Why Flood will get terminated for cause

[jmc11201]

Agreed! Trying to beat assistants out of money like that will also negatively affect a coaching search as well as our next coaches ability to hire decent assitants. It would be a stupid thing to do that will just set RU back and cost them more money down the road.

Yep. Everyone always says coaching is a tight knit profession and that everyone knows everyone.

Rutgers to In Demand Coaching Candidate: We want you here.
Candidate: Hold on...let me make a phone call.
Candidate to Agent: Rutgers called...what do you think?
Agent to Candidate: I had three guys on staff that just got run out of there. They did everything in their power to not pay them, to ruin their reputations, and to fire them with cause. In all my years in the business, I've never seen such a petty, dysfunctional place.
Candidate to Agent: Thanks for the heads up. Sounds like I'm dodging a bullet.
Candidate to Rutgers: I appreciate your interest, but I've taken the Maryland job.

 

[RUsSKii]

No one is perfect and good men do make mistakes. that's part of life.

Good men don't send official e-mails from their personal accounts and blatantly type that they're doing so in order to avoid OPRA requests. Good coaches don't meet faculty more than a half-hour from campus incognito, and most certainly don't flat-out ignore recommendations to stop crossing the line from their academic support staff. Good men don't attempt to eliminate consequences for their players after the fact, as in attempting to change a class grade that had been finalized months before. And finally, good men don't insist on leaving their starting quarterback on the field through five games of mostly terrible play, exhibiting pure stubbornness and effectively destroying their psyche in the process.

 

[rutgersdave]

Is Flood a " Good Man or Honorable Man " code word for terrible coach?

 

[AreYouNUTS]

You are incorrect, each team does not police itself, it is all done through the AD's office and the tests are done by a specific testing organization. When results are in they are NOT sent to the coach, they are sent to the AD and Compliance offices. That is how it works for just about every NCAA program, and every team so yes, the field hockey team, the women's gymnastics team, the soccer team--they all get tested by this service and results are sent to Compliance. Flood has absolutely nothing to do with the drug testing nor does he have a say WHEN it is conducted. Athletes usually do not know when they will be tested.

If you say so, my apologies, I assume things have changed. I'd be willing to bet, however, that the HC of the football program has more access, to test results, than most other coaches, and if so then the person giving Flood access, to the results, would be equally responsible for any "fudged" reporting IF this were to be the case. Thank you.

 

[lyndj]

Keep in mind that outside firms hired to investigate are used to "self-report" potential NCAA violations in the hopes of not getting hammered by the NCAA's own investigation. It has already been established back in September that RU's compliance against NCAA/B1G compliance was a bit murky so the results of this investigation will shore up compliance issues. Obviously, I'm not in the know, but it may not be any more than that--unless Flood has been found to intentionally committed more egregious acts. You see how the ND cheating investigation came and went after they self-investigated and self-reported.

 

[jmc11201]

This thread depressed me. Can we just get rid of him already and move on. I am not looking forward to the s**tstorm that is certain to occur when everything goes down.

 

[lyndj]

If you say so, my apologies, I assume things have changed. I'd be willing to bet, however, that the HC of the football program has more access, to test results, than most other coaches, and if so then the person giving Flood access, to the results, would be equally responsible for any "fudged" reporting IF this were to be the case. Thank you.

Could be but that would mean that other heads will likely roll before his.

 

[ru66]

I've said this about the drug testing often--but the julietards , copying well known minions, attack--pernetti got all reports and the decisions with the compliance rules were made to suspend

 

[AreYouNUTS]

I've said this about the drug testing often--but the julietards , copying well known minions, attack--pernetti got all reports and the decisions with the compliance rules were made to suspend

huh?

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Yep. Everyone always says coaching is a tight knit profession and that everyone knows everyone.

Rutgers to In Demand Coaching Candidate: We want you here.
Candidate: Hold on...let me make a phone call.
Candidate to Agent: Rutgers called...what do you think?
Agent to Candidate: I had three guys on staff that just got run out of there. They did everything in their power to not pay them, to ruin their reputations, and to fire them with cause. In all my years in the business, I've never seen such a petty, dysfunctional place.
Candidate to Agent: Thanks for the heads up. Sounds like I'm dodging a bullet.
Candidate to Rutgers: I appreciate your interest, but I've taken the Maryland job.

Candidate: You're gonna pay me HOW MUCH more than I make now at East Bumblef@ck State? Can I get an Uber from the airport to Piscataway or will you send a car...

Money talks...always and forever.

 

[Leonard23]

No, it doesn't. It is up to EACH team to police itself, and report properly to the department/AD, per the university's policies.

You are correct that it is up to each team to police itself but Julie gets all reports

I'm confused. Do either of you or someone else have a link to Rutgers' drug testing policy that designates the head coach or coaches to administer drug tests instead of the team physicians or sports medicine personnel as the Department of Sports Medicine & the Director of Sports Medicine have full oversight & implementation of the drug testing program? Full disclosure, I don't think it exists. Here's the policy I found at http://www.scarletknights.com/sportsmed/drugs.html:

C.) Frequency of testing
At any time during the period between August 1 and the following June 1, unannounced tests may be made of all or a random sample of the squad members. Student-athletes can also be tested more frequently if they have had previous violations of the Substance Abuse Policy. Student athletes who are being tested will receive written or verbal notification no more than 24 hours in advance, although a student-athlete may receive less notice. Any student-athlete unwilling to provide a urine specimen within a reasonable period of time, to be decided by the Director of Sports Medicine, may be assessed with a sanction consistent with a violation of this particular Substance Abuse Policy.

D.) Testing Procedures
The Rutgers Division of Intercollegiate Athletics, Department of Sports Medicine has in place a set of procedures consistent with the NCAA Drug Testing Program Protocol Specimen Collection Procedure and/or the NJ Law Enforcement Drug Testing Program. These procedures are in place to protect the integrity of the student-athlete and the testing system.

Admission of drug use prior to testing after a urine specimen has been requested will not exempt the student-athlete from being held to be in violation of this Policy. Any student found to altering, tampering or providing a false urine specimen will face immediate suspension from the athletic program.

Urine samples will be collected in the sports medicine clinic or in an area designated by the team physician.
The results of all positive tests will be immediately communicated to the Director of Sports Medicine who will communicate those results to the Athletic Director, the head coach, the Sport Psychology team and the student-athlete. Other Intercollegiate Athletic and University personnel may be informed of positive test results only as needed in order to support the education and rehabilitation efforts specified in this policy statement.

 

[ru66]

huh--pernetti got all drug reports and actions were automatic according to the compliance rules

 

[jmc11201]

Candidate: You're gonna pay me HOW MUCH more than I make now at East Bumblef@ck State? Can I get an Uber from the airport to Piscataway or will you send a car...

Money talks...always and forever.

True...money talks...but if we are offering the same money as someone else at a somewhat comparable job (let's say Maryland), you better believe it matters.

Of course we can get someone, but the more dysfunctional we are and appear to be, the better coaches with better options, seem likely to choose alternatives.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

huh--pernetti got all drug reports and actions were automatic according to the compliance rules

Okay, great, so what was your point?

 

[AreYouNUTS]

I'm confused. Do either of you or someone else have a link to Rutgers' drug testing policy that designates the head coach or coaches to administer drug tests instead of the team physicians or sports medicine personnel as the Department of Sports Medicine & the Director of Sports Medicine have full oversight & implementation of the drug testing program? Full disclosure, I don't think it exists. Here's the policy I found at http://www.scarletknights.com/sportsmed/drugs.html:

C.) Frequency of testing
At any time during the period between August 1 and the following June 1, unannounced tests may be made of all or a random sample of the squad members. Student-athletes can also be tested more frequently if they have had previous violations of the Substance Abuse Policy. Student athletes who are being tested will receive written or verbal notification no more than 24 hours in advance, although a student-athlete may receive less notice. Any student-athlete unwilling to provide a urine specimen within a reasonable period of time, to be decided by the Director of Sports Medicine, may be assessed with a sanction consistent with a violation of this particular Substance Abuse Policy.

D.) Testing Procedures
The Rutgers Division of Intercollegiate Athletics, Department of Sports Medicine has in place a set of procedures consistent with the NCAA Drug Testing Program Protocol Specimen Collection Procedure and/or the NJ Law Enforcement Drug Testing Program. These procedures are in place to protect the integrity of the student-athlete and the testing system.

Admission of drug use prior to testing after a urine specimen has been requested will not exempt the student-athlete from being held to be in violation of this Policy. Any student found to altering, tampering or providing a false urine specimen will face immediate suspension from the athletic program.

Urine samples will be collected in the sports medicine clinic or in an area designated by the team physician.
The results of all positive tests will be immediately communicated to the Director of Sports Medicine who will communicate those results to the Athletic Director, the head coach, the Sport Psychology team and the student-athlete. Other Intercollegiate Athletic and University personnel may be informed of positive test results only as needed in order to support the education and rehabilitation efforts specified in this policy statement.

Thanks again. Things have changed quite a bit - MY APOLOGIES - from what I recall. Guess I'm getting older LOL!

Looking forward to seeing exactly how this shakes out.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

True...money talks...but if we are offering the same money as someone else at a somewhat comparable job (let's say Maryland), you better believe it matters.

Of course we can get someone, but the more dysfunctional we are and appear to be, the better coaches with better options, seem likely to choose alternatives.

I don't disagree.

I'd also add that certain candidates are driven by making less than optimal circumstances work.

As we all know, this job is about way more than Xs and Os and the ability to recruit. This next guy needs to be squared away in every aspect of program management.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to slide a contract across the table and say, "if you comply with this, everything will be dandy fine." If you don't, "we're not gonna write you a check to make you go away." Those are the expectations.

Additionally, assistants are going to put their faith in the head coach--especially if they are moving as a more or less complete staff. These guys will place their fate in the head guy's hands and have an attitude that is "if you are telling it's a good deal, I'm coming with you." Most of these guys, especially at the MAC level are out of their mind tickled that they go to wear sweatpants to work coaching football for a 6 figure salary. They aren't worrying about the previous batch of assistants being canned unceremoniously.

 

[Veiox]

Okay, great, so what was your point?

I took his point to be we are no longer doing that since TP left. At least that is what I think he meant???

 

[ruhudsonfan]

This would seem to implicate a very specific group.

Yes. It rhymes with

Epidemic Report

lol

 

[ru66]

no , unless policy has changed which I doubt, you can't blame flood for ignoring drug rules--if they were ignored the buck stops higher than him

 

[RU5781]

Every school has their own drug testing policy...there isn't one "one size fits all" policy put into place for all schools.
Let's put it this way...if we followed our own policies regarding testing in 2013, our season may have been a tad different.
To think Flood is innocent in all of this...come on now.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

In my opinion, the bigger disappointment in the fanbase is going to be on the academic side. People can rationalize college kids smoking weed and be fine with it.

But so much of this fanbase has hitched their wagon to academics that a major let down in that area is going to be hard for a lot of people to take.

 

[mildone]

This thread depressed me. Can we just get rid of him already and move on. I am not looking forward to the s**tstorm that is certain to occur when everything goes down.

Don't be depressed. A lot of what's been discussed in this thread is conjecture based on speculation filtered by opinion and dressed up pretty using education. Loads of assumptions. There's always the possibility some of it may prove to be true. But there's little sense worrying about any of it until it actually happens.

 

[Leonard23]

Every school has their own drug testing policy...there isn't one "one size fits all" policy put into place for all schools.
Let's put it this way...if we followed our own policies regarding testing in 2013, our season may have been a tad different.
To think Flood is innocent in all of this...come on now.

You're implying he was engaged in a massive cover up conspiracy & got Dr. Monaco & his staff &/or Julie to agree to it? And it stayed quiet for years? I'm not buying that but will eat crow if the report shows otherwise. If that's the case, then there will be a massive purging of jobs.

 

[RUSONIC]

Just so we all realize, 98% of the information in this thread is pure speculation. No real facts on the investigation or Floods future. If anyone is reading this as fact you might as well start betting on professional wrestling.

 

[jmc11201]

Don't be depressed. A lot of what's been discussed in this thread is conjecture based on speculation filtered by opinion and dressed up pretty using education. Loads of assumptions. There's always the possibility some of it may prove to be true. But there's little sense worrying about any of it until it actually happens.

I'll be fine...but would love to be focused on a big game on Saturday or an optimistic view on the outlook for Rutgers football, etc.

It seems obvious that Flood is gone and that more internal dirt will be coming out. I'd just like to get past that stage and focus on the stuff that makes college football fun.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

In my opinion, the bigger disappointment in the fanbase is going to be on the academic side. People can rationalize college kids smoking weed and be fine with it.

But so much of this fanbase has hitched their wagon to academics that a major let down in that area is going to be hard for a lot of people to take.

Yikes.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

I'll be fine...but would love to be focused on a big game on Saturday or an optimistic view on the outlook for Rutgers football, etc.

It seems obvious that Flood is gone and that more internal dirt will be coming out. I'd just like to get past that stage and focus on the stuff that makes college football fun.

Navy is 8-1 and has an eye on a New Year's Day bowl...so there's that.

 

[RU5781]

You're implying he was engaged in a massive cover up conspiracy & got Dr. Monaco & his staff &/or Julie to agree to it? And it stayed quiet for years? I'm not buying that but will eat crow if the report shows otherwise. If that's the case, then there will be a massive purging of jobs.

You're implying he was engaged in a massive cover up conspiracy & got Dr. Monaco & his staff &/or Julie to agree to it? And it stayed quiet for years? I'm not buying that but will eat crow if the report shows otherwise. If that's the case, then there will be a massive purging of jobs.

I wouldn't say a massive cover up. That would imply the whole team or the majority of the team.

 

[hiwater]

Candidate: You're gonna pay me HOW MUCH more than I make now at East Bumblef@ck State? Can I get an Uber from the airport to Piscataway or will you send a car...

Money talks...always and forever.

Not when your talking about reputations. Money can't restore it, and do you honestly that offering more money to assistants will overcome that? If so why try to ruin a rep and beat someone out of money to just be held hostage to having to pay that money plus more to get the next guy to take the job? Plus, even if you offer a bigger contract to the next guy, why on earth would he believe that he will actually receive that money after you beat his predecessor out of his contract?

 

[ru66]

amazing there are RU "fans" sort of hoping for bad stuff to happen--just to certify their dislike of flood

 

[ClassOf02]

I don't disagree.

I'd also add that certain candidates are driven by making less than optimal circumstances work.

As we all know, this job is about way more than Xs and Os and the ability to recruit. This next guy needs to be squared away in every aspect of program management.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to slide a contract across the table and say, "if you comply with this, everything will be dandy fine." If you don't, "we're not gonna write you a check to make you go away." Those are the expectations.

Additionally, assistants are going to put their faith in the head coach--especially if they are moving as a more or less complete staff. These guys will place their fate in the head guy's hands and have an attitude that is "if you are telling it's a good deal, I'm coming with you." Most of these guys, especially at the MAC level are out of their mind tickled that they go to wear sweatpants to work coaching football for a 6 figure salary. They aren't worrying about the previous batch of assistants being canned unceremoniously.

Possibly a certain gap-toothed candidate?

 

[bac2therac]

Just so we all realize, 98% of the information in this thread is pure speculation. No real facts on the investigation or Floods future. If anyone is reading this as fact you might as well start betting on professional wrestling.

no one truly knows what will actually make it into the report, the board was pretty clueless on what was going to be in the last report

 

[bac2therac]

amazing there are RU "fans" sort of hoping for bad stuff to happen--just to certify their dislike of flood

Im actually going to agree with you

 

[RutCorRx]

amazing there are RU "fans" sort of hoping for bad stuff to happen--just to certify their dislike of flood

Not to certify a dislike for Flood. To cement that this clown show gets on the road and we can rebuild. What has happened has happened. Would you want garbage swept under the carpet to save face for Rutgers? Sounds like a worse sort of fan to me.

 

[RUJohnny99]

unless Flood has a closet full of little boys underwear - or is running a methlab in the football storage room, or an escort service out of his office ... the ONLY strategically intelligent move is to just dismiss him - and don't dabble in some marginal justification of an attempt at a "for cause' firing ...
think about it - think about some of the crazy things that coaches have done - some so toxic that they were dismissed immediately in the middle of the season because the university wanted to instantly halt their contact with the team ... name one that, in reality , ended up as a 'for cause' - you get zero pay out - firing ... it rarely happens ..... and add to it that Rutgers had the chance in September - but then decided that a three game suspension was appropriate punishment - and then restored him to his position, saying this is now behind us....

From the story I was told, after the findings of the initial report, Flood sealed his fate by lawyering up in August & threatening to take the whole university down. This forced the university to hire an independent investigator to look at the situation and determine how widespread the misconduct actually was. For example, the original investigation didn't hold Barnwell's paper to the proper plagiarism protocols. It also didn't investigate whether Flood signed any paperwork acknowledging he attended the compliance meetings he claimed he didn't attend. By threatening legal action, the university needs to determine how much corruption Flood has been involved with over the course of his years here.

The investigation isn't so much to save a few million bucks on salaries but to protect the University's reputation and accreditation. The accrediting agencies don't take to rumors of academic fraud and absent risk management protocols lightly.

 

[Jonas Grumby]

Yes. It rhymes with

Epidemic Report

lol

A dyspectic escort?

 

[ruhudsonfan]

get over yourself with the "hoping for bad things to happen" nonsense.

I'm equally amazed that people will lift a single finger to bang a single key stroke on his behalf. He's been a disaster in every way shape or form since he was elevated to OC.

For once, the University has taken the appropriate, aggressive action. They are protecting the reputation of the university as a result of Flood's threats. And you're dicking around worrying about what a bunch of guys at work are saying on a message board.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

A dyspectic escort?

You'll always be on my Mt. Rushmore of favorite posters, Skipper.

 

[RUSONIC]

no one truly knows what will actually make it into the report, the board was pretty clueless on what was going to be in the last report

exactly, truth be told we really do not know what they are investigating.

Here are the facts I know for sure and can back them up.
1- Rutgers hired an outside Law firm that specializes in NCAA compliance issues.
2- No, that's the only thing we know about the investigation, everything else is speculation.

Now nothing wrong with speculation, that's what message boards are for, but some of you guys get nasty.

 

[Knight Shift]

Just so we all realize, 98% of the information in this thread is pure speculation. No real facts on the investigation or Floods future. If anyone is reading this as fact you might as well start betting on professional wrestling.

Yet some take it all in hook, line and sinker.
Remember what the week leading up to December 7, 2013 was like, and how many people had egg on their face on December 8, 2013?