What was the logic with bringing in Allen today?

[ru75]

This does not come up in NFL Strategy so I am at a loss to understand why Ash would bring in Allen, the least experienced QB on the roster? The game was still close. Can Oden still redshirt? Can Gio redshirt? Rettig can handoff as well as anyone. I need some help here.

 

[RUsojo]

I thought they were doing so to go to a power running game to kill the clock. I believe Allen missed his read on the Grant give and should've kept the ball for a big play. Of all the times to bring Allen in that was not one of them - if you choose not to run the ball behind the sticks. IMO Mehringer didn't stick to his guns and/or couldn't make up his mind.

 

[Rutgers Chris]

I thought they were doing so to go to a power running game to kill the clock. I believe Allen missed his read on the Grant give and should've kept the ball for a big play. Of all the times to bring Allen in that was not one of them - if you choose not to run the ball behind the sticks. IMO Mehringer didn't stick to his guns and/or couldn't make up his mind.

Lucas said on the radio Laviano was hurt. Came back out with hand taped

 

[miketd1]

QBs don't enter/leave a game on a whim. It's all pre-planned according to situation.

Unless you're Spurrier of course.

 

[bitnez]

Ash said post game that Allen earned the snaps, CL missed some short easy throws (or something to that effect) and that he wanted to give Allen a look.

My take - weird spot to put the kid in but at least it showed a willingness to give someone a look even if it was brief

 

[theRU]

i think the hope was that bringing in an unknown QB would cause NM to stop stacking the box. They kept stacking the box anyway and all we really did was run.

 

[Extra Point]

I was thinking that Ash realized that NM's offense was tired and that our defense would not allow them to score again, and tried running plays that Allen had prepared for. It almost lost the field goal, his ball was almost intercepted. I didn't know that Laviano got hurt.

 

[bethlehemfan]

I liked it.

 

[higgins3]

If Laviano was hurt that is one thing.

To take him out when he was in the whole game, that would be foolish. If you were at the 20 and wanted a stronger arm, sure, try someone else. Inside the 30, why change?

So weird.

 

[mildone]

If Laviano was injured, fine. If not, then it seemed like a very strange decision.

Up until that point, I thought the coaching staff did a great job of making adjustments and improving throughout most of the game. Again.

Really need to start stronger.

 

[bac2therac]

I liked it.

i didnt mind it, our offense was stagnent and it threw out a new wrinkle...they took a chance and it didnt work but they were willing to try something new

 

[PeteGiam07]

radio said Lavaino had his left hand taped... relax

 

[Caliknight]

Bring in a new QB any time I say. What do we have to lose.

 

[ru75]

Bring in a new QB any time I say. What do we have to lose.

But why Allen and not Gio or Oden?

 

[mildone]

But why Allen and not Gio or Oden?

It was a very strange decision. Even if Laviano was injured.

I understand not playing Oden. Ash has made it very clear Oden's not ready yet.

But why not Gio? Is not like Allen has played QB in several years (at least). Just very strange.

 

[MADHAT1]

But why Allen and not Gio or Oden?

Could be Ash wanted to see how he played under game pressure and against NM was the best time to do it.

 

[bitnez]

radio said Lavaino had his left hand taped... relax

Ash said nothing about CL being injured in his post game presser

 

[ru75]

Could be Ash wanted to see how he played under game pressure and against NM was the best time to do it.

If so, he was very confident in the D's ability to stop them

 

[mildone]

If so, he was very confident in the D's ability to stop them

I know, right? I was baffled, particularly since Laviano was wandering around the sideline. So whatever injury he had didn't seem as if it was too terribly serious.

I'll say this much. We now know why Laviano is starting over Allen. The offense seemed to fall apart for those two series.

 

[bitnez]

I know, right? I was baffled, particularly since Laviano was wandering around the sideline. So whatever injury he had didn't seem as if it was too terribly serious.

I'll say this much. We now know why Laviano is starting over Allen. The offense seemed to fall apart for those two series.

A week or two of first team reps in practice can improve a lot of the disjointed plays we saw when Allen was in there.

 

[greenknight]

Ash said post game that Allen earned the snaps, CL missed some short easy throws (or something to that effect) and that he wanted to give Allen a look.

My take - weird spot to put the kid in but at least it showed a willingness to give someone a look even if it was brief

Because Laviano can't throw a 10 yd out to wide open receivers. CA is auditioning QBS he needs one that doesn't suck

 

[Caliknight]

You can't say the offense is less effective with Allen unless we see a lot more of him. The sample size is way too small.

The one over throw to the end zone appears that he has a fine throwing motion and throws a decent ball. I'd like to see more of it. Obviously more of a run threat.

One thing is obvious. Laviano's days are numbered. The kid has had more opportunity than any QB I've ever seen.

 

[WGLTAUD]

im not confused as to why Laviano was replaced, but who replaced him.

I'm Glad Ash gave someone a look.

 

[ru-baby]

wasnt it one series?

The throw by allen to the end zone was long but looked as good or better than cl. Odd choice of timing and would have liked oden or rettig if were actually gonna throw the ball

 

[mildone]

Laviano missed some easy throws, made a couple good ones. Not good enough. But he also protected the ball today. He will start the Iowa game, but over the course of the next three games, we will likely see other QBs because the way our OL is playing right now, a non-mobile QB is going to get killed out there.

 

[runuts]

It was a very strange decision. Even if Laviano was injured.

I understand not playing Oden. Ash has made it very clear Oden's not ready yet.

But why not Gio? Is not like Allen has played QB in several years (at least). Just very strange.

Heard Ash on the radio after the game he said Allen had the best practice week of the backup QB's and they have to earn it. No word of any injury they were a bit stale and wanted to send a massage basically.

 

[RU848789]

As mediocre as Laviano is and was during this game, he still played great during that 2Q, throwing some very nice balls, including the perfect strike TD bomb, which turned the game around. Which is why I was dumbfounded that we'd bring in a completely untested QB in the 4Q, up less than one score, and have him almost eff up the game by making a poor pass that almost got intercepted.

Even if CL was injured, bring in Gio or TO, who at least got reps last week. Bad coaching there vs. the rest of the game, where I was pretty happy with the coaching (except for the part where we continue to suck in the 1Q of every game).

 

[bitnez]

As mediocre as Laviano is and was during this game, he still played great during that 2Q, throwing some very nice balls, including the perfect strike TD bomb, which turned the game around. Which is why I was dumbfounded that we'd bring in a completely untested QB in the 4Q, up less than one score, and have him almost eff up the game by making a poor pass that almost got intercepted.

Even if CL was injured, bring in Gio or TO, who at least got reps last week. Bad coaching there vs. the rest of the game, where I was pretty happy with the coaching (except for the part where we continue to suck in the 1Q of every game).

I really don't want to pile on CL but are you sure he played "great" in the second quarter? He threw a really nice ball on the bomb (first play of the series) but he had no hand in the other two scores -- 80 yard TD run and a punt return for TD.

 

[TM514]

I dont like the new offense system at all. No huddle, no time off clock, and snaps with 15-20 left on play clock. Why not do some regular plays to accomodate Laviamo and Rettig strengths?

 

[cRURah]

Did you guys miss Ash getting right in Laviano's face after the previous series when he couldn't hit the side of a barn on a 5 yard screen pass? Ash sat him the next series even though the game was on the line to make a point. Give the man credit for balls and sticking to his guns.

 

[RU848789]

I really don't want to pile on CL but are you sure he played "great" in the second quarter? He threw a really nice ball on the bomb (first play of the series) but he had no hand in the other two scores -- 80 yard TD run and a punt return for TD.

Well, he was 3-5 on the next drive, with some nice tosses, then yeah, there was the long run and the punt return, so those don't really count, but he was integral to two of the TDs and, arguably, his bomb and the other drive passes at least loosened up the D for our run game. Maybe "great" is overstating it, but he was at least good and better than he was in the rest of the game.

 

[ArminRU]

Watch Drew's press conf, he tells why. Basically Laviano was sucking do they bench him with the game on the line. Allen had the best week so they went with him. Unfortusntely Allen wasn't able to capitalize on the opportunity as all fans and coaches were praying for him to.

 

[ru75]

I know, right? I was baffled, particularly since Laviano was wandering around the sideline. So whatever injury he had didn't seem as if it was too terribly serious.

I'll say this much. We now know why Laviano is starting over Allen. The offense seemed to fall apart for those two series.

i'll give him a few more snaps before writing him off, n = 20

 

[PeteGiam07]

Ash said nothing about CL being injured in his post game presser

and Ash has been open about all injuries since he has been here?

Doesn't mean it is serious, but he was getting taped and stretched on the sideline.

 

[ponyfoot19]

The AD and the coaching staff were reading the game thread on this message board,and decided to appease the posters.

 

[greenknight]

As mediocre as Laviano is and was during this game, he still played great during that 2Q, throwing some very nice balls, including the perfect strike TD bomb, which turned the game around. Which is why I was dumbfounded threat we'd bring in a completely untested QB in the 4Q, up less than one score, and have him almost eff up the game by making a poor pass that almost got intercepted.

Even if CL was injured, bring in Gio or TO, who at least got reps last week. Bad coaching there vs. the rest of the game, where I was pretty happy with the coaching (except for the part where we continue to suck in the 1Q of every game).

Mediocre what game were you at if you throw the ball 27 times and complete 11 you suck especially against a team that is not good. He needs to be replaced he's more than played himself out of starting. His mechanics are terrible

 

[bitnez]

and Ash has been open about all injuries since he has been here?

Doesn't mean it is serious, but he was getting taped and stretched on the sideline.

Just watch the post game pressers. No coach would openly say his starting QB was struggling and needed a break to cover up a minor injury

 

[mildone]

Mediocre what game were you at if you throw the ball 27 times and complete 11 you suck especially against a team that is not good. He needs to be replaced he's more than played himself out of starting. His mechanics are terrible

Nobody on this board has said that Laviano's some kind of great QB. The problem we have is that it's not at all clear that we have anybody better. That we've played three different non-starting QBs in the past two games combined with how poorly Laviano has played in those games confirms, for me, that we have serious problems in that position group right now.

I'm hoping that another QB really steps it up in practice. But at this point, I feel like it's wishful thinking. If some other QB was killing it, they'd be playing already.

 

[KevH]

Did you guys miss Ash getting right in Laviano's face after the previous series when he couldn't hit the side of a barn on a 5 yard screen pass? Ash sat him the next series even though the game was on the line to make a point. Give the man credit for balls and sticking to his guns.

Ash seems to be running a real meritocracy. A good sign. Do your job well, get rewarded. Don't, and well...

 

[RUfromSoCal?]

To remind Laviano not to suck as much.....