Five months ago

[Scangg]

I didn't Martini at all as an undersized unathletic 5 in the B1G, the board loved it

Wanted Ewin, the board didn't want some juco

That alone and it might be a different season

Hayes was always going to struggle to play defensively but didn't deliver from 3

Derkack couldn't shoot at a lower level

Acuff I did like, but seems like that foot injury zapped his explosiveness and he isn't the same unfortunately. He might have been the player we needed without that injury

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I just see three non ncaa years in a row. And in the whole tenure one ncaa win

You say no clear failure other than the first three years and the last two? That’s five of his nine. I won’t at all fault him at all for the first three, but of the last six he’s had clear failure the last third of his time here?

he also could have also been a non tweak injury in the NCAA game we won from being in the Final 4. If Myles doesn't get hurt we win the Houston game....that I have ZERO doubt.

Is it a stretch we win the next 2? Maybe.

 

[Scangg]

What do you mean that’s what I chose to lead with? I literally said “no portal center” as a negative in my OP. I certainly thought we needed one and couldn’t believe we wouldnt negotiate with Ewin

Your entire post is about the board being mean to you for having a minority opinion but you lead with an opinion that was maybe the biggest consensus opinion on the board

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I didn't Martini at all as an undersized unathletic 5 in the B1G, the board loved it

Wanted Ewin, the board didn't want some juco

That alone and it might be a different season

Hayes was always going to struggle to play defensively but didn't deliver from 3

Derkack couldn't shoot at a lower level

Acuff I did like, but seems like that foot injury zapped his explosiveness and he isn't the same unfortunately. He might have been the player we needed without that injury

One thing I will say.....most of the time data doesn't lie.

Shaq Carter we were told was great and to ignore him barely playing in JUCO playoffs
Peter Kiss's Fg% was to be ignored
Derkack couldn't shoot, we knew that
Martini had awful rebounding numbers at Princeton
could list more if i wanted

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

oh i definitely am with you somewhat on Ace/Dylan moreso than majority here

threading the needle with 7 man rosters before mag went down is not the way to go...fools gold...

his recruiting and retention distraous no two ways about it

not fools gold, but playing with fire.

We were really good...like Houston good that year.

If Mag didn't go down would depth and minutes play eventually wear us down? PROBABLY

That was the best team for a month and a half stretch.....maybe it is fool's gold

 

[rucoe89]

Blue Ribbon was onto something before the season started. I guess everyone including myself drank too much Kool Aid. But in my preview for this team, I did mention all the weaknesses that could be major problems for this team. Those weaknesses I mentioned were exposed the entire season. Also, want to mention Pikiell's incompetence with the rotations has been maddening and have not solved any of the issues.

TBH, Pikiell hasn't had a decent handle on rotations for 6 years. That included the Geo, Ron years when they would lose to the likes of UMass and Lafayette. There is a reason he was an NEC coach for so many years. A player or two can get you lucky in those years. Two five-stars in big boy basketball can expose you as a coach if you can't win. To both the Kool Aid drinkers, Whiskey drinkers, and whatever your pleasure drinkers, no use looking back. Here is where we are at and what we have. The next 2 years will be brutal until the new AD comes in and hopefully says "What the hell is this. No. Not on my watch." And we finally move to big boy basketball coaching.

 

[rucoe89]

One thing I will say.....most of the time data doesn't lie.

Shaq Carter we were told was great and to ignore him barely playing in JUCO playoffs
Peter Kiss's Fg% was to be ignored
Derkack couldn't shoot, we knew that
Martini had awful rebounding numbers at Princeton
could list more if i wanted

Don't forget Souf! Point guard extraordinaire! 😁

 

[darkcheck]

Your entire post is about the board being mean to you for having a minority opinion but you lead with an opinion that was maybe the biggest consensus opinion on the board

It wasn’t me. It was to a lot of us. We weren’t wrong. And it wasn’t that much of a minority. And now I’m wrong for having wanted a portal center?

 

[Scangg]

One thing I will say.....most of the time data doesn't lie.

Shaq Carter we were told was great and to ignore him barely playing in JUCO playoffs
Peter Kiss's Fg% was to be ignored
Derkack couldn't shoot, we knew that
Martini had awful rebounding numbers at Princeton
could list more if i wanted

I remember the boarding lovinggg the kiss transfer but I was unimpressed with his tape. I thought I must be missing something. Then I fell for Pike saying he was the best shooter on the team in preseason. The red flag for future Pike off season hype

 

[fluoxetine]

I just see three non ncaa years in a row. And in the whole tenure one ncaa win

You say no clear failure other than the first three years and the last two? That’s five of his nine. I won’t at all fault him at all for the first three, but of the last six he’s had clear failure the last third of his time here?

I don’t think the first three years are actually failures. They would be failures from a results standpoint if they happened now.

People over focus on specific important games. Coaching is not an activity where is it easy to “choke”, for the most part people who have good regular seasons and then lose a playoff game or whatever a few times in a row have just been “unlucky”. For a non-CBB example, take a look at Andy Reid.

All this to say I don’t put huge amounts of stock in statistics that hyper focus on small subsets of the games. If you want to (correctly) point out that Pike has never been more than mid-tier in the Big Ten have at it.

I’ve been pretty consistent in my opinion:
Given what he inherited, Pike’s first five years were as good as I could reasonably have hoped for
His next two were okay
The last two have not been good at all

 

[Scangg]

It wasn’t me. It was to a lot of us. We weren’t wrong. And it wasn’t that much of a minority. And now I’m wrong for having wanted a portal center?

It seems you're having some reading comprehension challenges here. Try re-reading and see if you can follow what I'm saying

 

[RUDivision]

It is fair to bring up when fans don't understand why he is playing and blasting the coach for playing him and we have data that shows we have been best on defense when he is on the floor. I think it is worthy of a mention and deserves an exploration.

Different scenario. We had a huge drop off of talent after our 1st 5 or 6 players. Ace and Dylan are NBA talents.....we are playing B1G basketball. I couldn't give a flying fvck what they do on the Indiana Pacers and Minnesota Timberwolves...different game.

This is an issue....I got JaMike for you....wish i had more. We have a culture problem right now. Sorry, but I am inclined to blame Ace and Dylan. Maybe I am wrong here.....i am definitely not 100% rational less than 24 hours after the loss.

I hear you

agree

valid point

our athletic department is a fiscal mess and we are a state university and about have a gubernatorial race where the primary winner will be the person who shows they can cut the most and lower your taxes. Schiano in helicopters not going to be viewed in a positive way

Agree 1000% here

The culture problem started 3 years ago and continues to be compounded by Pike and staff. Jwill is a Captain? That’s where we are?

Ace and Dylan are not a culture problem they stepped into a culture problem .

The Progam and culture left with Ron and Geo!

 

[darkcheck]

he also could have also been a non tweak injury in the NCAA game we won from being in the Final 4. If Myles doesn't get hurt we win the Houston game....that I have ZERO doubt.

Is it a stretch we win the next 2? Maybe.

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we lost that game with a big lead. A tweak or coaching missteps?

 

[darkcheck]

It seems you're having some reading comprehension challenges here. Try re-reading and see if you can follow what I'm saying

It seems you have a problem with my post even though you were right about Kiss and no one believed you. Boo hoo. I find it funny you do the exact same thing you accused me of, you threw yourself a pity party. I was simply trying to say the same thing you are, hype is BS and sometime you have to call it out.

 

[fluoxetine]

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we lost that game with a big lead. A tweak or coaching missteps?

Would your opinion be significantly different if we squeaked out the Houston game? “All else being equal” is always bullshit but Cuse did brick basically everything against Houston in the S16 so there’s a fair chance we would’ve made the E8 if that happened.

If this were the case but nothing else changed, are you in a significantly different place today? If so, I suggest rethinking that. Your opinion really should not hinge on the outcome of a couple plays.

 

[Scangg]

It seems you have a problem with my post even though you were right about Kiss and no one believed you. Boo hoo. I find it funny you do the exact same thing you accused me of, you threw yourself a pity party. I was simply trying to say the same thing you are, hype is BS and sometime you have to call it out.

Seriously, go back and re-read bc your responses don't make sense if you understood what was being said. It's not very complicated so not sure where the disconnect is 🤷‍♂️

 

[darkcheck]

Would your opinion be significantly different if we squeaked out the Houston game? “All else being equal” is always bullshit but Cuse did brick basically everything against Houston in the S16 so there’s a fair chance we would’ve made the E8 if that happened.

If this were the case but nothing else changed, are you in a significantly different place today? If so, I suggest rethinking that. Your opinion really should not hinge on the outcome of a couple plays.

Do you mean would I not think the program has been on a steady decline for the past four years? Do you mean would I not think Pike completely sold out his style this year? Not snotty questions but I’m honestly asking which opinion do you think I’d change if we beat HOU

 

[fluoxetine]

Do you mean would I not think the program has been on a steady decline for the past four years? Do you mean would I not think Pike completely sold out his style this year? Not snotty questions but I’m honestly asking which opinion do you think I’d change if we beat HOU

Again, the “steady decline for four years” thing is ridiculous, for one thing this team with all its flaws is better than last year’s.

Anyway, I mean your general opinion on Pike. You point at “one NCAA win”. My question is would having two (basically change 1-2 plays) or three (assume we win the next game) change it significantly?

 

[RUDivision]

Would your opinion be significantly different if we squeaked out the Houston game? “All else being equal” is always bullshit but Cuse did brick basically everything against Houston in the S16 so there’s a fair chance we would’ve made the E8 if that happened.

If this were the case but nothing else changed, are you in a significantly different place today? If so, I suggest rethinking that. Your opinion really should not hinge on the outcome of a couple plays.

This is completely fair but a coach who does not make that mistake in the Houston game wins the ND play in game the following year. That coach benches Paul late in season the following year late and doesn’t allow the Minnesota game to happen by playing Simpson when he was going good or calls a timeout to calm the team down instead of a deathly turnover.. That coach doesn’t have inbounds and substitutions problem their whole career.

So I hear you but changing one variable when the constant of the equation is the problem is the issue.

 

[darkcheck]

Again, the “steady decline for four years” thing is ridiculous, for one thing this team with all its flaws is better than last year’s.

Anyway, I mean your general opinion on Pike. You point at “one NCAA win”. My question is would having two (basically change 1-2 plays) or three (assume we win the next game) change it significantly?

Oh I think this is where we agree to disagree. I stand by steady decline. I don’t look for little nuggets or moral victories any more. That was for his first 4 years. I look at it as
Win ncaa game
Lost play in
Lose first NIT
No ncaa
No ncaa again but with more talent and having a worse record than the year before.

Simplistic? Maybe. Accurate? It’s my opinion I don’t ask for you to share it. I look at the results. That and I add in the lack of recruiting. The lack of player development. The Bless the Rains moment in Minne and the first crack that discipline, focus and accountability might be in question. Then the team quitting on the staff the last couple of years. No my opinion wouldn’t change if they won 1-2 more games four years ago. If they won one ncaa game in 2021, 2023 and 2024 then I would have a different opinion

 

[RUDivision]

Again, the “steady decline for four years” thing is ridiculous, for one thing this team with all its flaws is better than last year’s.

Anyway, I mean your general opinion on Pike. You point at “one NCAA win”. My question is would having two (basically change 1-2 plays) or three (assume we win the next game) change it significantly?

Floux

One tournament win
Lose play in
Melt down miss tourney
Losing record
Miss big ten tournament •. TBD

Last 5 years

 

[fluoxetine]

Oh I think this is where we agree to disagree. I stand by steady decline. I don’t look for little nuggets or moral victories any more. That was for his first 4 years. I look at it as
Win ncaa game
Lost play in
Lose first NIT
No ncaa
No ncaa again but with more talent and having a worse record than the year before.

Simplistic? Maybe. Accurate? It’s my opinion I don’t ask for you to share it. I look at the results.

Those aren’t the results. Or rather, they are small bits of information about the results.

The 22-23 team played better than the 21-22 team. The 24-25 team has played better than the 23-24 team. If you don’t want to accept it, that’s fine, but it isn’t really a difference of opinion; you are wrong.

 

[darkcheck]

Those aren’t the results. Or rather, they are small bits of information about the results.

The 22-23 team played better than the 21-22 team. The 24-25 team has played better than the 23-24 team. If you don’t want to accept it, that’s fine, but it isn’t really a difference of opinion; you are wrong.

How’s the 2022-23 team play after the Mag injury? How is the 24-25 team better defensively than last years team. Are you telling me you’d rather have a team ranked better in Kenpom or net than ncaa appearances or wins. I bet most fans would rather the ncaas or wins in the ncaas than “technically” better. The results are how the team finishes. Do we pick a national champion based on metrics or do they play for a winner and loser. You are wrong.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I remember the boarding lovinggg the kiss transfer but I was unimpressed with his tape. I thought I must be missing something. Then I fell for Pike saying he was the best shooter on the team in preseason. The red flag for future Pike off season hype

I told Pike the summer I think we lost Eugene that i was worried about our defense. He told me don't worry you will love Hyatt.

 

[fluoxetine]

How’s the 2022-23 team play after the Mag injury? How is the 24-25 team better defensively than last years team.

lol come on. How was the 21-22 team in Nov/Dec?

If we want to play that game we can make any team better or worse than any team. Nowhere does the word “defensively” appear in my post.

Are you telling me you’d rather have a team ranked better in Kenpom or net than ncaa appearances or wins. I bet most fans would rather the ncaas or wins in the ncaas than “technically” better. The results are how the team finishes. Do we pick a national champion based on metrics or do they play for a winner and loser. You are wrong.

No. In the moment I would rather have what you call the result. But that’s irrelevant. The metrics are a better predictor of the future. If I had to bring one team back to run it again, the 22-23 team has a better chance of making the tournament.

Sure, I’d rather have a mediocre team and get lucky than a good team and get unlucky. But luck is not a strategy and it’s also not controllable.

Your kinds of view is how people end up convinced, for example, that certain coaches who went on once in a lifetime runs to the elite eight are the next coming of Jesus Christ despite the entire rest of their career being mediocre.

 

[RUDivision]

lol come on. How was the 21-22 team in Nov/Dec?

If we want to play that game we can make any team better or worse than any team. Nowhere does the word “defensively” appear in my post.



No. In the moment I would rather have what you call the result. But that’s irrelevant. The metrics are a better predictor of the future. If I had to bring one team back to run it again, the 22-23 team has a better chance of making the tournament.

Sure, I’d rather have a mediocre team and get lucky than a good team and get unlucky. But luck is not a strategy and it’s also not controllable.

Your kinds of view is how people end up convinced, for example, that certain coaches who went on once in a lifetime runs to the elite eight are the next coming of Jesus Christ despite the entire rest of their career being mediocre.

Like Pike going on a once and a lifetime run into the second round against Houston? Not you but others believe him to be Jesus Christ using your same premise.

 

[fluoxetine]

Like Pike going on a once and a lifetime run into the second round against Houston?

When I say once in a lifetime I don’t literally mean something that specific person has done once lol. I mean a miracle run. For example taking a 15 seed that is rated like #150 and making the elite 8.

Having the #40 team and winning a 7/10 game is not a miracle run lol it’s just like a standard decent season

Not you but others believe him to be Jesus Christ using your same premise.

Can you find me one of these mythical people?

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Agree you don’t turn down two five stars but the poster made it sound like Pike earned them. Dylan’s mom loved Pike and wasn’t it that Aces Godfather was in with Knight. Now it seems they may have come here because they could do whatever they wanted to while here.

Uhhhhhhhh Dylan's Mom loving Pike........isn't that part of recruiting?
Ace's godfather in with Knight.....................isn't that part of recruiting?

 

[RUDivision]

When I say once in a lifetime I don’t literally mean something that specific person has done once lol. I mean a miracle run. For example taking a 15 seed that is rated like #150 and making the elite 8.

Having the #40 team and winning a 7/10 game is not a miracle run lol it’s just like a standard decent season



Can you find me one of these mythical people?

Ok, but for Pike that is his miracle run and the rest of his career has been mediocre. It’s no different than the Pike apologists saying he deserves more time because he won a tournament game. For RU alumni sadly that is a miracle run.

Please see any poster creating reasons or excuses to explain away all of the fundamental problems Pike has and continues to have ,, they must be religious. When asked why they think it will get better or why they believe Pike deserves another year? The most frequent responses are pray and hope.

If that’s not a group of people believing Pike is their version of JC I don’t know what is.

 

[RUDivision]

Uhhhhhhhh Dylan's Mom loving Pike........isn't that part of recruiting?
Ace's godfather in with Knight.....................isn't that part of recruiting?

Recruiting Ron and hoping to get Dylan into the program is definitely a recruiting move and kudos to Pike.

Being Aces godfather less so.

Pike trying it again with the Dercack brothers

 

[fluoxetine]

Ok, but for Pike that is his miracle run and the rest of his career has been mediocre. It’s no different than the Pike apologists saying he deserves more time because he won a tournament game. For RU alumni sadly that is a miracle run.

If there is someone here actually saying this then they are doing something similar but at least that one game is more consistent with the season as a whole. But again I would like you to show me this mythical poster.

Please see any poster creating reasons or excuses to explain away all of the fundamental problems Pike has and continues to have ,, they must be religious. When asked why they think it will get better or why they believe Pike deserves another year? The most frequent responses are pray and hope.

If that’s not a group of people believing Pike is their version of JC I don’t know what is.

His contact (and the fact we have no AD) dictates that he’s not going anywhere despite what anyone thinks. Obviously people here hope he does better because they are Rutgers fans.

 

[RU84]

Is it fair to complain about Zach Martini in the same thread and then have the same posters actually try and tell you in other threads throughout the season that "They have the best plus-minus on the team or that "they're in position on defense".....LMAO

We have the absolute fanbase that doesn't deal in reality.....they make grand statements about a team being NCAA caliber but one injury details a season for Mag, but there's no such leeway provided when a much more talented player missed 5 games and isn't 100% since he returned??

We have Ace Bailey unable to csrry non B1G players for 4 months and some posters saying the player isn't a Top 3 draft pick because "he doesn't play with maximum effort???"......if you ask these posters who does play with maximum effort, you get no legitimate answer....

The fact remains the same.....I live in a factual world and use basketball and logic on knowing what minimal money and NIL means....yet we have dumb fans crying about Cliff, or Spencer, as if there's unlimited money for everyone??

There are tough decisions that are NIL related....the staff does not want limited players, but that's what RU and we ultimately provide the staff. Then the same fans blame the coaching for lack of offense, shooting defense etc.

I'm not asking fans to agree, but sometimes the reason RU isn't competitive against the best in a Top 2 league, is because we don't win in football and that generates the highest level of donors needed to spread to other sports.

We have one of the lowest revenue bases, in comparison to everyone else in the B1G. I would imagine we generate the least amount of ticket revenue and donations in the entire conference.

The sport is changing folks and other leagues and fanbases are going to have to make difficult decisions sooner than later. Is this really THAT important to you?? If it is, find some of the wealthy people and convince them to bail RU out, because it's not getting better in either sport for RU, the gap is getting wider by the year......good luck blaming that on Pike, literally the only relevant coach in our B1G existence......

Agree on football bringing in revenue and donors but there are schools like Maryland and the Big East that get large basketball only donations as well. Hopefully we’ll have significant donors willing to do that for our basketball program.

 

[darkcheck]

lol come on. How was the 21-22 team in Nov/Dec?

If we want to play that game we can make any team better or worse than any team. Nowhere does the word “defensively” appear in my post.



No. In the moment I would rather have what you call the result. But that’s irrelevant. The metrics are a better predictor of the future. If I had to bring one team back to run it again, the 22-23 team has a better chance of making the tournament.

Sure, I’d rather have a mediocre team and get lucky than a good team and get unlucky. But luck is not a strategy and it’s also not controllable.

Your kinds of view is how people end up convinced, for example, that certain coaches who went on once in a lifetime runs to the elite eight are the next coming of Jesus Christ despite the entire rest of their career being mediocre.

My view is his one ncaa in 2021 doesn’t excuse the declining. It’s been trending to less good, to mediocre to less than mediocre ever since. You’re using net ranks and I’m using the end of year result. I’d rather be the net #15 and win a natty than the net #1 and get bounced in the sweet 16. Saying we had a bad year but a decent net is by definition a moral victory only.

 

[fluoxetine]

I’d rather be the net #15 and win a natty than the net #1 and get bounced in the sweet 16. Saying we had a bad year but a decent net is by definition a moral victory only.

I would rather be net #15 and win the natty than be net #1 and get bounced in the sweet 16

For next year, I would rather hire the coach who was net #1 and got bounced in the sweet 16

 

[Mholinko]

This thread has continued to remain like many others an exercise in finger pointing and blame game with no answers other than fire Pike

Nobody wants to talk about any of the other elephants in the room as to how we stop having these threads by having meaningful conversations about how to improve the athletic department as a whole as fans and donors

Hawk and numerous others including myself have brought up the subject nobody wants to look at when it comes to how seriously we are taking athletics going forward

Like it or not Rutgers is going to be at a crossroads VERY SOON not much different than Seton Hall is in right now... if you aren't ready to be competitive from a fans/donors standpoint from who you are competing with you simply WILL NOT be competitive on the field

We can't sell out the smallest football stadium in the conference and we are about to have an issue selling out the smallest basketball venue

Nobody wants to discuss or admit that they do or do not contribute to the athletic department... and I feel comfortable guessing that the most vocal critics on here and the ones blasting Ace and Dylan and the roster construction etc etc are the ones who did not contribute in a meaningful way and just want things to be better because they said so

 

[bac2therac]

This thread has continued to remain like many others an exercise in finger pointing and blame game with no answers other than fire Pike

Nobody wants to talk about any of the other elephants in the room as to how we stop having these threads by having meaningful conversations about how to improve the athletic department as a whole as fans and donors

Hawk and numerous others including myself have brought up the subject nobody wants to look at when it comes to how seriously we are taking athletics going forward

Like it or not Rutgers is going to be at a crossroads VERY SOON not much different than Seton Hall is in right now... if you aren't ready to be competitive from a fans/donors standpoint from who you are competing with you simply WILL NOT be competitive on the field

We can't sell out the smallest football stadium in the conference and we are about to have an issue selling out the smallest basketball venue

Nobody wants to discuss or admit that they do or do not contribute to the athletic department... and I feel comfortable guessing that the most vocal critics on here and the ones blasting Ace and Dylan and the roster construction etc etc are the ones who did not contribute in a meaningful way and just want things to be better because they said so

We don't have an AD or President so asking people to buy in is a fools errand

And our last AD was a philandering charlatan

We sit at the big boy table but at the lowest end with zero input...Rutgers has zero voice

Good luck

 

[darkcheck]

This thread has continued to remain like many others an exercise in finger pointing and blame game with no answers other than fire Pike

Nobody wants to talk about any of the other elephants in the room as to how we stop having these threads by having meaningful conversations about how to improve the athletic department as a whole as fans and donors

Hawk and numerous others including myself have brought up the subject nobody wants to look at when it comes to how seriously we are taking athletics going forward

Like it or not Rutgers is going to be at a crossroads VERY SOON not much different than Seton Hall is in right now... if you aren't ready to be competitive from a fans/donors standpoint from who you are competing with you simply WILL NOT be competitive on the field

We can't sell out the smallest football stadium in the conference and we are about to have an issue selling out the smallest basketball venue

Nobody wants to discuss or admit that they do or do not contribute to the athletic department... and I feel comfortable guessing that the most vocal critics on here and the ones blasting Ace and Dylan and the roster construction etc etc are the ones who did not contribute in a meaningful way and just want things to be better because they said so

I’ve given what I could to NIL and RU. I’m sure others here do but I don’t know if we meet your definition of meaningful. I’m not getting a HELOC to donate. It doesn’t help that only KOR does meaningful work. And sadly that doesn’t get you priority points or even a tax deduction. It seems the university and staff have to step up. Do more to recruit donors, especially whales. Schiano seems to.

 

[RUDivision]

This thread has continued to remain like many others an exercise in finger pointing and blame game with no answers other than fire Pike

Nobody wants to talk about any of the other elephants in the room as to how we stop having these threads by having meaningful conversations about how to improve the athletic department as a whole as fans and donors

Hawk and numerous others including myself have brought up the subject nobody wants to look at when it comes to how seriously we are taking athletics going forward

Like it or not Rutgers is going to be at a crossroads VERY SOON not much different than Seton Hall is in right now... if you aren't ready to be competitive from a fans/donors standpoint from who you are competing with you simply WILL NOT be competitive on the field

We can't sell out the smallest football stadium in the conference and we are about to have an issue selling out the smallest basketball venue

Nobody wants to discuss or admit that they do or do not contribute to the athletic department... and I feel comfortable guessing that the most vocal critics on here and the ones blasting Ace and Dylan and the roster construction etc etc are the ones who did not contribute in a meaningful way and just want things to be better because they said so

All very fair and I agree with you 100 percent! No president or AD is a huge part of the problem. We need a president who at minimum values athletics. Most importantly we need a big time AD more so then any coach .

A big time coach and winning will cure attendance problems. Fortunately or unfortunately we are surrounded by options. Football, baseball, hockey, Broadway etc, People want to be at big events and if we are unwilling to provide that I understand the casual fan choosing another option.

I believe ppl are identifying the coach here because we see the writing on the wall and instead of waiting until the RAC is empty next year we need to make the necessary changes to ensure that doesn’t happen. Bring in a big time coach and stop trying to nickel and dime are decisions.

Why? To deliver on a consistent winning product and to fill the venues and provide a truly meaningful product. Instead we get stories of our history and what we were not where we should be in BIG time college athletics.

The reality is Big time college athletics will be bought by a Private Equity or Wealth Fund fairly soon. If we don’t step up now we will end up without an Athletic department or cast off in low level sports battling Monmouth and Rider.

 

[essexknight]

It comes down to recruiting. The current freshman class is strong. But, the 2021 to 2023 classes have been really weak. You can’t make up for that with one strong recruiting class especially when the portal has been a net negative by losing Cam and Cliff the past two seasons. Starting four freshman is not really a recipe for success in the B1G nowadays.

 

[Mholinko]

I’ve given what I could to NIL and RU. I’m sure others here do but I don’t know if we meet your definition of meaningful. I’m not getting a HELOC to donate. It doesn’t help that only KOR does meaningful work. And sadly that doesn’t get you priority points or even a tax deduction. It seems the university and staff have to step up. Do more to recruit donors, especially whales. Schiano seems to.

I am not asking anyone to say what they contribute I by no means took out a second mortgage either... I donated what I could to the athletic endeavors of my alma mater

What I don't respect or have time for as a fan and supporter of the school is people on here sitting behind their monitors blasting the school, coaches and players for their shortcomings when they do absolutely zero to change it

And that includes season ticket holders who think their pay for tickets is their contribution... wrong