Urban Meyer hurt Rutgers with the Schiano hire
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You have to give him his due. He is an excellent DC but no more excellent than anyone else they would hire for a million bucks.
So instead of Urban flying into Teterboro it will be Schiano. I don't think the move had anything to do with Rutgers, but fit for many other reasons and it will have counter pressure to the Ash move.
"You nutty fans are crazy. You hate Schiano and said he's terrible at coaching and don't want him here,happy that he can not find a job. When he gets a job, you think the only reason he got a job is to hurt Rutgers. Schiano, if he even does any recruiting, will maybe affect 1 recruit in NJ and most likely Rutgers was never in the running."
Spot on, RutgersDave.
Spot on, RutgersDave.
I agree. OSU is looking for national championships,Rutgers is looking for respectability.
We are no threat to OSU, and to take it a step further, there is no doubt that they would like to see a stronger Rutgers program,
1) They would help their strength of schedule .
2)They would give their fans a decent game to go to every other year,instead of a laugher.
3)I don't think UM would recommend one of his young coaches come here if he didn't think he could
be successful .
4) Ultimately, I think a solid Rutgers program generates more interest in the Northeast market and helps gain exposure and revenue for all BIG schools.
As far as Schiano goes, does he have ties in NJ? of coarse, but I think the real impact of his recruiting will be felt in Florida.It will be interesting to see what state his recruiting area will be.
On a side, I'm curious to see if he will have any input on their special teams, with their talent and his schemes, I would hate to try to punt or kick field goals against them.
I think as far as Rutgers goes, we are in a good place,and if we can work our way up the ladder in the BIG we are going to see some great football.
Schiano built a championship defense at Miami I believe. This is a very good hire by OSU.
I agree with you....this is a long term hopefully hire and GS and his family must like moving cause they'll be moving again soon....OSU won't neglect Ohio recruiting for more than 1 or 2 kids in NJ yrly anyway..
If his theory is correct then it's Ash' move.
He will now hire Tim Beck as Quarterbacks coach and Luke Fickell as Recruiting Coordinator from Ohio State and give them a huge boost in salary. Lol
He will now hire Tim Beck as Quarterbacks coach and Luke Fickell as Recruiting Coordinator from Ohio State and give them a huge boost in salary. Lol
He was there two years and did a good job at Miami, but I would not say he built the defenses there. They were good before he got there.
It was a good hire by Urban and a good move for Greg.
stop the craziness people...PLEASE...this really IS NOT a big deal!!!
I suspect that for Meyer, Rutgers has as much significance as a gnat's fart. OSU doesn't really recruit the tri-state area, they select who they want.
Right. Instead of worry about the goings on in East Landsing and Ann Arbor, Meyer is setting his sights on the Hale Center.
Why do some call Greg, Gary ? What is the origins of this? Also what does USCe mean? I know its South Carolina but what's the "e" stand for?
Not sure about the USCe, but the Gary reference is from one of our games when Greg was coaching. The announcer kept calling Greg, Gary, through most of the game, as well as mispronouncing a few of the players names.
Actually, he did build their defense -- or rebuild it. Miami had great defenses in the 90s up until 1997.
1997 25.9 points against
66th ranking
1998. 24.8 points against
52nd Ranking
Then Schiano came in and cut the points against to 16.9 in 1999 and down to 15.8 in 2000 (7th best)
In 2001, the defense he helped rebuild was the best in college football, giving up under 10 points a game. He had moved on to Rutgers, but deserves some credit for the defense on that championship team.
I don't know if you are referring to a post in this thread (didn't see it) but I believe it goes back to one of RutgersAl's Topics a couple of years ago where he refereed to Rutgers as the USC of the East.. University of Southern Cal (Trojans, not the Gamecocks)
Exactly! The idea that Meyer or Schiano wants to hurt Rutgers is ludicrous. The world runs as much on mutual cooperation and synergy of interests than it does on competition. Those who think otherwise are simply watching too much TV where if there is no conflict there is no plot.
Does Microsoft want Dell to fail? Does Verizon want Samsung to fail? The answers are self-evident. OSU needs a stronger RU.
I feel people are missing the distinction that Urban Meyer has himself stated about his views with NJ. The National recruiting footprint is for everywhere other than Ohio, Texas, Florida, Georgia and NJ. In those named States, Urban wants to saturate the area.
From Sargent article / January 13, 2015:
"There are certain states that just by quality and quantity you go, the Texas, the Georgia, the Florida, the Jersey, those are off the top of my head that we're going to saturate a little bit, but then we go cherry pick the best players at certain positions, and Ohio State is a national brand ... and a national recruiting base.''
From Sargeant article on October 19, 2015:
"I love New Jersey,'' Meyer said Monday during a news conference to preview Saturday's Big Ten clash at Rutgers. "I recruited there for many, many years.''
"We've done okay, probably not good enough (recruiting New Jersey),'' said Meyer, who owns a 45-3 record in three-plus seasons at Ohio State. "We can always do better."
Regardless of where you fall on the impact of the Schiano decision (whether bad for us or otherwise irrelevant) at least look at the matter accurately based on what Urban Meyer has publicly admitted in his clear scope to focus on NJ as a principal target state.
From Sargent article / January 13, 2015:
"There are certain states that just by quality and quantity you go, the Texas, the Georgia, the Florida, the Jersey, those are off the top of my head that we're going to saturate a little bit, but then we go cherry pick the best players at certain positions, and Ohio State is a national brand ... and a national recruiting base.''
From Sargeant article on October 19, 2015:
"I love New Jersey,'' Meyer said Monday during a news conference to preview Saturday's Big Ten clash at Rutgers. "I recruited there for many, many years.''
"We've done okay, probably not good enough (recruiting New Jersey),'' said Meyer, who owns a 45-3 record in three-plus seasons at Ohio State. "We can always do better."
Regardless of where you fall on the impact of the Schiano decision (whether bad for us or otherwise irrelevant) at least look at the matter accurately based on what Urban Meyer has publicly admitted in his clear scope to focus on NJ as a principal target state.
As OP stated, anyone who doesn't see this hurting Rutgers has their head buried in the sand. While OSU does recruit nationally, they are going to now have a special focus in NJ, where Schiano is going to leverage his recruiting relationships. This makes it more difficult for Rutgers to succeed, because Jersey 4 and 5 stars that might have chosen Rutgers, now that we have a credible coach, will opt for OSU. It's now gotten a lot more difficult to recruit Jordan Fuller for example, given Schianos relationship with that family.
Schiano is going to tell recruits that he could have been HC at Rutgers but chose to be DC at OSU because they have a stronger commitment to winning from the school and the fans.
Schiano is going to tell recruits that he could have been HC at Rutgers but chose to be DC at OSU because they have a stronger commitment to winning from the school and the fans.
I hope this is sarcasm. Urban Meyer isn't spending sleepless nights worrying about RU.
Don't minimize what Schiano did here. Once again we have fans trashing our own to prove a point. Schiano had 2 - 5 star recruits and a lot of top notch 4 star kids. No need to bad mouth some of the 4 stars that did not pan out.
You can make your point by saying Schiano was good but Ash will be better.
Let me give you a preview. Anyone who is not insecure will be focused on what Ash is doing or what he needs to do to improve RU. Anyone who is insecure and worried about things they can't control in life will be focused on what Schiano and OSU are constantly doing and how it is hurting RU.
If OSU pulls 5 Four stars out of NJ next year (which I doubt) good for them. They will be pulling guys away from Michigan and PSU who already recruit NJ better than RU. It will then potentially close the gap with those programs. RU has a long way to go to compete with OSU.
http://www.landgrantholyland.com/20...rets-greg-schiano-jordan-fuller-isaiah-wilson
Please read this article and explain to me how I over reacted.
Please read this article and explain to me how I over reacted.
Right now we've been losing recruiting battles to just about everyone, including pitt, which should not be happening at this point, and someone is worrying about losing to ohio state?
My nightmare would be Schiano going to Penn State. Beyond that, the guy was going to land SOMEWHERE, so it might as well be a place that recruits nationally so he will have a lesser impact in our region. We can only worry about what we can control, and we certainly cannot make a decision based on where Greg might have gone.
Schiano has influence, but a guy who can walk into your living room and show off his national championship ring should also turn the heads of some recruits.
-Scarlet Jerry
Schiano has influence, but a guy who can walk into your living room and show off his national championship ring should also turn the heads of some recruits.
-Scarlet Jerry
Miamis defense was awful before he got there. Much like how it is today. But he was helped by players maturing and the recruitment of 5 star talent like DJ Williams.
There is no way Urban is going anywhere for the next few years. Especially to the NFL. He is home and loves it. If he did there is also no way Schiano would be named head coach.
Look at Urbans track record. Hasn't been anywhere for more than 5 years. The only constant in college football is change. I still remember when Butch Davis said he wasn't going anywhere, then the Browns swooped in, and kept improving their offer till he said yes. 5 years for 25 Million. He left behind a team that would go onto winning an MNC in '01 and come very close in '02. Everybody has their price.
Maybe Urban is the exception, but I doubt it.
31, you've got to be kidding. Ask yourself this one question first.....why isn't GS back at Rutgers? Was he offered the job and turned it down or was he never offered. It couldn't have been a $$$ issue because he is not making the $2+ million that Ash is getting. So please don't blame Urban because Rutgers had a say in this. And please stop making it sound like the entire or large portion of OSU's players are from NJ. Never has been and never will be. Your position is a complete overeaction to the situation. I am more willing to bet that in two years Greg will no longer be at OSU and will be a head coach somewhere else. I don't see the NFL in his future but a prominent head coaching position is a real possibility.g
You are delusional if you believe Meyer hired GS specifically to hurt RU. GS and Meyer have a long standing relationship. Expect GS's stint as DC to be 1 to 2 years and then move to a HC job.
And yet the worlds greatest recruiter and DC couldn't even win a Big East Championship here. Remember he won at Miami when they where the current OSU. Not hard to win a schools that all the best players want to go to.
guarantee GS won't even be there next yr but will take a higher paying warm weather job in southern climes...i doubt his family wants to start building roots in Columbus..
So to be clear, would the whiners in this thread rather have Schiano as our coach instead of Ash?
If that's how you feel, just say it.
It is a logical choice, but not one held by most RUTGERS fans.
But we can all have our opinions on that.
If you'd rather have Ash, who cares if Schiano went to tOSU.
Nothing RUTGERS can do about that.
If that's how you feel, just say it.
It is a logical choice, but not one held by most RUTGERS fans.
But we can all have our opinions on that.
If you'd rather have Ash, who cares if Schiano went to tOSU.
Nothing RUTGERS can do about that.
In the same token I feel like too many people are saying "its ok OSU will get who they want whenever they feel like anyway and we will be locked out of the NJ top 10 for eternity." To me that is unacceptable. We need to gain enough of a presence that we can take whoever we want. Schiano at OSU creates a setback from that happening. I like the Ash hire. I am also very concerned about Schiano being there.
