Have you met our HC? Because he lowers the bar faster than a game of limbo.
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Have you met our HC? Because he lowers the bar faster than a game of limbo.
“Barchi and the BOG saved about $2.8 million in 2012 (difference between Greg's and Flood's salaries), another $2.6 million in 2013, and about another $5 million over the next two seasons. All told, RU saved about $10 million in salary for the head coach of football.
You get what you pay for.”
Flood is starting to look like a bargain if you look at the number of wins he got compared to his salary.
Little did we know that he was busy jackhammering the foundation that Greg built as soon as he became HC.
You get what you pay for.”
Flood is starting to look like a bargain if you look at the number of wins he got compared to his salary.
Little did we know that he was busy jackhammering the foundation that Greg built as soon as he became HC.
What is the recruiting impact though? If nothing else with this staff, Ash's recruiting seems to be relatively stable. It is a bit below average on the whole, I'd say. It did not drop off much this past year. He's got a qb lined up for the next class. I don't see it as a situation where great recruiting classes in 2016 and 2017 were followed by a downward trend.
I don't think the talent situation for New Coach X is going to be appreciably different if he starts on December 10, 2019 as opposed to December 10, 2018.
Btw I take that also as an example of geography not being the end all be all that some like to think. It’s a nice bonus if you can have it but it shouldn’t be limiting. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t just the same as if the person is familiar with an area. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t.
I think most of us saw the problems with flood early on and everyone saw it by 2013. The big mistake was keeping him after that, although he had some moments in 2014. We were very prepared in the Washington state, navy and North Carolina games . I have yet to think the same of any game ash coached here.
Cost per win for Jim Harbaugh: $789,000
Cost per win for Ash: $857,000
Seems Ash is being paid to B1G scale.
While we need to pay a more competitive salary to increase our chances of finding the right coach, we are not going make a slam dunk hire. They are few and far between and cost much more than the median B1G salary. May not be rocket science but it is not easy to find right person. Paying more increases your chances of success but in no way guarantees it.
The guy I think we missed out on when hiring Ash was Matt Campbell who wound up at Iowa State. Not sure he would have been successful here or wanted the job but has done a nice job at a school which struggles at sustaining success similar to RU.
...also by year 3 Schiano had us at 5-7 with wins over Bowl team Navy and a convincing win over cuse to close the season; Ash had us at 1-11 with an offense that couldn’t score points in pinball with $20 worth of quarters (along with 2 different offenses and 3 OC’s in 3 years).
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Couple that with Ash's inability to endear himself to RU fans, and the vitriol towards him is understandable.
It's a matter of what coaching pool you're looking to draw from. If you're only offering $2M, you are not going to attract the same level of candidates as if you were offering $3.5M. We're trying to buy a $200K home in a $350K neighborhood... and expecting the same level of quality.
What is "highly qualified"? Any coach who came to Rutgers would be a gamble, like Chris Ash was. But certainly Ash wasn't the only gamble available.
I don't have a problem with Hobbs hiring Ash. Hobbs had to take a gamble, and Ash appeared to be a reasonable gamble. The fact that Ash appears to have flamed out doesn't mean that Hobbs screwed up the selection. Any selection would have had a significant potential to flame out. That's what makes them gambles.
However, I don't buy the argument that Hobbs had no negotiating room in the length or buy-out terms of Ash's contract. If Hobbs found Ash's demands to be unreasonable, I don't believe there weren't other potential candidates, who would have also been gambles.
Salary restraints has nothing to do with the current situation.
We hired a career defensive coach, who talked a big game but ran away scared at the first sign of “offense takes time” and went back to losing meathead offense.
Our salary constraints will come into play when we try to keep a successful coach from leaving.
It isn’t stopping us from hiring an innovative offensive coach who could be competitive and win at Rutgers - literally look at Syracuse a team “in our rear view mirror” 2 years ago.
FWIW, McCormick, not Barchi, was President when Pernetti made the decision to hire Flood.
its always a greater 'gamble' when you take an Asst coach and make them a first time power five Head Coach.
A more qualified HC would have been someone who was a HC in group of five or power five level prior.
You might think that on its face but I don't think so. I don't see any negligible difference in results. I've given examples of coordinators and assistants in the past that have done just fine and not at name brand programs either....btw name brand programs also hire coordinators too...it's not as if they don't.
The only difference is the availability of the hottest of hot names in any given year....that's where our lack of resources may come into play but beyond that we can still find quality worthy of an opportunity candidates just like other "downtrodden" programs.
Fake news. An analysis was done here that showed that was not the case.
A few examples of HCs with experience who failed.
See Al Golden
See Justin Fuente (trending way down at VT)
See Darell Hazell
A few examples of coordinators who killed it as HCs
Chip Kelly at Oregon
Mike Leach at Texas Tech
Luke Fickell at Cincinnati
EeyR, you are again just blowing hot air with nothing to back it up.
Patterson, Whittingham, Fitzgerald are other names I've brought up in the past too in addition to some of the ones you mention....not name brand schools either. I always say it's an inexact science .....you can have your preferences but in the end you never really know...unless you're hiring Saban and maybe a couple others.Fake news. An analysis was done here that showed that was not the case.
A few examples of HCs with experience who failed.
See Al Golden
See Justin Fuente (trending way down at VT)
See Darell Hazell
A few examples of coordinators who killed it as HCs
Chip Kelly at Oregon
Mike Leach at Texas Tech
Luke Fickell at Cincinnati
EeyR, you are again just blowing hot air with nothing to back it up.
Look at Bielema and Tuberville names that some might say were "proven" (a term I don't like btw) and how they did at later stops in their career.
Somebody is having a sad because the new moderators don't act like the old shitty moderators. I guess it must suck for you that this message board is now in a place where everyone gets to voice their opinion.
I love Dutch Bunnies, they're so cute. We have 1 left, Corey's little guy Conner died a couple of months ago.
And we were at 4-2 in 2004 when that horrific crash occurred, which lost us 3 DB's and cast a pall over the team.
This. Until the Rutgers Administration gets serious about P5 football and not treat it like some Patriot League level Program our fanbase should stop buying season tickets and stop donating their hard earned money.
Arsewipes like KinightSh#ts and RU4ReallyThatStupid don’t get it and never will.
Looking at the last 35 active B1G full time coaches (dating back 10 years, ignoring interim coaches), 21 were head coaches at a prior stop, 7 were promoted from within the program, 5 were coordinators at other schools, and 2 were coordinators/assistants in the NFL.
Looking at the performance of the five HC who were coordinators hired from other schools:
Nebraska - Pelini (67-27, fired after 7 full seasons, all of which had at least 9 wins)
Maryland - Durkin (10-15, fired in 2nd season)
Indiana - Allen (10-15, heading into 3rd season)
Indiana - Wilson (26-47, fired after 6 seasons and no winning records)
Rutgers - Ash (7-29, heading into 4th season)
Not a great track record of coordinators coming in from other schools and succeeding in the conference.
Looking at the performance of the five HC who were coordinators hired from other schools:
Nebraska - Pelini (67-27, fired after 7 full seasons, all of which had at least 9 wins)
Maryland - Durkin (10-15, fired in 2nd season)
Indiana - Allen (10-15, heading into 3rd season)
Indiana - Wilson (26-47, fired after 6 seasons and no winning records)
Rutgers - Ash (7-29, heading into 4th season)
Not a great track record of coordinators coming in from other schools and succeeding in the conference.
67-27 will have us renaming the stadium after the coach who gets that record.
We have some actual financial data now on this. Turns out our estimates of total revenue were probably very close and the losses appear to be almost dead on.
Actual figures, which include all ticket sales (not just football) are:
Ticket sales
FY2018 [2017 football season]: $10,764,623
FY2017 [2016 football season]: $12,824,201
FY2016 [2015 football season]: $13,757,852
https://expo.nj.com/sports/g66l-201...1718-a-look-at-the-100m-athletics-budget.html
Are the ticket sales figures limited to football tickets or all of athletics tickets? Because if it is all of athletics, then the ticket sales for football may be worse. Basketball and wrestling have been trending up.
Expenses for support staff and administrative salaries have ballooned:
Support Staff-Administrative salaries and bonuses
FY2018: $19,340,875
FY2017: $17,411,145
FY2016: $8,648,036
The figures provided seem to be for everything. They are higher than the football only numbers we estimated. I would venture to guess that football sales are 80-90% of total sales, but that's just a guess.
Sure have. Hobbs was hired in mid-FY 2016, so this investment has now been going on for almost three full years at a total cost increase of ~$25 million. I'm wondering out loud if there is less of a tie to results for this expense than what the perception is.
I must say that I did a damn fine job in my estimates. I am going to submit this thread as an exhibit to my CV for my next application to be AD. I have been told that I am an excellent interview too, so I should be a shoe-in for the job! I am modest too.
Those figures deserve an explanation. Can't believe that Sarge just put those in the story without any more detail.
It will be interesting to see how close the projected numbers are to actual. We'll have to save this thread and revisit in two years to see.
Only if we were right, so we can throw it in others' faces to show how right we were! Otherwise, if we were wrong, this thread must be buried. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Everyone always says what a tough job Rutgers is. My ass. You get to .500 and a bowl bid, your job is pretty secure. Hell even the media will talk about what a great job you've done at such a hard place to win. Getting to .500 isn't hard if you're competent.
Yeah, there's one hell of a football staff to be hired for that amount of money, and it's hard to say that any admin support staff is going to have an impact on the overall health of the AD that is anywhere near what a top football program would have.
If I were to guess, it would be that a good chunk of that is for the assistant coaches and support staff that is required to be a Power 5 Football Team.
