billion dollar media deals.

Blaming fans for their crap products has worked so well in Hollywood.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Maybe next year we can afford to get three of the top 5 freshmen in the country ... and then we totally won't finish last in the conference.

Yay!!!

*fart noise*

 

[RU_03]

This season is the epitome of all things Rutgers. We finally get a unreal recruiting class (of freshman), when it matters the least. The extra covid year + NIL pay for play has really made freshman recruiting not as important as it used to be as it pertains to winning and making it far in the tourney. Both Ace and Dylan are no doubt talented, but that doesn't mean they don't make freshman mistakes. Look no further than the Kentucky Calipari teams that were even more talented with consecutive top 5/10 recruiting classes with one and done's and 1st weekend exits from the tourney.

I don't think Pike is a horrible coach, but he isn't elite either. He needs to make adjustments in how he recruits in this new NIL era and all the uncertainty around it to really get Rutgers over the hump. Can he do it? We'll see as we're not getting rid of him with the years left on his contract.

 

[rutgersal]

You are wrong. You are essentially we need better players to compete. Last I looked we have two top 5 picks in the NBA draft and a record that reflects the bottom third of our league.
What makes anyone think these coaches can do more with better talent?
Pike and Schiano have both had talent on their teams—some will say they developed them—some will say their talent overcame bad coaching. It’s a chicken and the egg scenario sometimes.
I don’t see either coach doing more with better talent. Talent didn’t lose the Illinois game in football. Talent didn’t lose the game against Kennesaw state.

You are guessing at best on this. We had a generational talent in Ray Rice and didn’t make a NYE bowl.
We have generational talent in Ace/Dylan may not even make our own conference tourney.
We can argue about the surrounding talent but we have proven we can play with anyone and even win. Coaching has screwed us.

Our two freshmen can’t do everything, and Harper hasn’t played the whole season due to illness and injury. absolutely we need better players to compete. What if we had kept Cliff like we should have had. What if we had a shooter like Miguel of Maryland. We’d be making tournament plans, not arguing whether Pike should be canned.

As for the Ray Rice teams, we had the talent to be successful, but just didn’t execute well enough to make a New Years bowl. In contrast, this year’s basketball team lacks talent.

 

[rutgersal]

This season is the epitome of all things Rutgers. We finally get a unreal recruiting class (of freshman), when it matters the least. The extra covid year + NIL pay for play has really made freshman recruiting not as important as it used to be as it pertains to winning and making it far in the tourney. Both Ace and Dylan are no doubt talented, but that doesn't mean they don't make freshman mistakes. Look no further than the Kentucky Calipari teams that were even more talented with consecutive top 5/10 recruiting classes with one and done's and 1st weekend exits from the tourney.

I don't think Pike is a horrible coach, but he isn't elite either. He needs to make adjustments in how he recruits in this new NIL era and all the uncertainty around it to really get Rutgers over the hump. Can he do it? We'll see as we're not getting rid of him with the years left on his contract.

We got ace and dylan but we didn’t get anyone else who can consistently contribute. Latham and Grant are freshmen who are acclimating. The transfers for the most part have been busts.

Pike needs money to make the adjustments you wanted to see. Without money, we are unlikely to see the success we desire. Luck isn’t a viable strategy, and that is essentially what we are depending on when we take lower level kids and hope their ability will scale to this level.

could have made all the adjustments you wanted to see and we still wouldn’t have won enough because there isn’t enough talent.

 

[rutgersal]

Hey y’all, been a long minute but Terps fan here. Feel like I need to make an important distinction from the OP here — all three of those guys mentioned have been integral in MD’s success this year, but none of them commanded some crazy NIL deal. In fact, this is way more a product of strong scouting and roster construction than it is offering the most NIL.

- Gillespie was the “big one” and the most coveted, but even his NIL deal was reported at 375k/year when he signed. Not cheap by any means, and also not the most expensive by any means.
- Rice averaged 7.7 ppg in 8 games his freshman year and hadn’t played a competitive basketball game since literally March of 2023 when he committed to MD.
- Miguel was a later portal addition and chose MD over the likes of Ole Miss and Villanova to name two, both who have noticeably deeper NIL pockets than Maryland does.

TL;DR — of course NIL mattered for the Maryland shooters, but by no means did they have to break the bank for them.

Cliff was the most we’ve ever paid and he got $200K, as far as I know. Alabama paid him $1M only for him to play a reduced role.

We needed a Gillespie but just didn’t have the resources to land someone like him. The transfers that yall brought in were astute additions. Not looking to break the bank. Just trying to raise enough to be competitive. Right now we don’t have enough to be competitive, and that needs to change, if we want to be competitive.

 

[The RUT]

Does vice TV have a St. John’s connection or is this just a HC getting creative?

 

[Mholinko]

at the end of the day any contributor or someone on this thread that posts day after day after day criticizing the players, culture, coach, scheme, etc etc and donates exactly $0.00 to the athletics programs has zero credibility or respect... its the boy who cried wolf theory

you should not be allowed to come on here and stomp your feet for changes to be made but wipe your hands clean while other people help give you a product you can tolerate

the old guard and outdated fans who have had their seats and "loyalty" to rutgers where they think its 1976 still are the ones who are complaining the loudest and doing the least

 

[needmorecowbell]

Get a life bro.

I’m fairly confident that Geo has done far more for this university and athletic department than you ever will.

💯 total loser

 

[needmorecowbell]

This is a business now. I do not pay for the Yankees salaries. And no I will not shut up if I don't donate. This is what they wanted. Let them figure it out.

Who do you want to figure it out?

 

[bac2therac]

This year, Dylan Harper and Ace Bailey. Next year, well let’s wait and see if we really play in it.

are you saying that they are the only ones who made money from the Vegas tourney...if true..wow

 

[rutgersal]

I talk to many investors who tell me that when they invest they critically look at the vision of for the company and the confidence in the management team to execute on that vision to ultimately generate ROI. Here, not seeing a vision and definitely do not have confidence in this management team. I'll pass.

Just curious, would you support NIL with different management?

Yahoo also similarly took a critical look at Google and chose not to invest, to their detriment. Here the stakes aren’t as high, but without support, it is going to be difficult for the team to see success.

Without adequate support, Pikiell won’t generate ROI and neither will anyone else. He clearly stated his vision to Rutgers Magazine a few years ago.

We want to go to the tournament every year and we have for the last three years, and we expect to go this year. Once you get to the tournament, you can compete for a national championship. We don’t spend that much time on the past; I know the team history about not making tournaments. What we know is the last three years we played in the best league in the country, we’ve gone to the tournament, and we expect to go this year. That’s where our program is and that is where our guys feel we should be. We want to practice like national champs and play games like that. We’re trying to be national champs. We have that expectation. That’s what we talk about.

So there you go, the vision is to get to the tournament and then ultimately challenge for the National Championship.

Pikiell deserves the benefit of the doubt because he took Rutgers to three straight National Championships, after Rutgers hadn’t been to the dance in 30 years. He built his tournament teams from scratch. He did it once, he can do it again.

The only reason he missed the tournament the past two years, is he hasn’t been able to retain and land the players needed to be successful, due to lack of NIL. Losing Paul and Cam was a disgrace. Roughly $500K likely keeps Paul and Cam. And gets us to the tournament. Instead Cam helps UConn win a National Championship and Paul wastes his time in the Northwest. Yet we couldn’t raise it. Losing Cliff was a disgrace. And there is a fair chance that Cliff will help Alabama challenge for a National Championship this year, and perhaps even win it. Had we kept Cliff, we would have had a fair chance at the tournament this year. This seems to be an ongoing trend, losing transfers that help other teams either win or challenge for National Championships.

And it’s sad, because it didn’t have to be this way. It’s only this way because the fanbase doesn’t care enough to support the programs, unlike the fans at UConn, an especially our Big Ten peers.

Next year we have a fair chance to make the tournament, as long as we bring in the right players. We return:

G - Davis
F - Dortch
F - Grant
C - Ogbole
C - Somerville

Incoming freshmen include:

F - Chris Nwuli
G - Lino Mark
G - Kaden Powers
F - Gevonte Ware

Priority #1 has to be to keep Somerville. Then we’ll be needing a pair of transfer guards to say the least.