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What makes a coach like Rick Pitino able to take a school, in just two years, high into the D1 rankings: opinions please?

Best part of Rick's NIL is the Repole $$ is recurring every year.

This contrasts to Rutgers, with this season's NIL windfall likely a one-off.

Nobody knows exactly but wouldn't surprise me if the NIL value at Rutgers and St. John's this season is similar, with the $$ Ace and Dylan are getting. Very different records on the court despite both teams stacking up the NIL.
 
Pitino has an unlimited budget to fill his roster. That’s key in today’s college basketball scene regardless of how good the coach is.
That has always been the key. You think players wanted to play in Kansas. They went for the pay.
 
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Pitino is an elite coach. Plain and simple. He gets his players to execute; not sure there is more to it than that. Somehow the magic is in delivering his message. His inbound play at the end of the game was a thing of beauty. Not sure I’ve ever seen RU run something like that.
 
The defense RJ Luis played vs Solo Ball in the second half was sick, completely removed him from the game. He's also completely emotionless, kinda scary.

That was unreal
 
Besides HOF - it appears you are looking for more expertise than I can provide; but this is my question - after he rehabilitated himself at Iona - why didn't some deep pocket school in the SEC or ACC that never wins, go after him when the opportunity was there. St. John's moved - and now a combination of a solid team and overall weak BE has them on top. At this point of his career he will probably stay in NY.
 
In a sport with no salary cap, the teams that spend the most money will (almost always) be the most successful. Period.

Seton Hall sucks this year and St. John's is good because Pitino could afford to pay Kadary Richmond $1M and Seton Hall couldn't.

Pike would be considered a "genius" right now if he could have afforded Cliff.
 
In a sport with no salary cap, the teams that spend the most money will (almost always) be the most successful. Period.

Seton Hall sucks this year and St. John's is good because Pitino could afford to pay Kadary Richmond $1M and Seton Hall couldn't.

Pike would be considered a "genius" right now if he could have afforded Cliff.
Funny how people ignore these things.
 
If he never did anything else but taking a true Cinderella team in Providence to the 1987
Final Four, he'd still be one of the greats
 
If he never did anything else but taking a true Cinderella team in Providence to the 1987
Final Four, he'd still be one of the greats
Weren’t they a six seed and they beat lower seeds until an upset of Georgetown in the regional finals who they had lost to twice previously? Obviously a very good team not really a Cinderella run unless I am missing something.
 
Weren’t they a six seed and they beat lower seeds until an upset of Georgetown in the regional finals who they had lost to twice previously? Obviously a very good team not really a Cinderella run unless I am missing something.
In the 3 yrs before Pitino arrived, Providence was 36-53 overall. 12-36 in the Big East. He completely turned that program around . His 2 yrs there: 42-23. NO ONE saw that Final Four coming
 
The full court pressure defense wears out opponents .On offense ball and player movement generates dribble drives to the basket and or short jump shots.St,Johns also is tenacious in getting offensive rebounds.Pitino is a great game day coach as seen against UConn where they were behind by double digits in the first half and quickly caught up by half time.In the last minutes of the game UConn couldn't get a open shot while St,Johns made clutch shots.They are now 21-3 and should be ranked in the top 10.
 
In the 3 yrs before Pitino arrived, Providence was 36-53 overall. 12-36 in the Big East. He completely turned that program around . His 2 yrs there: 42-23. NO ONE saw that Final Four coming
Gotcha. Yea he turned it around for sure but not like providence was never good. Historically speaking they have a very good history. You probably heard of Ernie Digregorio. Pitinos team had an all time great guard as well in Billy Donavan. To me I give credit to a turnaround. “Cinderella”is a bit of a reach imo. If that’s the measure then Tom young’s accomplishment was better imo. Now slimey Ricky won two natties so to me that’s why he is legitimately considered a great. Of course he did it at two of the all time great cheating schools in the history of college basketball. He’s great at nil. He has 40 years of experience with paid for rosters.
 
Gotcha. Yea he turned it around for sure but not like providence was never good. Historically speaking they have a very good history. You probably heard of Ernie Digregorio. Pitinos team had an all time great guard as well in Billy Donavan. To me I give credit to a turnaround. “Cinderella”is a bit of a reach imo. If that’s the measure then Tom young’s accomplishment was better imo. Now slimey Ricky won two natties so to me that’s why he is legitimately considered a great. Of course he did it at two of the all time great cheating schools in the history of college basketball. He’s great at nil. He has 40 years of experience with paid for rosters.
He's not a nice guy for sure. If he seems a little arrogant, you're not wrong
 
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He's not a nice guy for sure. If he seems a little arrogant, you're not wrong
He’s a great college coach. Definitely not disputing that and what he did at providence and other spots deserves accolades. I actual don’t dislike him I just get tired of people felating him tbh. People make mistakes. Everyone has their flaws. He was not good in the nba btw when his talent wasn’t great so not sure he’s such an x and o genius. Whatever the formula it certainly works in college and for whatever weird reason I don’t mind when St. John’s is good. UConn and Hurley make me wanna puke.
 
Not the only big factor.

How is Arkansas doing with the millions paid for Johnell Davis and Jonas Aidoo?

How about Kansas St with Dug McDaniel and Hawkins?
Calipari has been a better recruiter than.coach since leaving Memphis and UMass. Despite all the NBA talent at Kentucky, he only won one championship and had some embarrassing losses in the tournament. It's not that surprising that he's underachieving at Arkansas.
 
Pitino is an elite coach. Plain and simple. He gets his players to execute; not sure there is more to it than that. Somehow the magic is in delivering his message. His inbound play at the end of the game was a thing of beauty. Not sure I’ve ever seen RU run something like that.
That inbound play was NBA level. RU's never run anything like that because no one knows how to set screens or read defenders.
 
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The NCAA introduced the shot clock in college basketball in Rick’s first year at Providence, in 1985/86.

The shot clock went from 45-seconds initially to 35-seconds and then to 30-seconds.

I would guess the combination of a shot clock and Rick’s signature defensive pressure have been two keys to his success, along with being a good strategist and now having the portal and NIL to play with.
 



Don’t watch MBB much anymore but this was a nice read. Paywall but some excerpts.

From the article:

Pitino’s team at St. John’s, just like his teams at Louisville and Kentucky, and at Iona and in Greece, and with the New York Knicks and the Boston Celtics, spent early workouts going through individual sessions overseen by the head coach. Such one-on-ones are grueling to watch, let alone to endure. Fifteen shots in 30 seconds. Or timed attempts darting around stations scattered all over the court. Over and over. Pitino, the whole time, stands, hands behind his back, shouting directions until the player in front of him stands atop a pool of sweat. All along, every shot is counted and added to a tally. Those numbers, in part, determine how Pitino later decides who can shoot from where and when in what games. Sound strategy. He’s won everywhere.

But then came this preseason at St. John’s. Every day ended with an autopsy revealing a fatal flaw.

St. John’s couldn’t shoot.

“The lowest metrics I’ve seen from my team, ever,” Pitino recently told me.

This is what basketball looked like in bygone eras. There are caves out there with pictographs depicting men and women taking mid-range shots and long 2-pointers. Such play has been replaced by our modern analytic-focused game, a world where efficiency and shot quality carry the highest value. Rightly so. The most valuable shots are close to the basket and beyond the 3-point line. Fairly simple.

Only Pitino didn’t have such options. So, before this team ever played a game, he began devoting parts of his most valuable resource — those individual workouts — to players operating in what most other programs now consider no-man’s-land. Pitino’s 42-minute one-on-one training sessions began including 20 minutes of pull-up 15-footers, and mid-range shots off curls, and all variety of floaters. Many of the same timed shooting routines he used for 3-point shots were reimagined on the fly.

This is the same Rick Pitinowho, back when the 3-point line was first introduced, and immediately panned by many college coaches as an abomination, embraced the evolution. He put down tape on the floor and demanded his Providence players only shoot from behind those lines. The Friars eventually shot themselves into the Final Four and Pitino secured his place as a founding father in the game’s embrace of the 3.

Now he’s doing the exact opposite.

And then you go into a hallway in the bowels of Gampel Pavilion, following a snatch-and-grab 68-62 win over two-time defending national champion Connecticut, and you ask how does the same guy who modernized the game flip the switch back to peach baskets and set shots.

“It was easy to recognize,” Pitino said. “If (shooting) is not your team’s strength, but you’re great defensively, you gotta go with what you got. I’ve never had this type of team. So I had to change what I do.”

That’s about as uncomplicated as it gets. Except taking midrange shots and long 2s is one thing, but making them is another.

He’s not the only one. Opposing teams are stuck trying to figure out how to beat a team that is scoring nearly 60 percent of its points on 2-point baskets (best among all high-major teams) and holding opponents to under 44 percent shooting on 2s.

Pitino’s crude de evolution is only part in parcel to St. John’s overall success. Firstly, the defense is its own story, one with gruesome scenes of asphyxiation. Then there’s the maniacal rebounding.

But at the root, it’s the adaptability of finding different ways to win.
 
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Don’t watch MBB much anymore but this was a nice read. Paywall but some excerpts.

From the article:

Pitino’s team at St. John’s, just like his teams at Louisville and Kentucky, and at Iona and in Greece, and with the New York Knicks and the Boston Celtics, spent early workouts going through individual sessions overseen by the head coach. Such one-on-ones are grueling to watch, let alone to endure. Fifteen shots in 30 seconds. Or timed attempts darting around stations scattered all over the court. Over and over. Pitino, the whole time, stands, hands behind his back, shouting directions until the player in front of him stands atop a pool of sweat. All along, every shot is counted and added to a tally. Those numbers, in part, determine how Pitino later decides who can shoot from where and when in what games. Sound strategy. He’s won everywhere.

But then came this preseason at St. John’s. Every day ended with an autopsy revealing a fatal flaw.

St. John’s couldn’t shoot.

“The lowest metrics I’ve seen from my team, ever,” Pitino recently told me.

This is what basketball looked like in bygone eras. There are caves out there with pictographs depicting men and women taking mid-range shots and long 2-pointers. Such play has been replaced by our modern analytic-focused game, a world where efficiency and shot quality carry the highest value. Rightly so. The most valuable shots are close to the basket and beyond the 3-point line. Fairly simple.

Only Pitino didn’t have such options. So, before this team ever played a game, he began devoting parts of his most valuable resource — those individual workouts — to players operating in what most other programs now consider no-man’s-land. Pitino’s 42-minute one-on-one training sessions began including 20 minutes of pull-up 15-footers, and mid-range shots off curls, and all variety of floaters. Many of the same timed shooting routines he used for 3-point shots were reimagined on the fly.

This is the same Rick Pitinowho, back when the 3-point line was first introduced, and immediately panned by many college coaches as an abomination, embraced the evolution. He put down tape on the floor and demanded his Providence players only shoot from behind those lines. The Friars eventually shot themselves into the Final Four and Pitino secured his place as a founding father in the game’s embrace of the 3.

Now he’s doing the exact opposite.

And then you go into a hallway in the bowels of Gampel Pavilion, following a snatch-and-grab 68-62 win over two-time defending national champion Connecticut, and you ask how does the same guy who modernized the game flip the switch back to peach baskets and set shots.

“It was easy to recognize,” Pitino said. “If (shooting) is not your team’s strength, but you’re great defensively, you gotta go with what you got. I’ve never had this type of team. So I had to change what I do.”

That’s about as uncomplicated as it gets. Except taking midrange shots and long 2s is one thing, but making them is another.

He’s not the only one. Opposing teams are stuck trying to figure out how to beat a team that is scoring nearly 60 percent of its points on 2-point baskets (best among all high-major teams) and holding opponents to under 44 percent shooting on 2s.

Pitino’s crude de evolution is only part in parcel to St. John’s overall success. Firstly, the defense is its own story, one with gruesome scenes of asphyxiation. Then there’s the maniacal rebounding.

But at the root, it’s the adaptability of finding different ways to win.
Wow. Second glowing New York Times article on Rick in past 5 days. Today's article seems to borrow some points from post 36 in this thread, particular the three point play and Providence.
 



Don’t watch MBB much anymore but this was a nice read. Paywall but some excerpts.

From the article:

Pitino’s team at St. John’s, just like his teams at Louisville and Kentucky, and at Iona and in Greece, and with the New York Knicks and the Boston Celtics, spent early workouts going through individual sessions overseen by the head coach. Such one-on-ones are grueling to watch, let alone to endure. Fifteen shots in 30 seconds. Or timed attempts darting around stations scattered all over the court. Over and over. Pitino, the whole time, stands, hands behind his back, shouting directions until the player in front of him stands atop a pool of sweat. All along, every shot is counted and added to a tally. Those numbers, in part, determine how Pitino later decides who can shoot from where and when in what games. Sound strategy. He’s won everywhere.

But then came this preseason at St. John’s. Every day ended with an autopsy revealing a fatal flaw.

St. John’s couldn’t shoot.

“The lowest metrics I’ve seen from my team, ever,” Pitino recently told me.

This is what basketball looked like in bygone eras. There are caves out there with pictographs depicting men and women taking mid-range shots and long 2-pointers. Such play has been replaced by our modern analytic-focused game, a world where efficiency and shot quality carry the highest value. Rightly so. The most valuable shots are close to the basket and beyond the 3-point line. Fairly simple.

Only Pitino didn’t have such options. So, before this team ever played a game, he began devoting parts of his most valuable resource — those individual workouts — to players operating in what most other programs now consider no-man’s-land. Pitino’s 42-minute one-on-one training sessions began including 20 minutes of pull-up 15-footers, and mid-range shots off curls, and all variety of floaters. Many of the same timed shooting routines he used for 3-point shots were reimagined on the fly.

This is the same Rick Pitinowho, back when the 3-point line was first introduced, and immediately panned by many college coaches as an abomination, embraced the evolution. He put down tape on the floor and demanded his Providence players only shoot from behind those lines. The Friars eventually shot themselves into the Final Four and Pitino secured his place as a founding father in the game’s embrace of the 3.

Now he’s doing the exact opposite.

And then you go into a hallway in the bowels of Gampel Pavilion, following a snatch-and-grab 68-62 win over two-time defending national champion Connecticut, and you ask how does the same guy who modernized the game flip the switch back to peach baskets and set shots.

“It was easy to recognize,” Pitino said. “If (shooting) is not your team’s strength, but you’re great defensively, you gotta go with what you got. I’ve never had this type of team. So I had to change what I do.”

That’s about as uncomplicated as it gets. Except taking midrange shots and long 2s is one thing, but making them is another.

He’s not the only one. Opposing teams are stuck trying to figure out how to beat a team that is scoring nearly 60 percent of its points on 2-point baskets (best among all high-major teams) and holding opponents to under 44 percent shooting on 2s.

Pitino’s crude de evolution is only part in parcel to St. John’s overall success. Firstly, the defense is its own story, one with gruesome scenes of asphyxiation. Then there’s the maniacal rebounding.

But at the root, it’s the adaptability of finding different ways to win.
This is the kind of adjustment that separates good teams from mediocre ones.
 
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Gotcha. Yea he turned it around for sure but not like providence was never good. Historically speaking they have a very good history. You probably heard of Ernie Digregorio. Pitinos team had an all time great guard as well in Billy Donavan. To me I give credit to a turnaround. “Cinderella”is a bit of a reach imo. If that’s the measure then Tom young’s accomplishment was better imo. Now slimey Ricky won two natties so to me that’s why he is legitimately considered a great. Of course he did it at two of the all time great cheating schools in the history of college basketball. He’s great at nil. He has 40 years of experience with paid for rosters.
I thought the Louisville NC doesn’t count ?
 
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