Which lot are they putting the students in?
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The police should obviously patrol the areas all day long, but they shouldn't actually bother people unless they are out of line.
Unfortunately, they have it all wrong. The patrol inconsistently, and when they do, they over enforce. Completely ass backwards.
And yes, the Country Sheriff are a huge part of the problem. Who are they? Are they even real cops?
So for the people in JH's ear, can you guys fix the problem? I think we're all on the same page here.
Enjoy 100 people playing deafening music in one or two parking spots while throwing up everywhere? No thanks. Want to have an underage rave do it where you don't bother the adults.
Fair enough. But the problem I have in this thread is the thought that, "you guys complained and now you're getting what you deserve."
That's absurd.
Tailgates like PSU and Michigan were unsustainable. Somebody will get hurt in that situation. And the minute some pissed off grown man drops a frat boy, there's gonna be a full on melee.
Yes, the cops are currently over policing.
Others are more plugged in. But my guess it is a clear case of lack of RUPD and the AD laying down the chain of command and properly briefing these departments prior to turning them loose into the lots.
And when little Sally freshman get blackout drunk, gets laid and reports a rape we then have both families suing Rutgers for allowing underage drinking at the game. Sorry can't have it both ways.
I have a problem with the students that show up to the tailgate lots with nowhere to go. They roam around the lots looking for free beer and food like packs of hyenas.
I tailgated all the time in college. We would secure a blue lot pass through the school. We'd get a keg and we'd have a group of about 20 to 30 kids that were our good friends and acted respectful and went into the game after the 1st quarter when the beer ran out.
We didn't pass out beer to any random student that went by and overtake our neighbors space. We drank and were respectful at the same time.
I tailgated all the time in college. We would secure a blue lot pass through the school. We'd get a keg and we'd have a group of about 20 to 30 kids that were our good friends and acted respectful and went into the game after the 1st quarter when the beer ran out.
We didn't pass out beer to any random student that went by and overtake our neighbors space. We drank and were respectful at the same time.
And for the record, we're not get off my lawn types.
We feed kids every week. We've let kids hang. Shit, one kid came back week after week (with a different crew of friends) almost all season. So, while we don't usually dig their music, we get along fine with students. What we haven't appreciated in the past, is the times there isn't a mutual respect--mainly over space. When you have a few grand in gear set-up and spend $500+ to feed 15 people, you don't want some drunk kids puking on your table or knocking your grill over.
We feed kids every week. We've let kids hang. Shit, one kid came back week after week (with a different crew of friends) almost all season. So, while we don't usually dig their music, we get along fine with students. What we haven't appreciated in the past, is the times there isn't a mutual respect--mainly over space. When you have a few grand in gear set-up and spend $500+ to feed 15 people, you don't want some drunk kids puking on your table or knocking your grill over.
The problem starts and ends with large groups of people attending a tailgate with only one parking pass (maybe two). It just so happens those are usually students who aren't forking up $$$ for multiple parking passes to accommodate their egregiously large guest list.
A frat party with 40 people and 3 parking spaces would be given much more freedom than the 50+ people hovering around one pickup truck in one paid parking spot but overrunning the tailgaters directly next to them and across from them.
Frats are typically douchily exclusive in nature so one would think they wouldn't invite so many people in the first place ;)
A frat party with 40 people and 3 parking spaces would be given much more freedom than the 50+ people hovering around one pickup truck in one paid parking spot but overrunning the tailgaters directly next to them and across from them.
Frats are typically douchily exclusive in nature so one would think they wouldn't invite so many people in the first place ;)
I actually misspoke. Technically it's not a "sirloin roast", it's a "whole sirloin". It's an enormous piece of meat, it tastes fabulous when properly grilled and looks like this:
THIS is what it looked like outside of our tent at the PSU game. You can see the photo was taken from inside out tent. They had no table. No food. Only a pick up truck that was empty for the first 3 hours we were tailgating, a 5 foot high speaker and a keg. It was still daylight so there were many more hours of craziness to come.
this is what a $200 beef looks like after it is masterfully grilled:
and then sliced:
this is what a $200 beef looks like after it is masterfully grilled:
and then sliced:
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Dear God, man! That must be a thing of glory when you slice it open.I actually misspoke. Technically it's not a "sirloin roast", it's a "whole sirloin". It's an enormous piece of meat, it tastes fabulous when properly grilled and looks like this:
That was a seriously big piece of meat. And kudos to the chef for bringing it home after a certain someone busted his thermometer.
I gave RU the spot.
* Ask a regular guy in law enforcement (off the record) and see what he says.
Again, what is the constant here? LOL
I also offered a solution for this too in this thread and in years past.
This is the kind of thing I do "on the side" at work.
And to add, if this is the area in the Green Lot at the Arky game a few years ago..IMO this is NOT the right spot...
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actually, people who don't donate enough park in light blue and tan or at the RAC. The Blue Lot is filled with people who donate plenty.. but thanks for your two cents.
I totally get he need to clamp down on the 'uhaul parties'. 100 students with a parking pass or two is not cool. I think there should be a Greek lot with appropriate oversight.
The Maryland rule book is a bit prudish, but something to think about. I don't have a problem with lots of liquor or kegs so long as those partying are doing it respectfully.
I also think the police presence is crazy. Also sheriffs are officers of the court, not police. Though in modern use are almost indistinguishable.
The Maryland rule book is a bit prudish, but something to think about. I don't have a problem with lots of liquor or kegs so long as those partying are doing it respectfully.
I also think the police presence is crazy. Also sheriffs are officers of the court, not police. Though in modern use are almost indistinguishable.
$200 of beef, grilled asparagus, classy wedge salad, and an aluminum of coors light? Something seems off. Can't quite put my finger on it.this is what a $200 beef looks like after it is masterfully grilled:
and then sliced:
And I hope that lugar sauce isn't going anywhere near the meat! :smiley:
Right?? That's what I said.
As for the Coors Light... some people bring stuff because they don't know what else to bring. I've had plenty of tailgates that ended with 4 cases of leftover cheap beer, after starting with none.
Spoiler alert. Little Sally freshman gets blackout drunk with or without a tailgate. There is no reason why a middle ground can be found here.
The "mutual aid group" can use a dentist. Play your cards right and you never know...lol
To clarify
That is what the sirloin would have loked like if it was choice...but it was Prime.
Second, you can't see the duck fat roasted potatoes or the roasted mushrooms with shallots in this pic
Third, that quart container in the fore is a horseradish sauce. I just happened to chuck that Luger sauce out of my garage fridge today. lol
As for the Coors Light, I was too busy fending off brigands on our rear flank to police cheap beer.
That is what the sirloin would have loked like if it was choice...but it was Prime.
Second, you can't see the duck fat roasted potatoes or the roasted mushrooms with shallots in this pic
Third, that quart container in the fore is a horseradish sauce. I just happened to chuck that Luger sauce out of my garage fridge today. lol
As for the Coors Light, I was too busy fending off brigands on our rear flank to police cheap beer.
The Frat party tailgating in better days :
Where is this lot and when was this done? I actually remember students saying something about a lot like this, but it eventually got shut down for whatever reason. What happened to that option? Seemed like a place where students could separate themselves from everyone else.
Regarding pregame at College Ave fraternity houses. Please give me a count of how many there are on Colfer Avr. I count about no more than 5 if that many
The University has basically tried to shut down much of the fraternity scene. In fact several of the Greek houses are sororities which usually do not have beer flowing. FB games do provide a good party option.
The University has basically tried to shut down much of the fraternity scene. In fact several of the Greek houses are sororities which usually do not have beer flowing. FB games do provide a good party option.
This area is not a named lot. It is the grassy field to the left of the Green lot, directly across from the Scarlet lot as you drive up Sutphen Rd to the stadium from River Rd. Fans that park at the Greek Church and the private yards just up the side street from the Church , often tailgate here. It's a short walk from the side street to this grassy area, and it's very pleasant, and then a short walk to Gates A & B.
This game was the Arkansas game. They allowed the students to tailgate here for a few games until things got our of hand. We tailgated nearby and had a good time talking to the students. It got loud however, and then the lack of enough port of johns resulted in the expected outcome (guys whizzing in the nearby bushes).
This game was the Arkansas game. They allowed the students to tailgate here for a few games until things got our of hand. We tailgated nearby and had a good time talking to the students. It got loud however, and then the lack of enough port of johns resulted in the expected outcome (guys whizzing in the nearby bushes).
+1, my responses exactly.
I think that most of us have a common understanding here, so there's no need for over-generalization or further inflammatory posts. It is clearly not acceptable for 100+ person student/frat parties to be falling-over drunk, fighting with rivals and disrupting neighboring tailgates, nor do the students find it acceptable to be corralled into a small 'party' area by the Busch gym where alcohol is flat-out not allowed. It is additionally not acceptable for Fred and Barney sheriff to Scandinavian flick their ATV's through tailgate areas full of people and question the motives of every tailgater who looks younger than 30.
I, as well as several other posters, have suggested what could be workable alternatives to the former that would keep high-paying Blue/Yellow/Scarlet/Green lot happy, while allowing students to have their fun and continue attending as many games as possible in large numbers...
Been in the Blue Lot since my frat days and still there. This is a never ending question. There have always been ebbs and flows to the rowdy behavior and the level of enforcement. One typically causes the other. I remember when kegs were banned and some said it would be the death of tailgating. As others have said there has to be a balance.
Yes, PSU 14 was particularly bad. First time I had a student wander into my tailgate and pass out.
Just because some student group can scrape up enough money to buy one Blue Parking pass on the secondary market doesn't give them the right to have 100s of kids overwhelm all the neighboring tailgates taking up surrounding space entirely. Then there is the overwhelming amplified music taking over sonically. And you can't say public underage drinking is just kids being kids. There are ramifications.
Party smart
Yes, PSU 14 was particularly bad. First time I had a student wander into my tailgate and pass out.
Just because some student group can scrape up enough money to buy one Blue Parking pass on the secondary market doesn't give them the right to have 100s of kids overwhelm all the neighboring tailgates taking up surrounding space entirely. Then there is the overwhelming amplified music taking over sonically. And you can't say public underage drinking is just kids being kids. There are ramifications.
Party smart
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And this succinctly sums up the difference in perspective. This is the logical adult position.
There are two different issues.
1. Where should official student sanctioned parties (frats, student groups, alumni mixers, sororities) be placed and what procedures need to go in effect to ensure compliance.
2. How should the cops be directed to act by the Athletic Department and RUPD.
It's a breakdown in logic to conclude that addressing #1 at the request of your biggest donors, necessitates a militarized response from # 2.
Why is the question being framed in a way that says, getting rid of out of control student parties results in cops making me move my pop up canopy 4 times? Who solves problems with such a simple minded approach?
Again, something that looked great on paper but in reality is not the right spot for the reasons in bold.
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If #1 is handled/packaged the right way the pregame "locker room speech" to the troops covering the other remaining Lots in #2 would/should be different.
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