Was firing gleeson mid-season the right call?
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Yes, definitely. Gleeson cost us a game (Nebraska) by insisting on running an offense that was not tailored to his personnel. Long term, Gleeson's offensive philosophy clearly doesn't match Schiano's offensive philosophy ... which is fine when you're successful, but not at all fine when you're costing the team games you could win by taking a knee for the entire second half.
Probably, but we didn't exactly name an offensive genius as the interim.
True, which is why the next OC should hire his own crew to bring with him. It's bad enough that the new OC has to teach the players a new system but also the offensive coaching staff.
I don’t think so, but Schiano needed a scapegoat for the team’s poor play. He needs to keep his nose out of any offensive decisions.
I think back to the first year when the offense was fun and have to believe the conservatism is on Greg. So no.
If nothing else, it exposed that the situation didn’t materially improve with Nunzio.
The odd thing with that nebraska game gleeson wasn’t conservative when he needed to be
Maybe is Sam Brown didn’t get hurt it would have been. But, ultimately, it didn’t work.
yes, had to be done and the offensive staff will be replaced before next season
No reason even to ask if something needed to be done when the need was obvious.
Guess trying for negative point of view about something that happened is the result of a bad season and having negitivity piled on by those who relish posting negative thoughts
When it comes to RU it seems negative sells and the positive is impossible to see.
What was negative about my post ? It’s a fair question to ask after the season. I didn’t even give my opinion on it !
it's the thought that counts and even though I really can't say what you were thinking about the move or reason you asked question, your posting habit ( from my POV) gives me the feeling that you really didn't want the answer as much as making the change look useless.
Maybe that's why you asked the question without saying what you thought about the move
Yes. We all knew he had to go especially when he started losing the locker room, then it’s done.
Only at RU do fans question if we should’ve fired the OC after being ranked last in O.
Amazing how fast that changed when Greg had a chance to sink his teeth into it
It wasn't working.
Time to make a change
Next change Offensive staff.
If that doesn't work,
Head coach & staff
Time to make a change
Next change Offensive staff.
If that doesn't work,
Head coach & staff
To be fair, after Schiano wasn’t immediately hired some people were saying that AD Hobbs made a mistake by firing HC Ash mid-season.
Apparently they wanted more of those stellar post game press conferences.
Again you’re reading between the lines and doing it incorrectly . The move was made, the season played out , it’s fair to discuss
He should have been fired after the first offensive series of the year, trotting out 3 different QB’s in the first 3 plays
How many OC's has GS cycled through while at RU? I can't imagine that if a candidate did their due diligence they would hear a glowing report about how GS lets OC's do their thing. I doubt this in season change will make it anything other than make it more difficult to get someone with good credentials interested in the position unless we are paying significant comp for multiple years.
Absolutely. He was a cancer and the patient is still recovering.
reading beween the lines makes me feel when raising an issue ,on a message board like this, it's fair to expect the OP to share an opinion on issue raised unless there's an ulterior motive for bringing up an issue..
But in this age of innocence , can't say you have one or not.
That line is unreadable
I'm really on the fence on this one.
On the one hand, I thought Gleeson was getting way too cute with his play calling. C'mon, 3 different QB's on 3 plays to start the game? The continuous merry-go-round at QB? Running Wimsatt into the center of the line against Temple? Our offense was hamstrung to start the season with Vedral hurt, no question about that, but they knew that Vedral would miss the first 3-4 games at minimum. I feel like they did not adjust their gameplan to utilize the skills that Wimsatt/Simon had.
On the other hand, the offense really is lacking in talent. We brought in Ryan and Harris to try to fill the need for playmakers: Ryan did so-so, Harris had his own problems and left the program. I don't think AC has gotten back to what he was before his injury. And we had Sam Brown coming on, but then with the freak injury we ended up losing him for the season. Other than those, who else do we have on offense who can really make a difference?
And let's not get started on running off Raiqwon O’Neal. Yes, I know the arguments, he chose to leave. But, seriously, they went into the portal looking for offensive tackles, and they planned to groom Hollin Pierce as RT of the future. So what was he left to think? It's basically saying: "Hey, we like the way you play, but we think we can find someone better. So you'll need to prove you're better than whomever we bring in." I mean, is anyone surprised he left?
Maybe I wanted to ask the question objectively and not slant it either way. That way people are free to give their answers instead of me dictating the thread .
If you want my opinion on the subject, I can give you that . But it doesn’t seem that’s what you want as we have been back and forth with this
You mean like when he went over and said no more Langan in the wildcat because everyone in the B1G knows he's only runs and had no gains on the prior attempts?
If anything it gives RU more time to pick an OC. I don't think it impacted the results of the season. They had to continue with the Gleason Offense, that's why the offense didn't change a whole lot after he left. Next season there will be a completely new offensive system.
Well you can end the back and forth with your opinion.
I summited mine as did others
Guess when you were reading between the lines after seeing my replies, you took what I said as not being entreated in finding out your answer to the question you were the one that raised ..
As for not wanting to slant other's opinion by posting your own first, can't say if your opinion would have made a difference in what others thought about the move.
If you liked it or not, either way wouldn't have influenced what I thought about the move or what will happen next.( as I posted my thoughts here)
PACHECO
I'm watching KC Vs LA and the announcers start to talk about how KC coaches like how Pacheco is learning to run with more control and in a rythmn - vs running like his hair is on fire.
Announcer said young guys like to explode and hit something but there needs to be control, reading blocks etc.
That's something I always heard back say "I'm running better by using my vision and blockers."
I always saw Pacheco was often running too hot, and wondered why nobody at a D1 B!G program could teach that
I'm watching KC Vs LA and the announcers start to talk about how KC coaches like how Pacheco is learning to run with more control and in a rythmn - vs running like his hair is on fire.
Announcer said young guys like to explode and hit something but there needs to be control, reading blocks etc.
That's something I always heard back say "I'm running better by using my vision and blockers."
I always saw Pacheco was often running too hot, and wondered why nobody at a D1 B!G program could teach that
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A hole would never open on our offense. To wait was to get tackled in the back field. Although Sam does it instinctively. When he was playing he would be waiting and looking for a tiny hole and then boom hit the burners. That kid is going to set some records at RU.
It doesn't matter who we fire, keep, or hire. The results will be the same (bottom 10 FBS offense) no matter what. Nick Saban wouldn't be able to average 200 yards a game at RU no matter the personnel.
Seriously, this is the most absurd chain of failures imaginable within the college football world. 2 head coaches and 6 OCs over 7 seasons and we can't get out of the bottom 10 no matter what. I stopped believing after the Iowa game, RU football Saturdays are a waste of valuable time.
Seriously, this is the most absurd chain of failures imaginable within the college football world. 2 head coaches and 6 OCs over 7 seasons and we can't get out of the bottom 10 no matter what. I stopped believing after the Iowa game, RU football Saturdays are a waste of valuable time.
Who gives a $hit...we are where we are...no going back
And making Rutgers Football fans miserable and sour. The beatings continue. Hopefully there's a special place in heaven for us.
but since we can't go back, what's your answer to the original question in this thread .
was firing Gleeson the right call or not ??
No. Nothing improved after he was canned. We could have went 1-5 with him too and just fired him today.
It appears he was a scapegoat for nebraska game , which was a bad game by Gleeson.
schiano also had said many times gleeson will be a head coach at this level one day .
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