Good fact/point here
I would venture to say that "RU market" is going to be pro sports 1st as compared to most of the teams in the B1G , SEC and ACC where their "extra" $$$ go to their alma maters
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Good fact/point here
I would venture to say that "RU market" is going to be pro sports 1st as compared to most of the teams in the B1G , SEC and ACC where their "extra" $$$ go to their alma maters
Please stop this finger pointing at Pat Hobbs, Hobbs was an employee of RU and the coaches are hired to work at RU.....it is NOT the schools employees responsibility to ensure RU is funded properly, it is up to you, myself and everyone that reads this board and beyond.
If you stop listening to the old alumni who are on Twitter kissing the feet of UConn, and wasting time discussing Ivy League nonsense, you would be much better off. Stop lying to yourself and ignoring the problems start and end with football and it's lack of productivity, lack of delivering wins and ultimately, lack of branding and marketing.
We have no idea what's going on with football, but it's suddenly chic to discuss the only thing relevant about RU sports which is RU mens hoops......There is a larger problem being ignored by hiring Robb Smith for a 3rd time as defensive coordinator.....but because people are actually numb and don't actually appear to be able to find time to tweet about the actual engine in football, we are stuck in neutral trying to figure out what exactly?? Why we don't have funds for hoops players??
My question to you and others....if a coach like Rick Pitino, Nick Saban, Steve Spurrier, Jim Harbaugh or any big time coach came to RU, do you think that coach would say "it's on me, to coach up B-minus to C+ players??.
Pike should say what is truthfully obvious and say, "the fanbase tweets a lot and posts great game recaps, but offers no relevant information or discussion on what they're doing to fix it......Let's look at the donation amounts for NIL to get my staff some players, compared to the schools I'm up against like Ohio State and Oregon etc"......
The SEC didn't suddenly decide basketball was important, they were a distant 4th or 5th less than 7 or so years ago in conference discussion about hoops. What DID happen they have their priorities straight and everything else follows from football........ It doesn't mean Pike doesn't have things to clean up, but tweets about Pat Hobbs and Coquese Washington losing games, arent really relevant to the big picture and certainly isn't on the TV revenue sharing discussion going on about the B1G and SEC.
I know this fanbase sucks at donating in general. But Hobbs and Pike did next to nothing to raise NIL for this "once in a lifetime" basketball season.
If you want evidence of that, the mods here repeatedly claimed "the money was there" this past off-season to fill out a good roster around Dylan and Ace, including a good five.
They are clearly getting their info from inside the program. And if they were misguided in saying that, the program should have had them change their tune if we needed more, no?
It just smacks of incompetence from within the program when it comes to this new age of college basketball. How about they do the job they get paid handsomely for first, and then we can blame the fanbase if/when we're still in this position?
I’m glad somebody said it. The SEC didn’t decide basketball was suddenly important
Those schools and athletic departments generate SO MUCH money from football that they have an obligation now to be competitive in basketball because they fiscally can be
I agree with everyone the coaches and admins need to take some responsibility for the product on the field.
But if the “money was there” why didn’t we spend the money. We just decided we shouldn’t spend money that was allegedly available? Sounds fishy to me
Love the mods but I think it's pretty fair to question just how connected they are when it comes to RU hoops. Plenty of the info we've gotten has just been wrong so any of the current info we're getting I'm taking with a huge grain of salt.
We were told consistently the money was there in the portal. Now we're told Pike didn't do enough to raise NIL money. Which is it?
We were told that we'd sign with Nike and it would be windfall for RU. Now we are getting uniforms from BSN and can't even get adidas to give us some black uniforms for blackout night.
Portal adds we did get were praised as being great fits with almost no skepticism...ummmmmmm.
I appreciate the info always and they've been right plenty as well but it's why personally I don't consider some prevailing rumors around here (Lathan held Pike hostage, Mag wasn't injured and just quit, Ewin was a silent commit but then asked for more money) as questionable to probable, rather than fact.
I love what they contribute but more of their insider information has seemed wrong than right
Again I know it’s part of their job to bring out excitement and optimism the same way Jerry Carino has an obligation to before a season regardless of what they actually think or know… that’s what gets clicks and reads
But the truth of it is if you go back and watched every podcast or read every article able the portal gets or insider news they haven’t aged particularly well.
If we had $$ to get better players and just didn’t use the $$ then Pike should’ve been fired in August. If he chose cheaper players because he thought they were better fits than the better talents he should also be fired.
That being said… I call BS we had the money to do anything more than what we did. There’s a reason we ended up with players like PJ who had basically 0 power conference interest before we offered him … we ran out of money.
For the 15th time the data is out there we are a minor league university in the biggest of big leagues…
But for those saying Pike is the problem I do agree as well a better coach could’ve at least guided this team to a first round tourney exit
Program is a dumpster fire in a nutshell
This is 100% correct and exactly how college atheltics has worked for decades (see the facility arms race years and our current need for a "fieldhouse").
This is also why if someone said "the entire college athletics system needs to be trashed and started from scratch" I wouldn't really argue.
An easy argument could be made sports shouldn't be about "fans with the most money to spend dictate who is successful or not".
You can make that argument but ultimately it hasn’t been that way for awhile
dont blame Pat Hobbs...lmfao....i get it you dont lik Greg, im not a particular fan either but like it or not our donors LOVE him and he runs the athletic department right now because we have no frigging AD...the same guy you defend and the same ahole that extended Pike and then also threw his hands in the air about NIL
yes its Rutgers fans faullt..its always our fault and not the coaches, ad, players, admin, etc
guess what no shit sherlock, Rutgers does not have big money donor fans...they NEVER did...perhaps Rutgers does not belong at this level and is better off in the ACC or even lowers......oh god forbid I say that but its reality...you cannot have it both ways...Trying to force Rutgers to become a thing when its pretty obvious thats not going to happen.
If only Joe Six-Pack from the 2002 Class kicked in $20, we'd be awesome 🤡
Can we agree both sides are at fault?
We have some responsibility in THIS ERA of college sports to support our athletic department
If we don’t… well you can see already at some universities the situation they are in. Schools in each and every power conference are struggling across the board in revenue sports with no sign of a turnaround and strong evidence that their lack of funding correlates. Not just in B10 but all leagues
Can we get MORE out of our programs with stronger coaches and players for resources we have… absolutely YES but BAC you’re a smart guy and know you pay close attention to the top programs in hoops and probably football too. Do you see any universities struggling fiscally in the conversation of top 20-25 in football OR basketball … the answer is no
Do I think GS and Pike are the guys to elevate us to our max potential with what we do have available … no
What’s your point in saying this? If you’re in the camp of “I’m not donating money to the school because I donated tuition, room and board, season tickets” and that’s enough then just be content with where we are in football and basketball and leave it at that
The school needs to make a choice if athletics is important or not … if it’s not where going to eventually see ourselves out of the B10 because the conference will find a university and alumni base that does care and feeds their machine better than we do
None of this is true. Lots of unknown D1 teams with no NIL hardly at all and certainly no TWO guys being drafted in Top 3 to 5 picks are far better teams than us this year. They are getting it done because they have better basketball acumen all around. Our problem is Pike and his staff. That's it.
Which unknown D1 teams? The only non-power conference programs that are routinely competitive have significantly richer tradition and history than we do AND compete in a league with a little more forgiveness if you’re not ON consistently
Are you suggesting with a better coach and theoretically mid major level NIL that we would be better off long term? That’s not true for football or basketball and I think you know that
You’re probably just amongst the group that wants to complain but doesn’t want to contribute because you think it’s “wrong” to have $ involved in college sports
It's both honestly.
Short term: Rutgers, even with our limited resources (comparatively) should be able to compete more. Especially when our resources are more than nearly every other program.
How many programs are ahead of us? 40? 50 in total?
Long term: It's fairly obvious (and has been for decades) that the funding model of college athletics allowing fans to impact spending levels is a problem for Rutgers competing against the teams above us.
OSU or Bama can out spend their mistakes and minimize their down times.
Rutgers can't.
OSU or Bama will never have a NY Giants type downturn. They can spend (via their fans) for a new coaches, replace players and instantly snap back.
See Michigan Basketball.
Unless Rutgers is going to hit 100% on coaches and players, money will always be a problem.
Even 100% wouldn't fully overcome the money gap though.
And if even there were 40-50 programs only with a bigger budget … there are 10-20 more beneath us in lesser conferences that can overcome their lack of spending because they are in a league that will forgive shortcomings a little more
You can be the 40th biggest budget but if you’re 17th in the B10 you’re screwed
Example… this roster would be more successful in the Big East because the big east is less competitive
What does that have to do with the general state of affairs?
The problems we’re discussing existed before Pat Hobbs got fired. If he were here we still would be a bottom feeder financially
I just want people to agree that the LACK of that ^ happening is part of the problem
I didn’t say donate today. I’m begging the question as to why we’re in a position of not having the funding to have successful programs to begin with
Multiple sources on here claimed we “had” money and didn’t spend it. And others like you claim the issue is simply the coach and culture and roster construction. ALL of these things are tied to $ in some form or fashion
I don’t believe for one second we refused to spend money that was available BUT I also believe the current staff failed to optimize what they did have available
Double edged sword that leaves us trending closer to DePaul and seton hall and Minnesota territory than a Wisconsin
