We learned two things today:
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1. Well money is no object as long as the coaches take I.O.U.s (or Discover card) so maybe Barchi did not lie.
2. That one we all knew before we started down this path.
2. That one we all knew before we started down this path.
The New York Times story today on coaching openings is pretty direct about how the job is perceived.
How is money a issue? Because Richt took a job from his alma mater within 48 hours! Get real.
No surprise. These are politicians making comments for public consumption.
We were never going to pay $4m for a head coach and I wouldn't be surprised if we fall short of paying $4m for the entire new staff.
If we want to be serious about catapulting Rutgets into serious contenders in the B10 East, our target should be $5-$6m in payroll
We were never going to pay $4m for a head coach and I wouldn't be surprised if we fall short of paying $4m for the entire new staff.
If we want to be serious about catapulting Rutgets into serious contenders in the B10 East, our target should be $5-$6m in payroll
I think we all know it's not a top-level P5 position, nor should we just "expect" a Mark Richt to want it, but there are competent HC's out there who would (and will) take the job.
We didn't learn anything today... At all... What we learned is that Richt went to a school he wanted to be at. Schiano is still on the table, and so is mullen (People at Miss.St are not happy with him) and maryland made a hire that we could match or exceed depending on who we get. That's all! I don't trust any of these sources that are coming out with any of these stories about rutgers because everything is so quiet no one really knows whats going on. Also to my knowledge we haven't interviewed any one yet... so my advice is to step away from the ledge.
I 100% agree with point #2 and that is all on Rutgers.
I don't agree with Point #1. "Money isn't an issue" doesn't mean nor should anyone have thought it meant unlimited budget. I don't believe anyone should have thought RU would lay out $4-5 million a year. That's not realistic. Look at how many coaches in the B1G make more than $3 million and how their school's revenue compares to Rutgers. Also, fans don't have the right to bitch when RU's donation level is so pitiful as compared to our peers.
I don't agree with Point #1. "Money isn't an issue" doesn't mean nor should anyone have thought it meant unlimited budget. I don't believe anyone should have thought RU would lay out $4-5 million a year. That's not realistic. Look at how many coaches in the B1G make more than $3 million and how their school's revenue compares to Rutgers. Also, fans don't have the right to bitch when RU's donation level is so pitiful as compared to our peers.
If thats how you think...check Cuses board where they'll get whomever no one else wants and they KNOW IT...
We'll pay only for top shelf quality...not coordinaters top shelf money...Richt would've gotten market rate...as would a Babers...not the same...we won't be saps and overpay.Bad for our image and business.
A poisoned chalice is how the Times describes the Rutgers job, lol. Well at least it's a chalice and not a paper cup.
Like md? Cuse? Illinois and Minnesota?
Reality is there is probably one guy worth 4 million who would consider us and that is Mullen.
After that who are the candidates that wee could be offering if we had the money. RHULE and Herman both seem content to ride it out for a year rather than take any midlevel job.
What we have learned is that there aren't that many high end coaches willing to move and if they so they end up going to higher end schools - which is to say we learned nothing we didn't already know.
Help me out here, because I really don't understand this. Are you guys of saying that more money for staff has no impact on the willingness of coaches to take the job? I can understand your point if you tell me, Mark Richt is worth $3mm and if we offer him $3mm and Miami offers him $3mm he is not going to come here. But do you mean to tell me if we offer him $4.5mm, he won't be at Rutgers next year?
There's no way coaching is different from every other sector. If you want to elevate Rutgers, then you pick your guy, and pay him whatever it takes to get him here. Otherwise you aren't serious about fixing things, and money is most certainly still an issue. It can't be true that these guys won't overlook facilities if you are willing to raise their bottom line by a sufficient amount.
and why are you surprised. We knew this going in. Did you really believe we were spending $4 million plus. Barchi just meant we wouldn't be spending $1 million anymore and we would double it. Plus the job is one of the least desirable out there.
disagree...but its both money and desirability. We could throw $4 million at a top prospect but they might turn it down due to our being the least attractive
RU is only a bad job for someone who is not very good. If you are a good coach, it's obvious that RU is the place to be. But for, the money!
You have no stain, don't think I'll agree with you.
To early in the game to tell exactly Rutgers is going to do or who their really after .
Domino effect will be the case, top choices will fill up first then schools like Rutgers will
go after who they want.
Rutgers reputation of hiring on the cheap is the only thing that makes your basjh look like it might be true.
I'm going on RU paying Hobbs a good salary (five-year contract with a $560,000 base salary), higher than I thought they would pay an AD after eating Hermann's salary.
So money didn't seem a problem for hiring the AD and the RU HC position might be the same way.
You just throw BS against the wall to see if it leaves the stain you always talk about
Rutgers in the B1G makes it more desirable than some might think, but only if the candidates know the RU AD will be able to support the FB program properly.
I'll wait for the official interviews to start before I start the sky is falling approach to the way Hobbs is handling the HC hunt.
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I think one issue is going beyond the money itself. Bringing in avg / 'same old RU' guys (for AD too) and paying them higher rates than our usual doesnt mean that Barchi is actually going all out to try and bring us up to the high-level. It just means he's trying to appease everyone and annoying many in the process.
We'll see if Hobbs is his own man or tied down by Barchi when the interviews start.
But the real test is if whoever is hired has a competitive salary or the same old on the cheap
hire.
Personally don't expect Barchi will pay top dollar, but expect Hobbs to make him pay a competitive salary in order to get a quality replacement.
If he can't, proves Hermann was working with handcuffs and we can't expect much out of Hobbs unless he can get the boosters to help.
They would come, because you offer them and their assitants the proper salary to convince them to come to Rutgers.
The rumor is that UVA offered Richt $5mm and he turned it down. When Miami fired Golden the word was that they had up to $4mm to spend on a head coach. Assuming this is true and assistant pay was comparable, Richt was willing to forego $1mm to be at Miami over UVA. I have a tough time believing that, but perhaps its what happened. Say UVA says okay, we will pay you $6mm. You don't think thats a new conversation?
Say Rutgers offers silly money... like $7.5mm to Richt. Do you think he is not our head coach right now? If we are willing to pay that much is the Rutgers job still overrated? Or is it now a desirable job?
I cannot imagine that there are built in disadvantages that cannot be overcome with more money. It is one thing to say we are willing to spend for the right candidate. But the right candidate is not going to come to Rutgers unless you are willing to pay a premium. You can't call Chip Kelly and offer to pay him what the Eagles are paying him. Any idiot knows that. If our guys didn't know that going in, they were stupid, and should have never leaked any of that nonsense about going after the top names.
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