Who do you want us to be?

[76Scarlet]

To me, people who think we will ever become some NC contender year in and year out are crazy. NJ's culture simply isn't willing to accept what it takes. Thoughts?

Stupid loser's mentality and a self fulfilling prophecy. If we all (RU community, fans, players, etc.) collectively think this then you are right..........we will never become an NC contender.

You do whatever it takes to win and the success of the program will speak for itself.

 

[rutgersguy1]

And I agree with that

That's not the type of thinking that critiqued the OP though.

Anybody who wouldn't sign up for Wisconsin results, academically and athletically, is a fool.

Yea I agree. Wisconsin has done it both in basketball and football and without stellar recruits too by and large.

 

[RU4Real]

Stupid loser's mentality and a self fulfilling prophecy. If we all (RU community, fans, players, etc.) collectively think this then you are right..........we will never become an NC contender.

You do whatever it takes to win and the success of the program will speak for itself.

This is the whole point of the thread. So your homework assignment is to find us anything...

ANYTHING...

Any sign at all...

That the State of New Jersey and Rutgers University are willing to "do whatever it takes to win."

Go ahead.

 

[vkj91]

Stupid loser's mentality and a self fulfilling prophecy. If we all (RU community, fans, players, etc.) collectively think this then you are right..........we will never become an NC contender.

You do whatever it takes to win and the success of the program will speak for itself.

You mean like email a teacher? Earth shattering scandal there........

 

[RUtrumpet92]

To answer the question that is the title of this thread:

I want us to be a perennial top 25-40 level program that expects to bowl every season. Every four years or so, I want the stars to align that we are a top 10 contender with aspirations of a dream season. I want our down years to be 6 win seasons. The Wisconsin level of success is close to what I mean, although their results have been a little higher than what I laid out.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

Yeah, I mean, I have no issue crafting my strategic plan on waiting for RU's version of Phil Knight to come along. Makes perfect sense to me.

In 2000, Knight was inducted into the Oregon Sports Hall of Fame for his Special Contribution to Sports in Oregon.[21] At the time of his induction, he had contributed approximately US$230 million to UO, the majority of which was for athletics.[22]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Knight

That was $230MM 15 years ago. I'm too lazy to look it up and your OU point is too dumb to warrant a real reply, but spitball what you think that number is up to now for the class

Jesus, not sure what warranted that response. I was agreeing with your point that it requires a 180 culture shift, but pointing out that Oregon is proof that it can happen in the right circumstances. I said nothing of "crafting any strategic plan based on finding a hundred million dollar donor," nor did I make any point to be dumb. I even said "Its unlikely, but it can happen, and look at Maryland now, because they are going the same place." Really, I just wanted to point out that nothing is impossible, it can happen if the right guy comes along.

 

[RU4Real]

Not sure what warranted that response. I wasn't arguing with you, just used your post as a jumping off point to say that Oregon is proof that a complete culture shift can happen in the right circumstances. I said nothing of "crafting any strategic plan based on finding a hundred million dollar donor," nor did I make any point to be dumb. I even said "Its unlikely, but it can happen, and look at Maryland now, because they are going the same place." Really, I just wanted to point out that nothing is impossible, it can happen if the right guy comes along.

And if Anne Hathaway comes along and insists that I do sex with her, then she could have my kids.

The point being that the speculation about "the right person coming along", a la Phil Knight, just isn't reasonable.

 

[e5fdny]

And if Anne Hathaway comes along and insists that I do sex with her, then she could have my kids.

The point being that the speculation about "the right person coming along", a la Phil Knight, just isn't reasonable.

Well to kinda agree with Old Cabbagehead...

I bet nobody in Eugene at the time thought it was going to happen either (Phil Knight's largesse).

Never is a strong word.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

And if Anne Hathaway comes along and insists that I do sex with her, then she could have my kids.

The point being that the speculation about "the right person coming along", a la Phil Knight, just isn't reasonable.

Totally. My point was stupidly simple. I just don't like the whole "never" and "impossible" point of view, that no one will ever be able to rise up and compete with the college football blue bloods. A lot of people seem to accept that as fact. I think Rutgers could become an elite team given our location and visibility to high net worth -- given some time and the right circumstances. Maryland found their guy... we could find ours at any time.

I could have used some other schools as well, but the thing about Oregon is that they were bad, Rutgers bad, for forever, and the whole thing changed. No one expects them to not remain at the top now.

 

[RU4Real]

Well to kinda agree with Old Cabbagehead...

I bet nobody in Eugene at the time thought it was going to happen either (Phil Knight's largesse).

Never is a strong word.

First, all this talk about Phil Knight really proves our point more than disproves it. If Rutgers were to have a guy donate all that money, it would be awesome, and yes - it would make a material difference in the trajectory of the program.

But Phil is no "fly by Knight" donor. He didn't donate the $230 million all at once. He is credited with having donated $230 million prior to his induction into the Oregon Sports Hall of Fame. He's since donated another $70 million. He's also donated more than $100 million to Stanford's GSB.

Right now, we don't have a Phil Knight. We don't even have a Ted Knight. Because among the things we know is that Rutgers alumni have a minimized allegiance to the school as compared to other "top 10" programs, our donations don't even come close to comparing to the OSUs and UMs of the world and there is a LOT of work that needs to be done to effect a massive cultural change in order to get Big 10-caliber donations out of the people we do have, now and going forward.

We're talking around each other here. What @ruhudsonfan and I have been saying is that for Rutgers to become a top program, as some in this thread insist we can be, there needs to be an incredible - dare I say "unprecedented" paradigm shift vis a vis alumni giving, along with the various other elements of the support structure required to be a National Championship kind of program.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Jesus, not sure what warranted that response. I was agreeing with your point that it requires a 180 culture shift, but pointing out that Oregon is proof that it can happen in the right circumstances. I said nothing of "crafting any strategic plan based on finding a hundred million dollar donor," nor did I make any point to be dumb. I even said "Its unlikely, but it can happen, and look at Maryland now, because they are going the same place." Really, I just wanted to point out that nothing is impossible, it can happen if the right guy comes along.

In that case, I apologize for calling your comment dumb. I misread your inference.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

In that case, I apologize for calling your comment dumb. I misread your inference.

No worries. I didn't read the whole thread...shame on me for that. I think I got involved in an argument that I never wanted to be in. I should probably just get back to work now.

 

[RUGT]

We're talking around each other here. What @ruhudsonfan and I have been saying is that for Rutgers to become a top program, as some in this thread insist we can be, there needs to be an incredible - dare I say "unprecedented" paradigm shift vis a vis alumni giving, along with the various other elements of the support structure required to be a National Championship kind of program.

I am very confused why you think that? A Very good coaching staff can be had for ~5 million per year, which is a small percentage of future B1G payouts. It's not like we will need to pay for the staff on alumni donations in the future, and an incontrovertible truth is that winning in FB drastically increases donations and ticket revenue.

So why do you think that Alumni giving is some prerequisite to doing well? All it takes is a good coach (simple, obviously not easy), but some people are making it seem like we need the entire state, media, legislature, faculty, and alumni... I just don't see the logic behind that line of argumentation.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Obviously, if RU spawns a billionaire who comes in and writes a $300MM check for athletics, this entire conversation is moot.

If that were going to happen, it would have happened sometime in the last 10 and certainly within the last 3 years. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, we sit here with our pudds in hands unable to raise $1MM bucks to get a legit head coach.

The type of individual donor that makes the 4 impediments I raised earlier irrelevant, is worth AT LEAST $500MM dollars. Rutgers has graduated exactly 1 billionaire in our existence--and wouldn't be our luck he hates the friggin place.

Secondly, the donor needs to be in the sunset of his life. Other than the UA guy at Maryland, these donors don't write 8 and 9 figure checks with 40, 50 years of life left.

So where is this Scarlet Knight coming from?

Odds are, he/she is in grammar school or maybe not even born yet. Bingo bango that is 50 years...

And as 4Real points out, even guys like T. Boone and Phil Knight, give their money in spurts. They don't open the checkbook and write a 9 figure check, drop it off at the RAC and head to Cracker Barrel for dinner.

Which brings us BACK to the 4 impediments I insist are mission critical to getting to the Top 10/20.

1. State legislature

2. RU administration

3. Cultivation of big donors

4. Hostile media

I'll leave out the faculty, as they can be ignored.

WIthout a plan to deal with 3 of these things, we're shooting for Iowa results.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

I am very confused why you think that? A Very good coaching staff can be had for ~5 million per year, which is a small percentage of future B1G payouts. It's not like we will need to pay for the staff on alumni donations in the future, and an incontrovertible truth is that winning in FB drastically increases donations and ticket revenue.

So why do you think that Alumni giving is some prerequisite to doing well? All it takes is a good coach (simple, obviously not easy), but some people are making it seem like we need the entire state, media, legislature, faculty, and alumni... I just don't see the logic behind that line of argumentation.

That's all it takes?

You ever see the facilities at OSU, UM, LSU, Bama, Auburn or Oregon?

If all it "takes" is Urban Meyer, Nick Saban and Harbough, why do those schools run their ENTIRE PROGRAM like they are NFL teams?

 

[rutgersal]

No, I do not EVER think we can be OSU, Alabama, LSU, USC, Georgia, Auburn, Michigan, Notre Dame (perception wise) or Florida State. I don't think the time will ever come that we are in the conversation as a NC contender on a year in and year out basis. The state doesn't have the stomach for what comes with that. Nor is it willing to make the financial commitment. Nor is the media willing to carry our water to get there.

Notre Dame and Michigan would be the exceptions to the group of schools above and between them they've had academic scandals and killed a friggin kid at practice. Can you IMAGINE for a SINGLE SECOND what would happen in NJ if an RU football coach sent a kid up in a scissor lift in 40 mph winds and he fell to his death? The program would be shut down. Brian Kelly gave a press conference and went about the rest of his day. And it helps that ND and Michigan have 2 of the top 5 developed donor bases in the country.

What can't YOU understand about any of this?

Visualizing success doesn't make it so...it's part of the process, but it needs to be accompanied by a plan. A plan which you admit to not having.

We don't need any more plans. We have a plan for success- Greg Schianos, which has been implemented over 14 years, first by Schiano himself, then carried on by Kyle Flood. Everything is in place to be #1, which was Greg Schiano's plan. We've got a

• Top Notch Conference
• National Championship Caliber Program Culture
• Football Facilities which are good enough
• a 53K Stadium with a Great Stadium Atmosphere
• set recruiting areas of NY/NJ/FL/MD/Pa
• plans to scale the stadium up once demand warrants

we need someone who can carry forth that very same plan, either Schiano himself, or if he doesn't want to come here, then someone from his coaching tree, like Mario Cristobal. These are the kinds of guys who can get the players we need, to be #1. Greg Schiano II would be like Pete Carroll at USC in the '90s.

There's no reason why Rutgers can't be BIGGER than OSU, Alabama, LSU, USC, Georgia, Auburn, Michigan, or Florida State. Rutgers is in a location that is richer than ALL those areas. We build a consistent winner, and people will be falling over themselves to donate and buy season tickets. This area exploded with rutgers pride in 2006 for a mere Texas Bowl which resulted in scaling the stadium by 25%. I can't wait till we win the Rose Bowl or play in the playoff!

 

[ruhudsonfan]

We don't need any more plans. We have a plan for success- Greg Schianos, which has been implemented over 14 years, first by Schiano himself, then carried on by Kyle Flood. Everything is in place to be #1, which was Greg Schiano's plan. We've got a

• Top Notch Conference
• National Championship Caliber Program Culture
• Football Facilities which are good enough
• a 53K Stadium with a Great Stadium Atmosphere
• set recruiting areas of NY/NJ/FL/MD/Pa
• plans to scale the stadium up once demand warrants

we need someone who can carry forth that very same plan, either Schiano himself, or if he doesn't want to come here, then someone from his coaching tree, like Mario Cristobal. These are the kinds of guys who can get the players we need, to be #1. Greg Schiano II would be like Pete Carroll at USC in the '90s.

There's no reason why Rutgers can't be BIGGER than OSU, Alabama, LSU, USC, Georgia, Auburn, Michigan, or Florida State. Rutgers is in a location that is richer than ALL those areas. We build a consistent winner, and people will be falling over themselves to donate and buy season tickets. This area exploded with rutgers pride in 2006 for a mere Texas Bowl which resulted in scaling the stadium by 25%. I can't wait till we win the Rose Bowl or play in the playoff!

The thread has officially jumped the shark

Good conversation, fellas.

 

[rutgersal]

That's all it takes?

You ever see the facilities at OSU, UM, LSU, Bama, Auburn or Oregon?

If all it "takes" is Urban Meyer, Nick Saban and Harbough, why do those schools run their ENTIRE PROGRAM like they are NFL teams?

Have you seen what Miami has? They have 5 National Championships and they have less than what we have. And they never paid at a level of a Urban Meyer, Nick Saban or Harbaugh. they hired lesser known coaches, who knew how to coach and recruit talent.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Have you seen what Miami has? They have 5 National Championships and they have less than what we have. And they never paid at a level of a Urban Meyer, Nick Saban or Harbaugh. they hired lesser known coaches, who knew how to coach and recruit talent.

yeah, let's just gloss over the 2 1/2 decades of PURE LAWLESSNESS

 

[nick614]

College football programs are one great coach away from relevance. Just have to find him and keep him long enough to build a culture that can be sustained.

 

[RUGT]

That's all it takes?

You ever see the facilities at OSU, UM, LSU, Bama, Auburn or Oregon?

If all it "takes" is Urban Meyer, Nick Saban and Harbough, why do those schools run their ENTIRE PROGRAM like they are NFL teams?

Come on this is extremely disingenuous. No one in this thread is saying we can go from A-Z in the blink of an eye. Rather, we are saying there is a very clear and feasible path to go from A->B->C->....Z, and that path starts and ends 90% of the time with a good coach. And because we are in a very unsaturated market right now, winning will greatly expedite the process when compared to other schools (like Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin) which have sort of plateaued.

And you don't need to have all the things an OSU or LSU has in order to become a national contender. Look at Baylor, TCU, hell even MSU. Those schools have much fewer inherent advantages than Rutgers and yet caught the right coach and improved dramatically. We have everything in place to succeed outside an above average coach. Again, it is obviously extremely difficult to identify a good coach, but our combination of compensation, recruiting grounds, and exposure should certainly entice many qualified candidates compared to other perceived similar schools.

 

[rutgersal]

yeah, let's just gloss over the 2 1/2 decades of PURE LAWLESSNESS

Butch Davis' Hurricanes were a well disciplined bunch, for the most part. the only transgressions i can remember was najeh davenport taking a dump in some girls closet And the team got into a fight with the florida gators during sugar bowl week. maybe there were other incidents, but they were minimal during the Butch Davis years. I've always felt that Schiano tried to emulate those hurricane teams as best he could. Schiano today would get the talent, rule the team with an iron fist, and ultimately deliver a winner.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Come on this is extremely disingenuous. No one in this thread is saying we can go from A-Z in the blink of an eye. Rather, we are saying there is a very clear and feasible path to go from A->B->C->....Z, and that path starts and ends 90% of the time with a good coach. And because we are in a very unsaturated market right now, winning will greatly expedite the process when compared to other schools (like Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin) which have sort of plateaued.

And you don't need to have all the things an OSU or LSU has in order to become a national contender. Look at Baylor, TCU, hell even MSU. Those schools have much fewer inherent advantages than Rutgers and yet caught the right coach and improved dramatically. We have everything in place to succeed outside an above average coach. Again, it is obviously extremely difficult to identify a good coach, but our combination of compensation, recruiting grounds, and exposure should certainly entice many qualified candidates compared to other perceived similar schools.

MSU has a Top 10 coach and glistening new facilities. They also have mens and women's basketball teams that are Top 5-10 programs, make money, and alleviate the pressure on the ADs income statement. So, no, we don't have what MSU has.

Baylor just had a Heisman winner for heaven's sake. And they are in Texas. Texas produces 3.5x the number of D1 recruits that Jersey does. So, try again.

You don't need "all of the things" OSU and LSU have. BUT YOU NEED SOME OF THEM.

Name one we have?

Coach?

100 seat stadium?

rabid donor base?

sympathetic media?

Willing state legislature?

Committed administration?

I'll wait...

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Butch Davis' Hurricanes were a well disciplined bunch, for the most part. the only transgressions i can remember was najeh davenport taking a dump in some girls closet And the team got into a fight with the florida gators during sugar bowl week. maybe there were other incidents, but they were minimal during the Butch Davis years. I've always felt that Schiano tried to emulate those hurricane teams as best he could. Schiano today would get the talent, rule the team with an iron fist, and ultimately deliver a winner.

And the foundation was laid under Jimmie Johnson where it was the wild west. Guys with open guns in their lockers Mon-Fri...

Miami isn't even close to the model we could or should emulate here.

 

[rutgersguy1]

Obviously, if RU spawns a billionaire who comes in and writes a $300MM check for athletics, this entire conversation is moot.

If that were going to happen, it would have happened sometime in the last 10 and certainly within the last 3 years. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, we sit here with our pudds in hands unable to raise $1MM bucks to get a legit head coach.

The type of individual donor that makes the 4 impediments I raised earlier irrelevant, is worth AT LEAST $500MM dollars. Rutgers has graduated exactly 1 billionaire in our existence--and wouldn't be our luck he hates the friggin place.

Secondly, the donor needs to be in the sunset of his life. Other than the UA guy at Maryland, these donors don't write 8 and 9 figure checks with 40, 50 years of life left.

So where is this Scarlet Knight coming from?

Odds are, he/she is in grammar school or maybe not even born yet. Bingo bango that is 50 years...

And as 4Real points out, even guys like T. Boone and Phil Knight, give their money in spurts. They don't open the checkbook and write a 9 figure check, drop it off at the RAC and head to Cracker Barrel for dinner.

Which brings us BACK to the 4 impediments I insist are mission critical to getting to the Top 10/20.

1. State legislature

2. RU administration

3. Cultivation of big donors

4. Hostile media

I'll leave out the faculty, as they can be ignored.

WIthout a plan to deal with 3 of these things, we're shooting for Iowa results.

Well we do have at least another alum Marlene Tepper who's married to, although now separated from, a billionaire. Maybe JH/SB can give her a nice talk woman to woman, lol. Be the first woman to have an arena named after you. :)

 

[RU31trap]

Being a fan for almost 25 years I expect Rutgers to define themselves. Who I want Rutgers to be is irrelevant because at the end of day it does not fit their narrative.

 

[RUGT]

MSU has a Top 10 coach and glistening new facilities. They also have mens and women's basketball teams that are Top 5-10 programs, make money, and alleviate the pressure on the ADs income statement. So, no, we don't have what MSU has.

Baylor just had a Heisman winner for heaven's sake. And they are in Texas. Texas produces 3.5x the number of D1 recruits that Jersey does. So, try again.

You don't need "all of the things" OSU and LSU have. BUT YOU NEED SOME OF THEM.

Name one we have?

Coach?

100 seat stadium?

rabid donor base?

sympathetic media?

Willing state legislature?

Committed administration?

I'll wait...

Alright man this really isn't that hard to figure out.

MSU hired Dantonio in 2007 at MSU for 1.1million. You think they had all those advantages back then? No. You are arguing against a point no one is making. Of course we aren't MSU right now, but the point is they got to where they are NOW in a decade despite not having anywhere near the advantages we have when they started.

Baylor is one of like 7 P5 schools in Texas (not to mention all of the other G5 schools), is located in a remote area, and played like 3rd fiddle to UT/A&M. I mean TCU was in the freaking mountain west conference until 2011! Even with all of Texas's football talent, they have many more teams fighting for them (not to mention schools close by like Okie/Okie state) when compared to NJ. Rutgers can secure NJ much easier than any school in texas can secure the state.

You also implicitly proved my point. Baylor was absolute TRASH status up until recently. Then they caught the right coach with the right player and are now doing phenomenally. if you don't think we have more inherent advantages right now than Baylor did, than I don't know what to tell you other than you are just completely wrong.

Right coach is all it takes.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Alright man this really isn't that hard to figure out.

MSU hired Dantonio in 2007 at MSU for 1.1million. You think they had all those advantages back then? No. You are arguing against a point no one is making. Of course we aren't MSU right now, but that point is they got to where they are NOW in a decade despite not having anywhere near the advantages we have.

Baylor is one of like 7 P5 schools in Texas (not to mention all of the other G5 schools), is located in a remote area, and played like 3rd fiddle to UT/A&M. I mean TCU was in the freaking mountain west conference until 2011! Even with all of Texas's football talent, they have many more teams fighting for them (not to mention schools close by like Okie/Okie state) when compared to NJ. Rutgers can secure NJ much easier than any school in texas can secure the state.

You also implicitly proved my point. Baylor was absolute TRASH status up until recently. Then they caught the right coach with the right player and are now doing phenomenally. if you don't think we have more inherent advantages right now than Baylor did, than I don't know what to tell you other than you are just completely wrong.

Right coach is all it takes.

You do realize that the former owner of the Houston Astros is a Baylor alum right? And he personally spearheaded fund raising efforts to build their new $250MM on campus facility, right? And his individual gift, while he wanted it to remain private, was confirmed to be MORE THAN $20MM just for the stadium, right?

Yes, all you need is a coach...

You're lost...

 

[RUGT]

You do realize that the former owner of the Houston Astros is a Baylor alum right? And he personally spearheaded fund raising efforts to build their new $250MM on campus facility, right? And his individual gift, while he wanted it to remain private, was confirmed to be MORE THAN $20MM just for the stadium, right?

Yes, all you need is a coach...

You're lost...

Okay this is the last post responding to you because you either are really bad at understanding cause and effect or are just purposefully being ignorant.

Here is an article on just how bad Baylor was before they hired Art Briles: http://espn.go.com/college-football...t-how-bad-baylor-was-art-briles-rebuilt-bears

First of all, why did the former Houston astros owner and Baylor alum decide to give athletics money now? Why not 10 years before when Baylor athletics was a dumpster fire? He was the owner from 1993 to 2011 and worth billions, but decided to donate money now. Why? Maybe it was because Baylor got GOOD recently and that increases peoples propensity to donate money to their school, as seen in virtually every single college football school across the entire nation. You are completely confusing the cause and effect here. Baylor got good was the cause, the donation is the effect. Did you know who Greg Brown was before Schiano? Me neither, but Schiano winning got a Rutgers alum into Rutgers and now he is a very influential donor.

The entire point of this is most big donors typically come AFTER the success. Success comes from hiring the right coach. Having a big donor from the start certainly helps, but in no way shape or form is it a prerequisite to doing well.

 

[rutgersal]

And the foundation was laid under Jimmie Johnson where it was the wild west. Guys with open guns in their lockers Mon-Fri...

Miami isn't even close to the model we could or should emulate here.

Too late for that. Schiano used the best parts of the miami model to turn Rutgers around. difference is schiano lorded over his kids with an iron fist, so we avoided incidents for the most part. Miami kids like Tim Brown and Eric Foster figured prominently in 2006. Tres Moses and Ryan Hart helped make us competitive earlier. Look at our roster. we've got a good number of Florida kids who can run. thats the miami influence. Fl players are what keeps us from being UConn. its important to note that schiano didn't shy away from recruiting questionable characters like reggie dixon, dwayne jones, and antwaine easterling, but thankfully for us, things fizzled out and they never joined the program.

other parts of our program were borrowed from miami too. state of rutgers came from the state of miami. some of the academic support ideas came from miami. much of our football culture came from miami. prior to schiano, kids were more worried about John Madden Football than becoming the best players they could be. during S&C time you had kids eating cereal on the bench rather than doing what they needed to do. Now during summer break and winter break, the kids are working out. Thankfully, its been like this for 14 years.

everything is in place. the heaviest lifting has already been done. now we need someone who can build on whats already in place, recruit, coach and develop.
and hopefully that will inspire more alumni to give. thats the biggest difference between rutgers and ohio state, the caliber of coach, and the number of alumni who care.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Okay this is the last post responding to you because you either are really bad at understanding cause and effect or are just purposefully being ignorant.

Here is an article on just how bad Baylor was before they hired Art Briles: http://espn.go.com/college-football...t-how-bad-baylor-was-art-briles-rebuilt-bears

First of all, why did the former Houston astros owner and Baylor alum decide to give athletics money now? Why not 10 years before when Baylor athletics was a dumpster fire? He was the owner from 1993 to 2011 and worth billions, but decided to donate money now. Why? Maybe it was because Baylor got GOOD recently and that increases peoples propensity to donate money to their school, as seen in virtually every single college football school across the entire nation. You are completely confusing the cause and effect here. Baylor got good was the cause, the donation is the effect. Did you know who Greg Brown was before Schiano? Me neither, but Schiano winning got a Rutgers alum into Rutgers and now he is a very influential donor.

The entire point of this is most big donors typically come AFTER the success. Success comes from hiring the right coach. Having a big donor from the start certainly helps, but in no way shape or form is it a prerequisite to doing well.

HOLY F@CKING SHIT...

TELL ME HOW WE HIRE THE "RIGHT" COACH.

We couldn't fire the dumpster fire we have because the Department couldn't raise the extra $500-750k that a new coach and staff would have required.

Good F@cking grief...I can see how people kick their dogs. After going back and forth with your dense ass all afternoon I want to drown a pillow case full of kittens.

I've laid out 4 impediments to our success--that you REFUSE TO ADDRESS. Rather, you just keep saying, "we need to hire the right coach."

F@cking HOW???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

We have an administration that is committed to being revenue neutral.

We have a state legislature that cuts our funding every year.

We have a media that will create a shit storm over spending institutional money on a coach and staff, above what we're paying now.

That leaves us with DONOR MONEY. The same DONOR base that wouldn't come up with $1.5MM to buy out Elmer Flood and hire his replacement.

Either answer my questions for how you get around these impediments or don't. But I can assure you that it is noy my posts that are intellectually unsound.

You are in fantasyland of saying, "if we get the next Coach Heywood Jablowme" we will be fine.

TELL. ME. HOW. YOU. PAY. FOR. HIM.

 

[RUGT]

HOLY F@CKING SHIT...

TELL ME HOW WE HIRE THE "RIGHT" COACH.

We couldn't fire the dumpster fire we have because the Department couldn't raise the extra $500-750k that a new coach and staff would have required.

Good F@cking grief...I can see how people kick their dogs. After going back and forth with your dense ass all afternoon I want to drown a pillow case full of kittens.

I've laid out 4 impediments to our success--that you REFUSE TO ADDRESS. Rather, you just keep saying, "we need to hire the right coach."

F@cking HOW???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

We have an administration that is committed to being revenue neutral.

We have a state legislature that cuts our funding every year.

We have a media that will create a shit storm over spending institutional money on a coach and staff, above what we're paying now.

That leaves us with DONOR MONEY. The same DONOR base that wouldn't come up with $1.5MM to buy out Elmer Flood and hire his replacement.

Either answer my questions for how you get around these impediments or don't. But I can assure you that it is noy my posts that are intellectually unsound.

You are in fantasyland of saying, "if we get the next Coach Heywood Jablowme" we will be fine.

TELL. ME. HOW. YOU. PAY. FOR. HIM.

Coaching staff: 5 milliion
Future B1G payouts: projections of 40+ million.

40 million >>> 5 million. Does that answer your question?

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Is your plan really modeled after finding a MAC coach who turns into the next Dantonio? Or you're going find a 3 star QB who goes on to win the Heisman? Or RU is going to mint a billionaire who takes the program under his wing?

I've made my professional career on crafting and executing plans.

I wouldn't call any of those particularly inspiring...

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Coaching staff: 5 milliion
Future B1G payouts: projections of 40+ million.

40 million >>> 5 million. Does that answer your question?

No. Because it is 5-6 seasons of revenues and expenses that don't match.

Are you sending Julie down to the local Wells Fargo with a "Coach Bank Loan" application?

We went to the B10 last year when we tried to fire Elmer and asked them for a loan against future earnings.

They told us to scram.

We went to our donor base to raise the money. They told us, "no soup for you."

You need to pay a new coach and his staff $5MM NEXT SEASON.

Where ya getting it from?

 

[RUGT]

No. Because it is 5-6 seasons of revenues and expenses that don't match.

Are you sending Julie down to the local Wells Fargo with a "Coach Bank Loan" application?

We went to the B10 last year when we tried to fire Elmer and asked them for a loan against future earnings.

They told us to scram.

We went to our donor base to raise the money. They told us, "no soup for you."

You need to pay a new coach and his staff $5MM NEXT SEASON.

Where ya getting it from?

I assume by last year you mean 2013. That was a bad time in general due to a lot of one time payments which skewered our financials (Big east buyout, Pernetti, Rice).

Whether it can be funded outright by lobbying donors (which should be easier than 2013 since we probably wont make a bowl game this year and the issues going on with Flood and the team) or additional money being taken from the AD fund, it can definitely be done. While many people like to make fun of Rutgers' incompetence at times, I don't think it would be very difficult to show how paying an extra 2 million per year for a staff could generate significant increases in revenue from ticket sales and donations.

 

[brgossRU90]

Complaining about local apathy is a cop out imho. If we had an up and coming coach who could actually beat someone AND do it with an exciting style the ball would definitely be rolling. One big impediment is this hard headed insistence on obsolete, tough guy, rushing football that doesn't win us games and looks especially dull compared to today's offenses.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

I assume by last year you mean 2013. That was a bad time in general due to a lot of one time payments which skewered our financials (Big east buyout, Pernetti, Rice).

Whether it can be funded outright by lobbying donors (which should be easier than 2013 since we probably wont make a bowl game this year and the issues going on with Flood and the team) or additional money being taken from the AD fund, it can definitely be done. While many people like to make of Rutgers' incompetence at times, I don't think it would be very difficult to show how paying an extra 2 million per year for a staff could generate significant increases in revenue from ticket sales and donations.

You do realize that most high profile donors have been hit up for Hale Center upgrades already this year, right?

You're gonna ask them again? For $2MM?

At $5,000 a pop, you are converting on 400 donors.

You have confidence in that plan?

 

[Nihilist Rodgers]

all the coaching search talk got me thinking "what do we really want this program to be"? More importantly "what do you think it could actually become" personally, I would be ecstatic to become Iowa. 7-9 wins a year with the occasional 10 and 4 win seasons. To me, people who think we will ever become some NC contender year in and year out are crazy. NJ's culture simply isn't willing to accept what it takes. Thoughts?

couldn't agree more.. you will never have the state or public support.. you could build a billion dollar stadium but Rutgers simply is not in the Jersey bloodstream, NY area is all about the NFL and other pro sports. If Notre Dame re-located to Jersey they would triple your attendane.. it is what it is.-sg

 

[RUGT]

You do realize that most high profile donors have been hit up for Hale Center upgrades already this year, right?

You're gonna ask them again? For $2MM?

At $5,000 a pop, you are converting on 400 donors.

You have confidence in that plan?

I don't know what the plan is, but I have faith securing an additional 2mm/year right now is doable. The good thing is it's temporary measure because we probably won't be in this situation the next time we need to hire another coach. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if the excitement alone of hiring a new coach (assuming it isn't a complete misfire) generated $2 million more in revenue from additional season tickets/donations before we even play a game.

 

[RU4Real]

I don't know what the plan is, but I have faith securing an additional 2mm/year right now is doable. The good thing is it's temporary measure because we probably won't be in this situation the next time we need to hire another coach. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if the excitement alone of hiring a new coach (assuming it isn't a complete misfire) generated $2 million more in revenue from additional season tickets/donations before we even play a game.

Well that's kinda the problem.

It's patently silly to have faith in the belief that somebody else has a plan that you don't know about and can't articulate.

That's the definition of Santa Claus.