Wimsatt will be our Starting Quarterback next year
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Are you saying our wrs would be plug and play at the top five schools listed above?
Bottom line, there were a bevy of reasons why RU did not pass more and included in those reasons, along with lack of Gavin’s accuracy on short passes, was the level of quality of the receiving corp which included no tightend production of note.
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I don’t know if Evan could’ve beaten Wisconsin. Impossible to say and not important at this point. I don’t think Gavin had a good enough year to double down on him with two frosh as his back ups. Whether or not Evan would’ve done better is really besides the point. We need to bring in a veteran.
Yet I'd say 90% on the QB....because even when our undertalented receivers were wide open he either didn't see them at all, was only allowed to throw to 1 predetermined receiver else throw away, or he was so off target the receivers couldn't catch the ball.
But yes, if he had All American receivers he wouldn't have looked quite as terrible.
so my supporting Evan Simon, also a Rutgers player at the time, as an alum myself, offends you? Even though some might agree he was a better qb and capable of leading the offense? You are free to disagree and i will gladly hear you out. We root for the same team though. I'm not sure what you are taking personally. Cheers man! Enjoy the sports banter.
Don’t try to twist the narrative . Curious as to why an “ Alum” as you claim thinks I should not be offended by comments on this free sports board. Don’t agree with you . Don’t give 2 shats if you agree or don’t agree with me. I never uttered a negative thing about Evan Simon. Are you claiming I did? I just believe in Schiano and his drive to bring us to stability and prominence in the B1G. I know you would love our Alma Mater to reach that level.
No. Not claiming you said anything. There was nothing latent in my post whatsoever.
Yes, I would love that. You're absolutely right.
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Yes, I would love that. You're absolutely right.
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You will never get it.
Everyone knows we got to 6 wins despite our QB.
You’re entitled to your opinion but you can’t change the facts of Wimsatt’s significant contributions in those 6 victories, which I provided earlier in this thread.
McMahon is exhibit A. His talents and abilities far outshone the supporting cast on offense under Shea. You knew he was gonna play at the next level. With our current QB, it's more like he would shine a level below.
McMahon had better receivers than this group. While it’s true that McMahon was more polished as a passer, he wasn’t as adept a rusher. It’s is difficult to have a productive passing attack, with a weak WR room, especially with the Top notch DBs in the Big Ten. I don’t think any of our starters would start for the teams we lost to, and that is key.
Maryland had 7 pass breakups.
We are in the process of improving the talent in the WR and TE rooms, but it is going to take time.
Holy crap…you are saying McMahon couldn’t run? In a modern offense Mike would have been absolutely incredible…perfect fit.
I was responding to Zappa saying that you can just see when somebody has 'it' no matter how bad the team. McMahon had 'it'. GW has not. Your response to my response is a non-sequitur since you can't blame GW's lack of passing ability on bad receivers and at the same time say McMahon was a gem despite bad receivers, bad O line and bad team. Way worse than this team. McMahon ran just fine considering he was constantly running for his life behind that O line.
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The problem with your analysis is that it a) disregards anything negative Gavin did in those games and b) assumes the QB option B would perform worse in the same setting.
No QB was losing Wagner, Temple or NW because the D won those games. While Gavin threw a couple nice passes in the Michigan State game, his 2 picks also gifted them 10 points. So again - a pretty big leap to say we needed him over someone else there. Even in the VTech game - he had what - 135 yards of combined offense in the air and ground?
So it really just leaves Indiana. I’d hardly say we should pencil him in as the clear starter based on that one game. Just not seeing it.
The coaches will rehash all the negative things he did during their film review. It’s not necessary to discuss here. They’ve already been discussed a million times over anyways.
The most relevant question is could option B have performed better in the 6 games which were won and the other six which were lost. I would say No, because the receiving Corp is weak. In fact, we had option B playing in 2020 and 2021, and it didn’t turn out as well. Vedral was a more accurate qb who did not have as strong an arm and wasn’t as effective running the ball.
Insert the 2023 OL into those years, and does the outcome change? I would say NO.
He had the lowest completion percentage in college football by a half a percent. He was a full 6% outside the top 100. It not all the receivers fault. I don’t care if you had Marvin Harrison at receiver he still was not going to catch those over throws and the ball in the dirty.
It is sort of which helps more or less. If GW knew he had MHJ receiving- does he have more confidence in his throws as well as the fact that, well, he would have MHJ…
I still feel GW should have improved more from game 1 to game 12. But some of the stupid crap people say is crazy.
I’m would bet that if GW had MHJ, Egbuka and Stover and everything else stayed the same- he would be nearer to 60%
This as well as just create so many more positive things. When the best player on the field is a WR and 2nd best is a RB- that is hard to defend and all of a sudden, the game slows down just a bit for everyone.
When your best and only weapons on the field is tge RB and a distant 2nd, QB- man, so easy to defend and makes everything else more difficult.
Wimsatt couldn’t carry McMahon’s j#ckstrap.
If we don’t change QB next season the ceiling is 5 wins max unfortunately.
The most relevant question is can option B perform better next year. Unknown at this point, but the team needs more option Bs to explore. The QB has been around too long to still be launching so many passes into the parking lot.
I’ve been saying for a while now, our biggest gap is an alpha male WR1. MHjr shows how important this is.
Unlikely, because our transfer qb history has been deplorable, unless your willing to write a big check. That would improve our chances of landing a good transfer qb.
If we don't have a different qb next year we will be lucky to make the yankee bowl. Big check or no big check, something has to change because we were quite lucky to be .500 this year with current personel. Groundhog day is not acceptable.
He's had two years as the worst QB in all of college football. Both years dead last in completion percentage. Looking at his throws, 40% are bad or uncatchable throws. That's before you factor in drops and defensive plays. Accuracy is something that many say you can't fix.
He'll be our starting QB but he's not going to improve his completion percentage. We need to move on as soon as there's an opportunity. The FSU 3rd stringer right now is day and night more accurate than Gavin.
Who knows- maybe that Manning kid will leave Texas. He has ties to NJ football. Lol
Wimsatt doesn’t need to carry McMahon’s jockstrap. He won 6 games, rushed for 100+ yards, and is going bowling, something Mike never did.
Here’s the thing - nobody knows for sure how our option Bs would have done with the 2023 OL because outside of one TD drive against Wisconsin nobody else got any chances outside of Gavin. I’m willing to assume your right about 2023 that Gavin was the best we had - I knew Gavin would play through think and thin and accepted that - for THIS season.
But looking ahead - I can’t buy that we should be happy going all in on Gavin, based on what you keep referencing as our poor prior luck in the portal. You cannot convince me that the 2023 version of Gavin was a better option than the 2021 version of Noah Vedral would be going into next season. At least not on the basis of production to date (and Im not willing to double down on potential at this point).
Noah was very reliable at not turning it over - threw 7 picks on that whole 2021 season - and 5 of them were in two games where we had no chance anyway as we were completely outmatched in the trenches. He may not have a strong arm but he completed over 59% of his passes. You’ll try to convince us that Gavin’s legs give us some big edge but the narrative there is pretty weak too. Noah ran for 297 yards on 102 attempts. Gavin’s at 488 on 120 attempts to date. If you assume Noah would run his 2.9 average on the extra 20 rushes that’d put him at 355. Now take into account the negative yardage on sacks that Noah took because of how dreadfully outmatched our OL was that year after Sutton went down. And Gavin picked up 87 of his yards on one defensive breakdown by Indiana. The point is his legs don’t provide a massive advantage over Noah either. The only thing he offers is “potential” with respect to arm strength.
Why bring up Noah, you wonder? I’m operating under the assumption he’s the proxy for what we could reasonably expect to land in the portal.
I don’t think anyone is saying they are “happy” with QB play this year or being all in going forward.
Even I made it clear that by end of year, he had no excuse for not getting better during the year.
But, Al’s responses and now you guys have me trying to defend the kid, is based on some of the really stupid crap so many are just throwing out there.
You can’t really argue against less than 50% or that it seemed GS was afraid to let the kid just air it out.
But some make it sound like he regressed and the sole reason we are not in the playoffs and no way he could ever get better.
Most likely the same guys that just last year, said Dremel was wasting a spot.
The fans questioning the direction at qb often find themselves defending the wrs from GW's most passionate supporters. I doubt it's the same people saying these things in most cases.
Point is he couldn’t.
Point is we need a new QB to improve the anemic offense next season.
Till now, doesn’t look like We’re getting a new qb other than the freshman. Wimsatt will get better over the offseason.
Why do you say that? If we were going to shop the portal, it probably happen after the bowl game. Nobody is saying dump Wimsatt. He can’t be the only option other than frosh.
Because we have offers out to other position groups, yet No Quarterbacks. We’ll see.
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