I think two of our three returning insiders will move. I also believe Doucoure will reclassify to 2017 and b on the Banks at some point in 2017. This staff knows the strength and weakness of what they have and I think come opening day next November u will be pleased with four new faces at least two of which will be four year players. There are a few post grads and hardships that could come here and start ala Getty from day one and that list will increase. You need to be involved early or it becomes harder and harder to get them. RU is also involved with a few BT Jucos but their lists r impressive and a lot depends whether or not they wish to return to the Eastern Corridor to play in the B10 or play for a team they know will be a contender but their part will be much less. Do they buy into the effort and the dream?
We need to build differently...through transfers...
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There's more involved with transfers than just having the ability to play.
A guy has to be a fit with what you do in terms of style of play an he has to bring something you don't have at the moment.
If a guy isn't a willing defender I wouldn't bring him in here.
He won't play.
A guy has to be a fit with what you do in terms of style of play an he has to bring something you don't have at the moment.
If a guy isn't a willing defender I wouldn't bring him in here.
He won't play.
Risk? The odds are stacked that he can find a big man in April-June better than Sa.
You have to look at the big picture and be realistic. What is our place in the heirarchy?
5s don't grow on trees. Maybe we can hope a decent player emerges in August after every school has their roster filled.
Doucoure will not reclassify. Where did that rumor even start? I do think though that Coach will bring in a center who can contribute scoring & rebounding who very well could be a JUCO or a grad transfer. Hopefully we can also find a SF or another guy who can hit the 3 and be a scorer.
I would be fine with a grad transfer or juco for 2017 but not a roster that takes up spots for 2018 as that should be the year for us to get 4-5 core guys to build around. If you don't have a nucleus, we won't sustain anything and we are not a school who can turn over the roster with players going pro.
13 or 14 wins this year coupled with how many games were very close and competitive should tell you all you need to know about our coaching staff.
I'm going to temper my enthusiasm and expectations after the Maryland loss. Here's what I'm thinking now. 2017 could be a little better and hopefully 2018 is a year of the serious future of Ru basketball. I say serious future because when you bring in 4-5 freshman it will take a year of some learning to start to gel. 2019 actually should be a fantastic year. We could see post season in some form before then but I don't think it will be the NCAA. Congrats to northwestern for finally busting out and making the tournament.
13 or 14 wins this year coupled with how many games were very close and competitive should tell you all you need to know about our coaching staff.
I'm going to temper my enthusiasm and expectations after the Maryland loss. Here's what I'm thinking now. 2017 could be a little better and hopefully 2018 is a year of the serious future of Ru basketball. I say serious future because when you bring in 4-5 freshman it will take a year of some learning to start to gel. 2019 actually should be a fantastic year. We could see post season in some form before then but I don't think it will be the NCAA. Congrats to northwestern for finally busting out and making the tournament.
For sure.
Temper your enthusiasm, but only by fifty percent! Because Rutgers basketball was right there for 50% of that game! Lol
For sure. Like I said, I guess you can run with who the team has. But, there is a lot of risk that you will not have a great+ rebounder for the whole season. I like Shaq's development. He is hitting three point shots now, and hopefully he can hit his free throws when given the development. But, his foot is a huge risk.
Diallo, even as a red shirt freshman, has not shown a ton.
Risk cannot be downplayed. Pikiell needs four stars to compete at this level. If you have another 18 loss season, there is less of a chance four stars would come.
You do not need a five star that can do a ton. You just need a rebounder at the moment.
Diallo's a RS Soph, though he only played in 14 games last year due to injury. His biggest issue, to me, is body control - he just commits way too many fouls. He's actually committing more per 40 minutes this year than last year, along with fewer points. He also seems to be out of position more than our other bigs.
It's possible as a RS Jr he starts to turn a corner (Hamady had a lot of body control issues as an underclassman, too), but no guarantee.
Jon, I think Doorson's defense has improved and he isn't fouling as often but I don't think he has ever even attempted a three. His foul shooting must really improve as he is only 3-14 on the season which is 21%. Diallo is only 3-8 for 37.5% and Sa is 17-41 for 41.5%. All three of these guys need to improve their free throw shooting. We definitely need a rebounder who hopefully can score a bit as well to help us at center next season plus we need a guy who can shoot and score at small forward. I think we just might play 3 guards more next year if we don't have a reliable small forward.
In a recent video, I saw him shoot a 3 and swish. Small, small sample size. I guess it is not even reason to note it. I know.He has hit a jumper this year. Still, he is a big risk.
The top rebounder in the country is more of a forward. Cletrell Pope. Many teams run with no center these days, so that could still work. Mid majors involved. He averages 14 and 14. Sa averaged 10 and 7 I think. So there is obviously that JUCO to D1 translation that would be needed.
I still like Thiam, and think he has a good chance to get better here.
I love Thiam and clearly he needs to to get open more quickly and catch and shoot. Our screens have to get better. He has a great set shot when he takes his time but in the Big 10, you DONT HAVE TIME. I am pretty sure he will adjust his game and succeed here in a big way. Plus, i like his defense with his long arms.
I forgot what he was and was too lazy to look it up.
I agree. He is not showing a ton. I trust Jay Young, but the staff knows what is needed. And they will not be able to wait.
Our whole team is learning this year that to be a shooter, you must start higher. That is very evident.
Some people say you can't look at Pikiells class with enthusiasm. I get that, but I have some hope.
His class has tons of versatility in positions, and all play defense. Those two things are critical. Most have size needed.They are also all seemingly great kids who are willing to listen and get better.
I understand what most are saying. Most kids transfer for a reason. And that reason is usually playing time, which is because they were not great at this level. It will be hard, but I still think someone is brought in. Well see.
I really think that Thiam and Omoruyi have a lot of potential, and really look forward to seeing them grow under this staff as sophomores. Both are raw in a lot of ways, and have incomplete games... but hopefully those are things that can be taught and practiced (and practiced and practiced), and we'll see some improvement next year. The real test, though, is how they look as upperclassmen in 2018-19.
For sure.
I think Omoyuri can turn into a 5 and 5 player next year.
Thiam- potentially 6-7 and 4 player.
Who knows.
It depends what shakes up with Laurent,Diallo, and Bullock. All great kids, but I wonder what happens.
Laurent with a shot is a player I'd love to see stay on this team. I wonder how it goes.
Because he can play bigger than his height. Versatility. That is why Pikiell brought him here.
JUCO players won't move the needle in the big ten. Transfers will have to sit a year and who exactly would come here from a top tier program?
The solution is this staff proving it can recruit at the highest level. The 2018 class is absolutely loaded. If we can't land a few 4 star caliber guys then we're going to see more of the same I'm afraid. These diamond in the rough projects/potential type guys won't do the trick.
The solution is this staff proving it can recruit at the highest level. The 2018 class is absolutely loaded. If we can't land a few 4 star caliber guys then we're going to see more of the same I'm afraid. These diamond in the rough projects/potential type guys won't do the trick.
Omuyuri isn't going anywhere. The kid is a slasher and scrappy player who will find more opportunities to score and contribute nicely. I would think the two transfers would be Diallo and Bullock and I'm not sure what Sa will do? If Doucoure comes in next year; you have Nigel, Sanders, Geo and Williams with a wildcard from the juco transfer (not sure what he's going to be beyond a passer, but I trust Pike). I think Thiam can kind of move into a small forward role at his size and you Omuyuri.Thiam, Laurent and Freeman and then Doucoure and Shaq in the middle. That would leave two more spots plus Sa (depending on what he does). We need another Big for the middle and either a power forward who can score or another two shooters. We need to knock down 3s and make of FT's to win these games.
Players develop a ton over 4 years and many have cited examples of players who averaged 2 PPG as frosh and end up gradually increasing to 16PPG as senior.
HOWEVER, at RU there aren't talented upperclassmen 2 deep at positions. Outside of Hamady, name a Rutgers player who was successful as a junior and senior and didn't make a major impact on Day 1.
HOWEVER, at RU there aren't talented upperclassmen 2 deep at positions. Outside of Hamady, name a Rutgers player who was successful as a junior and senior and didn't make a major impact on Day 1.
You have to go back, but John Battle. He averaged less than 6 ppg as a soph and less as a freshman, and then averaged 21 as a junior and senior.
To far back for me. I know BATTLEship and the fact that it is harder to find that submarine with only 3 pegs in it.
At one of the games late in the year, an announcer referenced a conversation he had with Pikiell. He said Pikiell is not looking for a lot of 3's.....maybe about 10 per game. Part of that is probably Pikiell realizing that he does not have the shooters this year. He'll get one more next year with Geo Baker so maybe things will change.
The last team that had any success not shooting the 3 was Louisville in 1996.
We've definitely had players that did not make a major impact on Day 1, and went on to be successful as juniors/seniors.... they just did it at other schools:
Flores - 3.9 -> 24.0 at Manhattan
Wooten - 6.0 -> 19.2 at Oakland
Pettis - 3.2 -> 15.4 at LaSalle
Sankes - 0.5 ->, 12.8 at Holy Cross
Etou - 5.3 -> 12.8 ppg at Tulsa
Quezada - 2.8 -> 10.6 at San Francisco
Hazard - 0.3 -> 9.1 at FDU
Because of transfers, we haven't really had a whole lot of players make it to their junior and senior seasons, but among those who did:
N'Diaye - 2.7 -> 9.4
Clark - 5.7 -> 10.9
Because of the early departures, our freshmen have to be pushed into service sooner - which doesn't allow them to play behind upperclassmen as they develop. Those 2 to 16 ppg success stories are usually from guys who didn't play a lot of minutes as freshmen, who then got a much larger role as upperclassmen departed. Doorson and Diallo will both see an expanded role next year... should they stay and we don't bring in more help at the five. Not saying they'll suddenly turn the corner as juniors, but they'll certainly should have more opportunity.
Doorson -
2014-15 - Saw 10.3 min/game behind Jack and Lewis as a freshman, 1.6 ppg/2.2 rpg
2015-16 - Injury redshirt
2016-17 - Saw 8.8 min/game behind Gettys and Sa, 1.3 ppg/1.5 rpg
2017-18 - Fourth year in the program, and likely to see his minutes go up.
Diallo -
2014-15 - Redshirt
2015-16 - Most of year injured, played 15.6 mpg in 14 games for 3.6 ppg/3.4 rpg
2015-17 - Saw just 8.8 mpg in 17 games behind Gettys, Sa, and Doorson. 0.9 ppg/1.9 rpg
2017-18 - Fourth year in the program, and likely to see his minutes go up.
Pike has also said that threes cause long rebounds, which makes it harder to get offensive boards and harder to set up the half court defense. On top of not shooting at a high percentage, he may also have tapped the brakes on threes because Offensive RBs and defense are focus areas this year.
Still, he seems to have loosened up a bit.
From the start of the season through FDU, we averaged 17.1 attempts per game.
From Fordam through Wisconsin at MSG, we averaged 11.4.
Since then, we've averaged 16.5 per game.
Pike has success with his own strategy but it seems like almost every team we play uses the 3 point line much like a regular jump shot. Michigan, Purdue, Minnesota and right down the line have multiple shooters. Purdue also has the great inside out game with their monsters down low. I would love to model what Purdue has done.
We have the least 3-point attempts in conference play (238), well behind the next closest (Nebraska 299). We also manage to be tied for the fewest FT attempts (285) with Michigan, who has by far the most 3-point attempts (407). So, we're not shooting from outside, and we're not drawing fouls when shooting from inside.
Pikiell is not against the three. When he was at Stony Brook, he relied on it when he had Brian Dougher. But right now he doesn't feel like he has the shooters to take 18-20 threes a game. So he's molded his offense differently. If he can bring in 3 point shooters, you'll see the offense change again.
I'm certainly not advocating against the 3. Far from it. To me, the college game on offense is more about Dribble penetration and and 3 Point Shoots. Obviously, Pick and roll will always be there.
Our offensive numbers are offensive. It is simple to coach from a keyboard and you are never wrong.......
Coach is making a mistake with this team offensively. More players should be green lighted from 12 seconds left on the shot clock and in, Corey needs to pass 1/3 of the time when penetrating, and we need more looks on the low block, and Keating needs more playing time.
Coach is making a mistake with this team offensively. More players should be green lighted from 12 seconds left on the shot clock and in, Corey needs to pass 1/3 of the time when penetrating, and we need more looks on the low block, and Keating needs more playing time.
Pettis scored15ppg at lasalle??? I'll have to research that
Kadeem jack should be added to my list
Kadeem jack should be added to my list
Agree with you about Keating. Surprised you didn't mention Sheridan - but that's been beaten like a rented mule.
Seriously - we need 2-3 people who can shoot the 3 - we need a 3, 1, and a 2 - and we need a 5.
Other than that - we're good to go.
