Interesting article.
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...g_schiano_rutgers_coach_kyle_flood_welco.html
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...g_schiano_rutgers_coach_kyle_flood_welco.html
Unlike Greg Schiano, Rutgers coach Kyle Flood welcomes NFL scouts at practice
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There's certain things you hear about Schiano and wonder if he had some kind of disorder or something...lol
I'll tell you something about G.S., before he came to RU, we (the fans)
use to sit at every practice for years. I use to sit with Nate Leonard's
parents, and the subject to their older son came up' I would ask about
Brian and they would just smile. Then I met him when he could make the practices.
\Shea had him in the bag, but most people believe Schiano brought
him in).
Any way, Schiano's first year he took a big yellow rope and tied it around 4 trees,
and made us stand far away in his coral like a bunch of cattle. The next year
he disallowed any fans to be there at all. He said he was going to win
a championship in 5 years, and felt fans were just a nuisance. So while everyone
at the Star Ledger and this board thought we had the second coming of Christ,
I never got one the band wagon after being treated that way.
By the way inside of this coral is were I met the guy that runs this board.
use to sit at every practice for years. I use to sit with Nate Leonard's
parents, and the subject to their older son came up' I would ask about
Brian and they would just smile. Then I met him when he could make the practices.
\Shea had him in the bag, but most people believe Schiano brought
him in).
Any way, Schiano's first year he took a big yellow rope and tied it around 4 trees,
and made us stand far away in his coral like a bunch of cattle. The next year
he disallowed any fans to be there at all. He said he was going to win
a championship in 5 years, and felt fans were just a nuisance. So while everyone
at the Star Ledger and this board thought we had the second coming of Christ,
I never got one the band wagon after being treated that way.
By the way inside of this coral is were I met the guy that runs this board.
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I'll tell you something about GS too.
He took the laughing stock of college football and had them winning bowl games and later invited to join the B1G.
I am a huge fan of Kyle Flood. That doesn't mean we should forget what GS did for us.
He took the laughing stock of college football and had them winning bowl games and later invited to join the B1G.
I am a huge fan of Kyle Flood. That doesn't mean we should forget what GS did for us.
I can't believe a these ungrateful so called RU fans. All of us would not be on this board day in and day out talking up RU football if it weren't for GS. Learn your history and try to respect our program.
True. But it is things like this that should allow us to realize that Schiano's ceiling here wasn't as high as we hoped it was.
Perhaps stepping away from RU allows him to one day attain the goals he failed to accomplish at RU.
Schiano needed to change the culture and part of that was not allowing total access to the "program" for the average fan. You want to be invited to practice "pay me" the program. You want to meet with the players "pay me" the program. Sorry to say if he didn't come along we would still be talking about going to bowl games rather than going to bowl games. The culture at Rutgers was that bad.
Schiano was a control freak , but he's seemed to have learned . He built the program from scratch, a monumental task ( w lots of help from Mulcahy). He deserves big recognition.
"In an extensive feature with the MMQB last November, Schiano said one of the most drastic changes he'll make if he gets another college coaching job will be better treatment of NFL scouts."
"In an extensive feature with the MMQB last November, Schiano said one of the most drastic changes he'll make if he gets another college coaching job will be better treatment of NFL scouts."
Bob M. was the one that changed RU, he would have done it with or without Schiano.
Most people don't know or want to remember all the things he did to correct the era of
Freddy G.
I am a huge GS fan, some would say to a fault, and would argue long and hard he is the most responsible person for RU getting the B1G invite. But he had his quirks. I don't see any upside to him banning NFL guys access to his players at practices. Of course, they probably were not interested in watching these practices until he upgraded the talent level. I guess at the end of the day, his record of getting guys to the NFL is extremely strong, especially given he was not working with 4 and 5 star guys. But Flood seems to be taking a more adult approach to this subject.
Yes Schiano was a control freak. Exactly what and who we needed.
That anyone can look at what he accomplished here and come away talking about "the goals he failed to accomplish" just astounds me. If you set your sights high enough, you will always have goals you failed to achieve. That does not mean you weren't successful.
That anyone can look at what he accomplished here and come away talking about "the goals he failed to accomplish" just astounds me. If you set your sights high enough, you will always have goals you failed to achieve. That does not mean you weren't successful.
I've said this before, but it's worth repeating.
Greg Schiano did a 100% terrific job of building the Rutgers football program.
The guy is also a Grade-A asshole.
Those two things are not mutually exclusive. People need to be able to get their heads around that.
Greg Schiano did a 100% terrific job of building the Rutgers football program.
The guy is also a Grade-A asshole.
Those two things are not mutually exclusive. People need to be able to get their heads around that.
I started going to Rutgers games back in 2003 when I could get a seat for $12 but thanks to Schiano, the ticket price skyrocketed to 50-$100 a game with outrageous parking prices and a full stadium. Thanks again Schiano for making it tougher to attend a game.
Mulcahy agreed changed the culture. Gruninger was a patriot league AD at best. Mulcahy saw the big picture. Again I would rather have less access to a winning program than total access to a losing program. Some people just do not understand.
Nobody goes there any more. It's too crowded.
Ask Eric LeGrand and his family if Greg Schiano is
Ask Eric LeGrand and his family if Greg Schiano is a grade A asshole.
Does an asshole stay in a players hospital room all night for weeks on end?
Does an asshole help support the family with morale and financial support?
Ask Ray Rice if Schiano is an asshole?
He has been speaking with working with Ray ever since the his trouble startard.
Wouldn't as asshole just ignore someone who can't help him any more instead of bending over backwards to attempt to help him in life?
You might want to really think about who a person really is before you call them an asshole.
Really?
Ask Eric LeGrand and his family if Greg Schiano is a grade A asshole.
Does an asshole stay in a players hospital room all night for weeks on end?
Does an asshole help support the family with morale and financial support?
Ask Ray Rice if Schiano is an asshole?
He has been speaking with working with Ray ever since the his trouble startard.
Wouldn't as asshole just ignore someone who can't help him any more instead of bending over backwards to attempt to help him in life?
You might want to really think about who a person really is before you call them an asshole.
Wasn't he at the hospital when couple of the players from Paterson got injured in a car accident earlier in his career?
Disagree, Bob knew we had to invest to improve the athletic department. Greg knew how. Look at Bob's MBB hires and too early contract extensions, not much success there.
When Greg interviewed for the job he had a list of 30 things that he needed in order to take the job. He not Bob knew what was needed.
This is the thread in a nutshell. I think you needed the Grade A ahole to shake the cobwebs off Rutgers admin and get things done at the time. I'm not sure if he could have taken things further than he did. We'll never know.
I would imagine this is true with many who have to completely rebuild an organization from the bottom up. You're going to piss a lot of people off.
You could fill this board with stories of the wonderful things Schiano did on and off the field and probably have just as many stories about him being a douche. Interesting personality.
Yes, the Venn diagram of folks that make big changes and are successful and had jerk tendencies has lots of overlap. Think of the many utter tools that have been very successful. I won't bother listing examples. Sure there are examples of well loved people succeeding also, but there is often an edge somewhere.
Nobody is perfect. Let is go.
Flood is the coach now. Support him. Hopefully we can make some waves this year and have a winning conference record.
Flood is the coach now. Support him. Hopefully we can make some waves this year and have a winning conference record.
And, I'll tell you another thing about Greg Schiano. The guy eats babies!
Schiano, at that time, was a man who was singularly focused. And, that is the perfect personality for a program builder. In the interviews and articles written on him since, he really seems to have mellowed and taken a broader, and more open, approach to his leadership style. That wouldn't be good for what we needed then.
Schiano, at that time, was a man who was singularly focused. And, that is the perfect personality for a program builder. In the interviews and articles written on him since, he really seems to have mellowed and taken a broader, and more open, approach to his leadership style. That wouldn't be good for what we needed then.
Perfect example would be Steve Jobs. A hole at work and as a person. Even when he was making millions, his daughter mother was on welfare because he didn't want the responsiblity.
Here is my take on the GS thing. For Greg Schiano's first 6 seasons as head coach of RU football he was 100% exactly what this program needed and I am eternally grateful for the work he put in and the outcome we had. He needed to foster a culture change and unfortunately this was going to be uncomfortable for a lot of people in the athletic department as well as the die-hard fans who had remained loyal and stuck by the program since our days as an eastern independent. I completely understand why he did what he did and how he went about doing it. That said, his last 5 years here? I honestly could take him or leave him. Not saying he was bad, but he wasn't great either. Even had he stayed on and been the head coach when we (finally) won the Big East title in 2012, which we may have even won outright since he had no more WVU to contend with, I still think he had run his course here. Yes he'd make the big splashes in recruiting by bringing in kids with good offer lists and exciting measureables thus making him a fan favorite during the off-season, but there always seemed to be gaping holes in certain position groups on the roster and major coaching deficiencies on game day. You would think he would have figured out after being a head coach for quite some time how to rectify these issues but they always seemed to manifest themselves (Cincinnati 2009, WVU and UCONN in 2011...and those are the tip of the iceberg). Around the end of the 2004 season I was one of the loudest yelling at the time that he needed more than the usual 4 years to turn this thing around, even got on the air with Francesa and Russo and debated this point with them, to which Mike said "why should he get more time when every other coach gets 4 years?" Well, WE all knew he needed more time because we were a D-1AA caliber program masquerading as a Big East football team when he got hired. Luckily he got extended and we got 2005 and 2006 where he won some of the biggest ball games in our long history. However, that wound up being his apex as a coach. Just my opinion, but I think GS's stubborness and unwillingness to trust his assistants to coach is why he never got this program over the hump which by his own standards was to win a championship here within his first ten years (the amount of time RU was in the Big East before he got there). Again, I am eternally grateful for the turnaround of the program that he orchestrated in the pseudo-athletic director type of role he played, however, I'm baffled at some of the unwavering loyalty shown to him by people on here as he was an average head football coach at best.
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As I recall, back before GS started we were getting very detailed practice reports on a regular (daily?) basis from fans of the program who attended practice. While this was great for those of us following the program from afar, it probably also gave our competition some inside information. As a result, programs that allowed open access were putting themselves at a competitive disadvantage. Bottom line, Greg needed to tighten the reins. I have no problem with what Greg did, it was the right decision at the time (although he clearly could have been nicer to NFL scouts). What Flood is doing shows the program has matured and he understands where we can loosen things up a bit.
Mulcahy was the AD to chart Rutgers path to respectability, but he wasn't the only reason RU FB became a respected program .
Bob didn't have Schiano down as his first choice and Greg had reservations over taking the RU HC position .
Schiano had a list of demands that he expected to be addressed before he accepted Mulcahy's offer to be the new RU FB HC
Bob Mulcahy agreed to what Greg Schiano asked for and Schiano became the HC credited with turning a progran that was considered one of the worst into a FB program that gained national respect because with Bob Mulcahy's help Rutgers did what was necessary to make it a winning program.
Those saying it was all Mulcahy are wrong, those just crediting Schiano for RU FB becoming a winner are just as wrong, it was a combination of Schiano knowing what was needed to make RU a winner and Mulcahy acting to put what was needed in place.
As for another HC being able to make RU a winner with the same backing Schiano received, since I haven't heard of anyone on Mulcahy's radar when Schiano was a candidate for RU FB HC position having a list that had to be agreed to before accepting the job, no proof that they would fight for what was needed or even tried to get Mulcahy to agree to fund the improvements that were necessary to build a winner.
Same with the HCs before Greg, no one knows how hard they fought FG to fund RU FB properly.
So to say they would have succeeded with the same type of help Bob gave Greg, is just guessing that they were fighting for the improvements Schiano obtained and demanded the improvements be addressed before taking the RU FB HC position.
Every good coach still has things he could work on. This just happens to be one of Gregs and he admits it also. Belichic is seen as one of the best coaches in the NFL yet he sure can work on thinks (personality with the media comes to mind).
Still what Greg Schiano did for this program bringing us from the bottom to respectability will never be matched (until we win the National Championship of corse)
Still what Greg Schiano did for this program bringing us from the bottom to respectability will never be matched (until we win the National Championship of corse)
BK, Great Post! It was a combination of things that came together that allowed RU football to succeed. First was the hiring of Mulcahy, second was the hiring of GS. At the time of GS's hiring there was a lot of rancor regarding over this. There were many, who thought we needed a "proven" coach. A lot of Bric bats were spent over this issue. From Mulcahy's POV Hiring GS was a great deal. It was a low risk high reward hire. At the time RU was at its all time low in FB. We were dead last out of 100+ FBS schools we couldn't go any lower. The school could not afford to pay a high quality coach so from Mulcahy's POV Schiano was either going to do no worse than where the program already was and at best was going to turn the program around and make a name for himself. Fortunately for us fans, it turned out to be the latter scenario which panned out.
At the end of GS's time on the banks there was a lot of screaming over failed promises of Big East titles and National Championships. I remember this time well because I was on the fence about GS. The fan base was getting restless with secondary bowls and losing heartbreaking games. I am sure GS felt the heat and was ready to take his next step. That's when he left for TB. I still keep on top of Gregs career and wish him nothing but well. He turned around a failing program and made it respectable. Was he perfect in his approach? No but very few of us are. From all I have read of the interviews he has done, I believe he has learned a lot from his time in the NFL and will become a better coach in the Pro's or the college level. In anycase, years from now when Rutgers is successfully competing in the B1G and they bring GS back to induct him into the hall of fame, I hope to be there. He may have been the only person with the vision and patience to turn the program around and for that this RU fan will be forever grateful!
Not sure if you're talking about the accident after the 2004 Homecoming game against Temple, but he stayed at the hospital for quite some time until Dondre Asberry was out of danger. Asberry, Manny Collins and Eddie Grimes were in the car (along with 1 of their siblings) when a drunk driver going the wrong way on Route 18 hit the SUV in front of them.
So, let me get this straight. You are eternally grateful for him turning RU into a winner, you supported him when the crowd with pitchforks wanted him out in 2004, but your astute analysis concludes that he was an average coach "at best". I have to question you intelligence, with all due respect.
I have a different take on the assistant turnover issue. RU had a very limited budget. When Michigan offered and RU matched, more of that budget went to GS. Some people think he should have stayed at RU for below what others were offering (although I doubt they would turn down huge raises themselves) so that he could have retained some assistants who left for bigger/richer programs.
I remember reading an article after the L'ville victory in 2006. GS had spent much of the day visiting sick children at a hospital in New Brunswick before going to the game. Ahole? Lombardi was an Ahole as well. Saban is certainly an Ahole. But GS was RU's Ahole and fans of Cuse/UConn/BC/PSU hated him.
I happen to have a friend that is a scout for an NFL team. He said Rutgers may be the least enjoyable place to scout...that saddened me to hear. He was on an NFL staff with Schiano in the past so he got treated well but overall the scouts hate going to Rutgers....and Flood is not that much more welcoming. Along with that he also said Paterno treated scouts terribly and Franklin is slimey...so that made me laugh as we all feel the same way.
Comparing our facilities to other programs, he also said ours are actually really good and not a bad as many make them out to be.
Comparing our facilities to other programs, he also said ours are actually really good and not a bad as many make them out to be.
Greg did many great things while he was our head coach. Give him his due. He did a few things badly, but I mostly remember him for the great things he did. Kyle Flood does a lot of great things, and he does some things poorly too. It's human nature. Kyle seems willing to work on and improve his weak points. From the MMQB piece, it seems Greg learned from his past mistakes. Comparing Greg and Kyle is like comparing apples and oranges. Both have excellent and bad points, but I tend to focus on the excellent points.
His career record was 1 game over .500. I'd say 11 years of coaching at a job is a big enough body of work to make the statement that he is an average coach with that record, no? You want to throw the first two seasons out the window? Then I'm going to heavily scruitinize 2010, the awful losses to UL, WVU and UCONN in 2011 which cost us the conference championship and the 1-5 start in 2008 all while playing what we are coming to find out was the equivalent of a mid major schedule those 3 seasons. All three of those years should have been much better than they turned out. I'm not saying the guy is an ahole or is a bad person off the field. I'm saying he did a great job resurrecting a terrible program from the dead but never took the next step to championship level. Id say that is a fair assessment.
