Where did a psu fan say they wanted to move on from Allar? Kid had 23 td’s/1 int this year.. no fanbase in the country is complaining about that
Wimsatt will be our Starting Quarterback next year
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I was playing off his comment about QB’s not getting 3 years. PSU hated Allan for some reason this year and next would be his third.
This PSU guy comes in holier than thou all the time with his “great wisdom” to quietly troll us all the time.
No it doesn’t offset unless your commiting to a pure option style and we’re not willing to put his body at risk to run that much anyway - so it’s not happening even if it could be effective. Those numbers are chunk numbers based on a handful of big plays. The issue is stalling drives - short completions for post yards keep the chains moving. The only time he completes those for the most part is on 3rd down when the D intentionally plays back just to make sure we don’t move the chains. On average he completes only 10 throws a game which is nowhere near good enough to even sustain middle of the road.
And seemingly everyone last year complained about how our receivers didn’t get separation. More revisionist history.
Since 2015, the WR room has lacked talent overall. The last WR that could consistently separate was Bo Melton, who had 55 catches in 2021. Cruickshank was the leading receiver with 42 catches LY. Dremel was this years leading receiver with 34 catches, so far. This years incoming class of Duff, Black, and Crumpler should go a long way towards rectifying our lack of WR talent, but they may need this year to acclimate. In two years time, the WR room should be in excellent shape.
Al - just stop. It’s not the wide out room. Point taken that we don’t have a Caroo stud to boost Wimsatt’s numbers closer to respectable by making circus catches. Our wide out room is comparable to the Ash years though and those QBs had far less protection than Gavin. He’s worse than all of them at everything except running and he doesn’t run that often.
We came into this year figuring on two guys to be our 1 & 2 WR. One was injured and the other never cleared.
We end up with a walkon- a Div 2 player, a freshman and what would normally be our number 3 guy.
What we didn't have in recent years was a good WR coach. He actually made the walkon/D2/Fr/3 guys better then they should have been. If we had a true 1 or 2- imagine what a real WR coach may have been able to do with them?
Someone needs to post the stats of the top 3 wrs of every BIG team to show the truth. RU tightend production was non-existent.
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It absolutely is the wideout room. Now we’ve already conceded that Gavin Needs to get better. But you can’t slag him without acknowledging that our WR Corp is very weak. There’s no Bo Melton and there isn’t even an Aaron Cruickshank. What we do have are a bunch of effort guys that are doing their best.
Our production is deplorable compared with most of our peers, especially the better ones.
I couldn't agree with this any more...Rooting for the kid and for those writing him off even prior to this season is ridiculous. This is a very fair view in my opinion. I would add the PSU game was probably his best considering the tough place to play & the D he played. If he came out with another good game vs ILL I think you & I are feeling much better. But he didn't had maybe his worst. So I'm with you on this...Hopefully has a good bowl game and works on lowering his throws and progressions as well...
Hate to break it to you. This year’s team with Teel at QB at same [or even later] stage of Wimsatt does not get six wins.
Teel had NFL weapons up and down the offense.
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Just over 50% is low bar. 55-60% solid qb play. Over 60% and RU is fighting off outside NIL offers after the season.
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GW has improved overall. The big question is whether the improvement has been enough. I don’t think so with regard to passing and specifically accuracy. The offense is too one dimensional and easy for good opponents to defend. I definitely would not write off GW, but I feel strongly that more competition is needed preferably from a portal QB. Putting high expectations on AS as a true freshman would not be fair.
RU lost by 17 pts. Was down 24-3 going into the 4th. Simon threw two ints and was sacked 3 times and a 100 yds of passing was in the 4th when game was already lost and Iowa was playing backups.
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We lost to them by 22 this year even though RU was much better in 2023. Wimsatt was 7/18 for 93 yards and a pick. If Simon threw for 100 yards in the fourth then he threw for 200 yards in the first three quarters, how many times this year did Wimsatt throw for 200 yards in a game? Not sure what your point is, mine is Simon should have gotten some series against Iowa to see if we got different results, instead we accepted coming up empty every time.
The pressure is really gonna be on him next Fall if Monangai isn't there to hand the ball off to.
Simon got his chance last year. Last year, Simon threw for 300 yards against Iowa, but he also turned the ball over twice. Expecting a different result, with a worse receiving Corp probably wasn’t a likely scenario.
The point is this years game with Iowa was far more competitive, until the 4th quarter, when the defense ran out of gas. 6-0 going into the fourth quarter. 22-0 end of game.
That’s why The offense changed to be run oriented this year and wasn’t geared towards Simons skillset. Last year, Simon rushed 20 times for -2 yards. The offense had to change, because the WR room lacked talent and depth.
This allowed us to minimize turnovers and win more games, though it reduced passing productivity and we gave up passing accuracy.
We were hoping to run Iowa into the ground. Much like we did MSU, VT, and Indiana. Instead, we tired first, because Iowa had superior talent and depth. Nevertheless, it was a realistic plan for success, even if it failed.
This year was Schiano’s best coaching job yet.
Lol
Gavin’s issues are lack of vision, not seeing the field, staring down receivers, inability to make a play out of nothing, inability to improvise.
Not to mention he’s inaccurate.
All culminating in the offensive staff having no trust in his ability to throw the ball in a close game.
Example:
The coaching staff has the same amount of trust in Gavin in the passing game as they do our returners in the kicking game
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Wow, you are truly delusional and hypocritical . Simon had 1 game while Gavin gets 3 years. Simon was in the infancy of year 1 development, the "memorization"phase, lol.
I don't blame Gavin. Our offensive struggles are Schiano's problem.
The decision that is most troubling wasnt Iowas but was when we put Wimsatt back in after his injury in the Wisconsin game. Evan was 2/3 for 30 yards and a TD. Wimsatt coming off a back breaking pick 6 and pulled for concussion protocol.
How can you rationalize in the same breath - Simon “had his chance” last year so now he’s just “done” - with this decision after arguably the worst pick imaginable by Wimsatt AND an injury? Why does Wimsatt get chance after chance and a clear path to be the starter next year after clogging in dead last this year based on “getting his chance” all year as our starter? Your logic is very inconsistent.
Is it quite possible we are not giving our WR / TE rooms enough credit ? Naaaah… I know what I have seen for awhile on the banks. Let it play out and we will see if it’s because Gavin is the reason for our losses but had no baring in our wins. Bring on the bowl game.
I pay pretty close attention to the Big Ten and can’t recall at all a time this year where ‘psu hated Allar’. Now penis-head, yea I definitely heard that complaint, but if nothing else I’ve heard psu fans complaining last year that Clifford was still in over Allar
Come on buddy. It’s was 6-0 going into the 4th qtr this season. Were you expecting Simon to be brought in to win the game with our receiving corp and against a top 10 defense like Iowa? Our best wr (Dremel) this season didn’t even catch a pass last year in this game and second best wr (Washington) was our worst wr last yr. Coaches had Gavin throw only 18 passes and that was by design.
I get why Simon wasn’t brought in against Iowa this season because the game was only 6-0 beginning of 4th, our wr corp is probably one of the worst in the BIG and Iowa defense is one of the best. Did you want Simon to come in to throw a pick or get sacked?
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Again - that’s not the game to question from this past year. The only one really is Wisconsin. Evan should’ve gotten another series. I’m waiting for someone to provide a reasonable explanation why not.
Regardless, mostly the questions aren’t about this year but looking forward. Outside of the extreme Schiano haters most fans understand the decision to give Wimsatt this year to try to figure things out. If we have no alternative other than frosh next year though, I view it as unacceptable.
You have your own extreme view of Schiano the other way. Mostly my take is it’s fine to be cautiously optimistic about where Schiano has the program based on this year. We went from 4 to 6 wins and demonstrated clear progress in the trenches. Consistent ablilty to develop RBs and defense all around. All of that is encouraging.
Where Al has gone off the deep end is in preemptive defense of a possible decision to die on the hill sticking with GW. I hope Schiano doesn’t choose that path. It would be a shame because outside of QB it does seem that we’re moving forward. Albeit slowly.
Playing Gavin, you minimize turnovers, especially with a weak WR and TE room, at the cost of passing accuracy and passing productivity but with the benefit of maximizing rushing production, which is playing to our strengths. This is a run oriented offense which was tailored accordingly. Gavin’s rushing productivity was roughly 25% of our total rushing offense, or 488 rushing yards.
Playing Simon, is playing to our weakness, because he’s not much of a runner, so your counting on passing productivity. 20 rushes for -2 rushing yards says it all last year. I don’t care what he did in high school because it doesn’t matter.
so why would you expect the coaching staff to do that? There was no better validation of our strategy then the Maryland Game, where there were 7 passes defended. Our leading receiver only had 34 catches all season.
That’s why The coaching staff believes Gavin gives them the best chance of winning and played him at every opportunity.
That was true this year and it will likely be true next year, especially as we build the talent in the WR and TE rooms.
We lost to Wisconsin and other teams doing what we did best, running the ball. If you can’t win with your strength, you’re not winning, End of Story. Playing Gavin is playing to our strengths.
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Playing to your strengths is neither delusional nor hypocritical. It’s common sense. This was a run oriented offense that was best suited for Gavin.
This really was Gavin’s first full year. Simon had 2 turnovers vs Iowa and 3 turnovers vs Nebraska last year, with a more talented WR Corp. With a weaker WR Corp, this year it would not have been pretty, had Simon played more.
The decision to play Gavin was validated as we’re going bowling. With Gavin, we were able to win the games we were supposed to win.
This was Gavin’s first full year in this offense. He will work hard to get better in the offseason, watching tons of film so that he can better recognize opportunities. He will also get better with experience, as we observed with other QBs like Teel, Nova, and Hart.
Even though you claim Gavin improved? You talk in circles. Gavin can improve under identical curcumstances but Simon can't. more gaslighting.
They both can and did improve but the improved offensive line play would have really benefitted Simon's game where it didn't seem to do much at all for GW decision making and accuracy. It obviously helped immensely woth his rushing.
It's all in the past now.
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