Which lot are they putting the students in?

[RU4Real]

I've heard that at Maryland, students have their own section to tailgate in and it's one big party that cops just oversee, but do not interfere with. Apparently it's great. Rutgers should do the same.

Everybody else in this thread bitching at me and my group has insisted that won't work.

"Hamsterdam" was established. Apparently the walk is too far.

For 18 and 19 year olds.

Because apparently Rutgers is the one school in the country that believes the drunk 18 and 19 year olds should be in the lots closest to the stadium and the high-dollar season ticket holders should have the farthest walk.

Can somebody make sense of that for me?

 

[RUsSKii]

The thing is, it wasn't just the PSU game. It was the Michigan game and the Wisconsin game as well.

We don't see any "militarized police presence" in the front row of the Blue lot, where we typically wind up. I would suggest, however, that the use of that equipment is precisely the same as it is everywhere. I've asked the question, repeatedly, "why does my 6 man hometown PD need an MRAP?" The answer is because the government gives them the money to buy this shit and, cops being cops, they're gonna buy it and they're gonna use it for no reason at all. Bigger boys, bigger toys.

The University of Maryland has a policy around tailgating that makes perfect sense:

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PARTY AND A TAILGATE

• The Department of Public Safety differentiates between a “tailgate” and a “party” and a party may be disbanded and attendees removed from the lots.
• A tailgate has a variety of food and beverages, including non-alcoholic beverages, available in sufficient quantities for the number of people attending.
• A party has some of the following characteristics:
  • Common containers such as kegs, party balls, large containers of mixed drinks, beer tubs, trash cans of beer
  • Loud music
  • Drinking games
  • Underage drinkers
  • Lack of food
  • Large or excessive quantities of alcohol
  • Large numbers of people

The point being that they allow "tailgates", but they don't allow "parties". I see no reason why Rutgers can't have the same policy.

As for enforcement, I think where you and I disconnect is that I believe - and we expressed to Julie and Sarah last year - that with regard to those situations that are obviously "parties", there is NO REASON WHATSOEVER to allow them to come into the lot, set up, create a disturbance and then get thrown out after somebody calls the cops (or the cops call themselves). The thing that you and others refuse to understand is that is as far as our request / recommendation went. The "obvious parties" should be denied admission to the lot.

Where you and others feel that this went wrong is in the belief that denying such activities causes "all the students" to not go to the games. This is utter crap. It causes a few hundred idiots to not go to the games. And frankly, they never actually went into the games anyway. Between arrest, removal, intoxication and boredom, they all wind up being gone by the end of the first quarter.

Nobody is trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. I think that some are trying very hard to conflate one problem with another, which isn't right.

In my opinion, the quoted tailgate policy from Maryland does not make sense. I've been at well-behaved tailgates that had beer tubs, multiple rounds of beer pong and flip-cup, twenty people, and music that some may consider loud but was at a level respectful to the neighbors. My 20 y.o. brother (at the time) had a few beers with me and couldn't wait to go to the game. Are you calling that a party, which would be unacceptable by Maryland's policy?

And after the discussion/arguments last season, there seemed to be an agreement that these U-Haul pick-up trucks with hired DJs and boatloads of beer should not be allowed in the middle of established tailgating lots, UNLESS they had multiple lot passes that would justify the area taken up and were segregated from the remainder of the lot. I'm all in favor of finding a designated area for those particular parties to park and party away from the lots. EMS & L.E. could remain nearby in case of emergency and enforcing outright unacceptable behavior. A roped off, 'dry' section next to faraway Werblin that looks like a cattle corral is not the answer at all.

And you're kidding yourself if you don't think a noticeable l trend of more stringent police enforcement on underage drinking and harassment of otherwise innocuous student/young alumni tailgates (because that absolutely does occur) negatively affects those groups' attendance and contribution to the games' atmosphere.

 

[RU4Real]

And you're kidding yourself if you don't think a noticeable l trend of more stringent police enforcement on underage drinking and harassment of otherwise innocuous student/young alumni tailgates (because that absolutely does occur) negatively affects those groups' attendance and contribution to the games' atmosphere.

I hesitate to address this because I'm certain that it will reap me additional Retardation By Message Board from some people, but...

We as a group are in unanimous agreement with this. And we are, in fact, raising it as an issue.

There are too many cops harassing people for stupid shit. The young man in the group directly across from us got hassled / carded / lectured on Saturday morning - and he was with what appeared to be his parents. No music, no visible alcohol other than what was in his hand. The group of 4 20somethings a few cars down got the same treatment and they were being model citizens.

At some point, the police presence becomes pretty much pointless when they're hassling EVERYBODY. And in spite of the fact that some here are incapable of digesting the nuance of our position, we've been on your side of that argument from Day 1. As demonstration of this, I posted to Facebook a picture of @MrsScrew 's confrontation with an ATV cop (#BlondeLivesMatter).

Nobody wants to kill all the fun. We just don't want vomit on @ruhudsonfan 's $200 sirloin roast. It's not too much to ask.

 

[FanuSanu52]

Everybody else in this thread bitching at me and my group has insisted that won't work.

"Hamsterdam" was established. Apparently the walk is too far.

For 18 and 19 year olds.

Because apparently Rutgers is the one school in the country that believes the drunk 18 and 19 year olds should be in the lots closest to the stadium and the high-dollar season ticket holders should have the farthest walk.

Can somebody make sense of that for me?

Not much of a mystery: What the hell is the point of going out of your way to a distant lot to tailgate, then walking or shuttling over to the game when you could just stay home and "tailgate" and then take the bus over to the game (or just watch on TV?). At least if you're close to the game, where you're going anyway, it might make sense to get there early and tailgate. But if you're not close, you might as well party at home and walk to the bus stop. Which I thought was the point of the complaints - students staying home and not coming to the game.

Personally, I don't get the allure of standing in a parking lot 10 minutes from where you live on a good day. Speak from my own student days, all things equal (i.e. travel time/distance), I'd take sitting on my comfortable couch, drinking beer out of my stocked fridge, watching my full cable package on my big home TV, and grilling on my Weber, with no extra set up, over spending hours hauling a smaller, lesser version of that set-up to a dusty, exhaust-filled parking lot. The walking distance is the proverbial straw.

 

[MrsScrew]

I hesitate to address this because I'm certain that it will reap me additional Retardation By Message Board from some people, but...

We as a group are in unanimous agreement with this. And we are, in fact, raising it as an issue.

There are too many cops harassing people for stupid shit. The young man in the group directly across from us got hassled / carded / lectured on Saturday morning - and he was with what appeared to be his parents. No music, no visible alcohol other than what was in his hand. The group of 4 20somethings a few cars down got the same treatment and they were being model citizens.

At some point, the police presence becomes pretty much pointless when they're hassling EVERYBODY. And in spite of the fact that some here are incapable of digesting the nuance of our position, we've been on your side of that argument from Day 1. As demonstration of this, I posted to Facebook a picture of @MrsScrew 's confrontation with an ATV cop (#BlondeLivesMatter).

Nobody wants to kill all the fun. We just don't want vomit on @ruhudsonfan 's $200 sirloin roast. It's not too much to ask.

it was not a confrontation. I actually started my conversation with how I didn't want it to be a confrontation.

It was a discussion on why Rutgers PD cannot communicate with Rutgers Parking/Athletics on the appropriate positioning of cars and tailgate tents. ALL of us in at least the first 2 rows of Blue were there early and set up our tailgates according to the parking people. Our tailgate was set up at 7am. Tents placed in the exact location that the parking attendants wanted them. an hour later row 2 rolls in and sets up. Almost in our tent. We all joked, grumbled and went on. Until 9:30am when the RPD guy comes rolling in on his ATV standing up on it, parting his arms like he was Moses parting the Red Sea. All that was missing was the staff and the robes. Now he's requiring 4 feet of room for his vehicle and everyone has to move things around to accommodate. he keeps telling me to call athletics to deal with parking it's not his problem. the same thing happened in the Yellow lot as well so this is not an isolated Blue Lot incident.

the problem is communication. parking and the police need to make a joint decision on how the lots should be set up. and some common sense too. Is there anyone among us that would not dump their table and lift their tent out of the way should there be an actual emergency that required the use of an ATV?

#tailgatespacematters

 

[RUskoolie]

You want to emulate Maryland's tailgate policy? Have you been to a Maryland football game? Their tailgating was towards the bottom of the ACC and might be at the bottom in the B1G. What is described in their tailgate is not a tailgate, it's a picnic.

You are also lying about Michigan and Wisconsin. This problem started right after PSU and was noted as better by you and your crew for Michigan. I remember one in your group then complaining that the cops were harrasing them for Michigan/Wisconsin, which I found ironic and a bit funny.

And you are again lying about the police presence. You and your group demanded more police presence by crying to the AD after PSU '14. You got it. Now you're against it? Baloney. And not for anything, if you are spending $200 on a roast you don't belong in Blue my man, you belong in Scarlet.

If the AD is using your definition of a "party" to break up tailgates, then no wonder students are migrating towards College Ave. What student tailgates have the spreads of people in their 40s and 50s? Students might have some small food, have lots of drinks and music setup to dance too. 90% of student tailgates will be shutdown then. You guys have to learn to tailgate with them or you're going to kill our student section.

Stop meddling in everything and thinking every incident means a problem needs to be solved. It only creates a bigger mess, that is libertarianism 101.

 

[RU4Real]

Not much of a mystery: What the hell is the point of going out of your way to a distant lot to tailgate, then walking or shuttling over to the game when you could just stay home and "tailgate" and then take the bus over to the game (or just watch on TV?).

There were 2 primary complaints - that it was "too far" and that they "didn't like being told where they could tailgate".

Both complaints are more than a little infantile. Everyone is told where they can tailgate. That's what parking passes mean.

And the area provided is actually closer to the stadium than the furthest sections of the Blue Lot.

When you get right down to it, the truth is that they didn't like being corralled because it makes them feel like easy targets for the cops. There may be some validity to that, if the cops are going to immediately start checking every ID in the area. But in reality, it's not any different from what ultimately happens, wherever they are.

 

[MrsScrew]

no one on God's green earth requested more police presence. no one.

did we request that the 100 student parties be moved out of the Blue Lot that is no longer the party lot now that money has started rolling into tickets and parking and those of us that still donate thousands of dollars are in Blue? without question.

As stated above, there are still plenty of student groups in the lot that are not acting like idiots and passing out and peeing on the side of my car.

the same police presence is going on in Yellow so this is not isolated to Blue.

and we eat $200 roasts because we can and we don't do LoBro.

 

[RU4Real]

You want to emulate Maryland's tailgate policy? Have you been to a Maryland football game? Their tailgating was towards the bottom of the ACC and might be at the bottom in the B1G. What is described in their tailgate is not a tailgate, it's a picnic.

You are also lying about Michigan and Wisconsin. This problem started right after PSU and was noted as better by you and your crew for Michigan. I remember one in your group then complaining that the cops were harrasing them for Michigan/Wisconsin, which I found ironic and a bit funny.

And you are again lying about the police presence. You and your group demanded more police presence by crying to the AD after PSU '14. You got it. Now you're against it? Baloney. And not for anything, if you are spending $200 on a roast you don't belong in Blue my man, you belong in Scarlet.

If the AD is using your definition of a "party" to break up tailgates, then no wonder students are migrating towards College Ave. What student tailgates have the spreads of people in their 40s and 50s? Students might have some small food, have lots of drinks and music setup to dance too. 90% of student tailgates will be shutdown then. You guys have to learn to tailgate with them or you're going to kill our student section.

Stop meddling in everything and thinking every incident means a problem needs to be solved. It only creates a bigger mess, that is libertarianism 101.

If you want to call me a liar, then you need to do it to my face, and be prepared to back it up. There's plenty of evidence in this thread suggesting where and when you would have the opportunity to do that.

And we cook $200 cuts of meat because we can - and because we feed a lot of people.

 

[RU4Real]

Don't listen to @MrsScrew. She says it wasn't confrontational, but the rest of us were sure she was gonna get tazed. :)

 

[vkj91]

We should put them in the bubble. They will be close and nobody has to see them. Maybe even give them morning after pills on the way out as to not ruin any future tailgates with pregnancy.

 

[MrsScrew]

Don't listen to @MrsScrew. She says it wasn't confrontational, but the rest of us were sure she was gonna get tazed. :)

you missed it after the game when he came through again, looking for the 10 remaining tailgates to give him room for his ATV. @SouthernGentleman tried to bribe him with his BBQ rub.

 

[RU4Real]

you missed it after the game when he came through again, looking for the 10 remaining tailgates to give him room for his ATV. @SouthernGentleman tried to bribe him with his BBQ rub.

And you missed the conversation that your hubby and I had with the 4 cops watching TV with us right before the end of the game - said cops who unanimously agreed that the guy on the ATV is an asshole.

 

[Upstream]

The thing is, it wasn't just the PSU game. It was the Michigan game and the Wisconsin game as well.

Wisconsin game? I didn't think any more than a handful of people tailgated in the freezing rain and flooded lots for Wisconsin.

 

[rurichdog]

RU4Real has touched upon the main "problem" if you can call it that. There is a police presence, and they see their role as stopping every single act of possible underaged drinking as humanly possible, no exceptions. There is no ability for them to lighten up, as if a college campus on a Saturday afternoon is a war zone that they aren't getting enough combat pay for. Instead of rooting out the obvious, they like to put their tools & training to the test and exact their control over the entire population. I'll stick to the gameday paid lots & Union Street for the foreseeable future.

 

[Upstream]

RU4Real has touched upon the main "problem" if you can call it that. There is a police presence, and they see their role as stopping every single act of possible underaged drinking as humanly possible, no exceptions. There is no ability for them to lighten up, as if a college campus on a Saturday afternoon is a war zone that they aren't getting enough combat pay for. Instead of rooting out the obvious, they like to put their tools & training to the test and exact their control over the entire population. I'll stick to the gameday paid lots & Union Street for the foreseeable future.

If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

A lot of the weather weenies want every rainstorm to be a flood and every snow event to be a blizzard.

And some of the cops patrolling the parking areas are looking for problems in otherwise innocent tailgates.

 

[e5fdny]

If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

A lot of the weather weenies want every rainstorm to be a flood and every snow event to be a blizzard.

And some of the cops patrolling the parking areas are looking for problems in otherwise innocent tailgates.

Bet I can guess what their patch looks like. LOL

 

[rube1859]

Wisconsin game? I didn't think any more than a handful of people tailgated in the freezing rain and flooded lots for Wisconsin.

Count me among that group...we had many cheeses we had to keep dry that tailgate.

 

[RC1978]

I just got a email reply form Geoff Brown ( great guy ) and he said all of this came up in their football meeting today and it will be addressed. BTW I emailed him giving him a heads up on what happend in the Yellow and Blue lots especially about the ATV's.

I hope this does not end up being the police telling the AD department " You do your job and we will do ours" . If that happens I would tell the County Police we no longer need your officers.

 

[e5fdny]

I just got a email reply from * Geoff Brown ( great guy ) and he said all of this came up in their football meeting today and it will be addressed. BTW I emailed him giving him a heads up on what happend in the Yellow and Blue lots especially about the ATV's.

I hope this does not end up being the police telling the AD department " You do your job and we will do ours" . If that happens I would tell the County Police we no longer need your officers.

This is a good OT gig that a LOT of local agencies (and their members) would like to wet their beak at. The message should always be for things like this RUTGERS Athletics as the agency administrator (the one who pays you) is in charge and if you don't like it we'll get somebody else.

* And yes he is.

 

[RU4Real]

I just got a email reply form Geoff Brown ( great guy ) and he said all of this came up in their football meeting today and it will be addressed. BTW I emailed him giving him a heads up on what happend in the Yellow and Blue lots especially about the ATV's.

I hope this does not end up being the police telling the AD department " You do your job and we will do ours" . If that happens I would tell the County Police we no longer need your officers.

The overwhelming payroll afforded to the MCSO is one good reason why you can expect that they were as cooperative as possible relative to the investigation & arrests last week.

 

[bac2therac]

its comical to believe that there is a large mass of students not attending games because of the lack of a tailgate as some form of protest...those people not coming were not coming anyhow and most of them are 100 lb girls who cant handle their liquor. The students showed up for Norfolk. They will show up for Michigan State and Ohio State. Some of you student types need to realize the parking situation at other schools and yes a lot of the tailgating at other schools is near dorms or in town. There is no rule that you have to have the best lot. The snubbing of Hamsterdam shows you guys are not all that appreciative. A few pushing the notion that RU should actually look the other way at underage drinking are totally out to lunch. Listen students tailgated for years in the blue lot and it really did not start to get out of hand until maybe the last 5 years or so. Why is that? I have my ideas but this isn't the thread for that topic. Learn how to tailgate responsible and no you don't have to tailgate with 500 people as if you feel the need to reenact a scene from a club or what you saw on tv.

 

[RUskoolie]

If you want to call me a liar, then you need to do it to my face, and be prepared to back it up. There's plenty of evidence in this thread suggesting where and when you would have the opportunity to do that.

And we cook $200 cuts of meat because we can - and because we feed a lot of people.

That's the good thing about the new boards. There is an archive feature. I only wish it was available last year...and you can cut out the internet tough guy act.

 

[RU4Real]

Listen students tailgated for years in the blue lot and it really did not start to get out of hand until maybe the last 5 years or so. Why is that?

I blame Julie. ;)

 

[RU4Real]

That's the good thing about the new boards. There is an archive feature. I only wish it was available last year...and you can cut out the internet tough guy act.

Whatever. I'm not confident you'd know how to use any new features.

If you're so concerned about that partiers, why don't you offer to host them in your fancy old bus?

 

[ArminRU]

This is gold. The same people who complained to JH about rowdy students are now being hassled by the police due to the complaints. The solution last year was to simply ask cops to address one off situations. This is why we can't have nice things. SMH.

 

[bac2therac]

That behavior is definitely not ever acceptable, but my point was I have never heard of the Blue lot being that bad and I think a combination of circumstances on that date (as I outlined in my prior post) is what led to those incidents (it didn't happen the prior 3 home games that year, did it?). IMO that night of poor behavior didn't warrant trying to reshape where students tailgate just to please some donors who got kicked out of higher paying lots and other donors who had a legit complaint for once.

Also, I am not talking about the cops on 4 wheelers - that has been going on for years. I am talking about legit militarized swat team style police equipment in the lots now and an increased police presence. Police watch towers, cops walking in front and now behind my tailgate with a look on their face like they're searching for a serial murderer...and there are no students at my parties. I see more cops in the Blue lot than I saw at an EDC concert where it's almost a given that everyone is on molly (not me lol).

Look at all of the comments ITT. It isn't a "few crazies" saying this. It is a legit problem that the AD is creating and they need to fix it - fast. Stop believing that you can force people to BBQ and drink in a certain area. Instead, hold them to the same standards as other people in the same tailgate lot that they rightfully earned to be in (either through priority points or paying up in the secondary market) and I think you'll solve the problem. Trying to force yet another tailgate space on the students and coming down on them harder with tickets is going to lead them to stay home (let's not forget the challenges every school faces with maintaining fan interest in the age of HDTV).

At the end of the day you, I and many others ITT are still going to be here supporting RU many years from now. Will Geoff Brown and Julie Herman be here to fix a potential mess they've helped create? Probably not. We need to be smart about this or we're going to be staring at a 50% capacity student section in the future and then arguing in those threads about how to fix that problem.

oh please stop being a drama queen with 50% capacity.....I am willing to be you a billion dollars on this

 

[e5fdny]

its comical to believe that there is a large mass of students not attending games because of the lack of a tailgate as some form of protest...those people not coming were not coming anyhow and most of them are 100 lb girls who cant handle their liquor. The students showed up for Norfolk. They will show up for Michigan State and Ohio State. Some of you student types need to realize the parking situation at other schools and yes a lot of the tailgating at other schools is near dorms or in town. There is no rule that you have to have the best lot. The snubbing of * Hamsterdam shows you guys are not all that appreciative. A few pushing the notion that RU should actually look the other way at underage drinking are totally out to lunch. Listen students tailgated for years in the blue lot and it really did not start to get out of hand until maybe the last 5 years or so. Why is that? I have my ideas but this isn't the thread for that topic. Learn how to tailgate responsible and no you don't have to tailgate with 500 people as if you feel the need to reenact a scene from a club or what you saw on tv.

+1

* But the wrong spot.

I can remember being sent to the Blue, Yellow and the fenced area by the Soccer practice fields as a student.

I also remember and agree with something somebody said previously in the thread about Homecoming...that's really the only time when we showed up (mid '80s) en mass.

 

[RU4Real]

This is gold. The same people who complained to JH about rowdy students are now being hassled by the police due to the complaints. The solution last year was to simply ask cops to address one off situations. This is why we can't have nice things. SMH.

Not sure how many times you have to be told how ridiculous that is.

Why let them get settled in, and do their damage, only to be told to leave so that they can disrupt 20 other tailgates on their way out?

 

[bac2therac]

I blame Julie. ;)

I will chalk up your miscue last week on some undercooked lo bro

 

[S_Janowski]

its comical to believe that there is a large mass of students not attending games because of the lack of a tailgate as some form of protest...those people not coming were not coming anyhow and most of them are 100 lb girls who cant handle their liquor. The students showed up for Norfolk. They will show up for Michigan State and Ohio State. Some of you student types need to realize the parking situation at other schools and yes a lot of the tailgating at other schools is near dorms or in town. There is no rule that you have to have the best lot. The snubbing of Hamsterdam shows you guys are not all that appreciative. A few pushing the notion that RU should actually look the other way at underage drinking are totally out to lunch. Listen students tailgated for years in the blue lot and it really did not start to get out of hand until maybe the last 5 years or so. Why is that? I have my ideas but this isn't the thread for that topic. Learn how to tailgate responsible and no you don't have to tailgate with 500 people as if you feel the need to reenact a scene from a club or what you saw on tv.

1) Who said students were "protesting"? They're simply choosing a different alternative for their pre-game festivities.

2) Of course the students will show for the first game of the season with beautiful weather and against big name opponents. If you think the tailgates only attracted a small portion of the students you're clueless of how it worked the past 5-8 years.

3) This so called "Hamsterdam" in front of Werblin is the dumbest idea ever. It didn't work last year and it's not gonna work this year. Not even sure why it's being called "Hamsterdam".

4) RU doesn't have to look the other way at underage drinking or allow the club scene 500 person tailgates. Do what the big boy schools do and let the students have their fun and go after the problem students/groups. Since these changes are making students stay in New Brunswick to tailgate unsupervised, Rutgers is just asking for more issues down the road.

 

[ArminRU]

Not sure how many times you have to be told how ridiculous that is.

Why let them get settled in, and do their damage, only to be told to leave so that they can disrupt 20 other tailgates on their way out?

Huh? This makes no sense.

You have a kid acting like a drunk moron around your tailgate? Tell them to leave or call over the cops

You have a frat tailgate around you that has turned into a 100 person rager? Enjoy it, but if you're the get off my lawn type, call the cops over and have them knock it down a few notches.

Know what the knee jerk reaction that ruins things for everyone?? COMPLAINING TO JH SO TAILGATING TURNS INTO NAZI GERMANY.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Listen...

I'd guess I've been in more rowdy crowd situations than most and during the PSU tailgate, I went to 4Real, Mr. Screw and one other guy who doesn't post here any more and I said, "I'm the only one who thinks this ends badly?" About 3 1/2 seconds later a bunch of State Penn Meatheads are about to knuckle up with a bunch of RU frat boy types. Aout 10 seconds after that, I had my arms fully extended to prevent one of them from knocking Mrs. Screw's little bar thingy off the pop-up canopy.

The State Penn tailgate was a ticking bomb. There was no "police them on a one off basis." The mere suggestion of that says you don't know enough about controlling a crowd to fill a thimble.

What is more important to you? A 8pm night game and an extended 7=8 hour tailgate against a heated rival or the ability to have frats get fall down drunk? Cause you'll never have both. It would be wholly irresponsible of the AD to allow those two elements to mix.

We were in row 1 or 2 that game, I don't recall. But as mentioned before, that is pricey real estate--even more so this season. We shouldn't be sitting there discussing forming a friggin defensive perimeter to protect food, gear and people.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Huh? This makes no sense.

You have a kid acting like a drunk moron around your tailgate? Tell them to leave or call over the cops

You have a frat tailgate around you that has turned into a 100 person rager? Enjoy it, but if you're the get off my lawn type, call the cops over and have them knock it down a few notches.

Know what the knee jerk reaction that ruins things for everyone?? COMPLAINING TO JH SO TAILGATING TURNS INTO NAZI GERMANY.

Nazi Germany?

What's with the dramatics?

here is a logistics question for you.

There is a student party raging in the middle of an aisle in the Blue Lot. 5 hours before kick, it's 20 people. The music sucks, but other than that, it's only mildly annoying.

4 hours before kick-off it has doubled in size and its footprint has "expanded."

2 hours before kick-off there are now 100 heads jammed together like Nite at The Roxbury.

Under your "plan" the cops are largely posted at the end of the rows. There is minimal foot patrolling in the aisles and no cops on ATVs.

After politely telling the kids to respect our space, they tumble into our table and knock all the food off (yeah, this happened at the PSU game).

Now what? Call the cops? the ones who aren't there? Street Justice?

The first 3 rows of Blue were packed so tight during PSU and Michigan that there is no way to effectively police that area. The crowding was directly related to 50+ person student parties.

 

[Knight Shift]

This is a good OT gig that a LOT of local agencies (and their members) would like to wet their beak at. The message should always be for things like this RUTGERS Athletics as the agency administrator (the one who pays you) is in charge and if you don't like it we'll get somebody else.

* And yes he is.

Why can't the County Sheriff operate under the same "rules" as NYPD and the West Indian Day Parade and turn a blind eye to minor infractions and only crack down on problems?
http://nypost.com/2015/09/07/cops-turn-blind-eye-to-blatant-law-breaking-at-west-indian-day-parade/

While visiting DJ Spanky in the Blue lot this past Saturday, a pickup truck full of students was spraying beer onto people outside their tailgate area. This is just asking for trouble. Some older gentleman complained, and sure enough, the police cracked down on the group.

Friends from U Cal that came to a game with me last year were shocked at the tailgate scene and they said that pre-game parties for students happened at the frats and sororities.

 

[e5fdny]

3) This so called "Hamsterdam" in front of Werblin is the dumbest idea ever. It didn't work last year and it's not gonna work this year. Not even sure why it's being called "Hamsterdam".

4) RU doesn't have to look the other way at underage drinking or allow the club scene 500 person tailgates. Do what the big boy schools do and let the students have their fun and go after the problem students/groups. Since these changes are making students stay in New Brunswick to tailgate unsupervised, Rutgers is just asking for more issues down the road.

Not a bad idea on paper but in the wrong spot.

And if you put it in the right spot the first part of your #4 can be handled.

 

[e5fdny]

Why can't the * County Sheriff operate under the same "rules" as NYPD and the West Indian Day Parade and turn a blind eye to minor infractions and only crack down on problems?
http://nypost.com/2015/09/07/cops-turn-blind-eye-to-blatant-law-breaking-at-west-indian-day-parade/

While visiting DJ Spanky in the Blue lot this past Saturday, a pickup truck full of students was spraying beer onto people outside their tailgate area. This is just asking for trouble. Some older gentleman complained, and sure enough, the police cracked down on the group.

Friends from U Cal that came to a game with me last year were shocked at the tailgate scene and they said that pre-game parties for students happened at the frats and sororities.

To all in the thread...

What is the * CONSTANT here?

 

[Knight Shift]

To all in the thread...

What is the * CONSTANT here?

Maybe the frats should hire Gabby Johnson to be on the lookout. . . . .

 

[rurichdog]

I think we can all put to rest this notion of "Hamsterdam" as set up by the University. Hamsterdam on the TV show wasn't set up so that the Baltimore PD could corral every dope fiend in the city and then bust them, it was done to keep all that nonsense out of the rest of the neighborhoods and contained it to that one spot. What RU has set up is a kindergarten playground.

 

[rutexan84]

Eternally grateful that the drinking age was 19 when I was an underclassman.