Wimsatt will be our Starting Quarterback next year

[TheKnightclub]

And if you read what you just posted on the negative side- it is almost exactly the same- you are gaslighting in a very negative sense.
There is usually something in the middle. But the far extremes on both sides like to think that everyone that doesn't agree with them is an idiot.

Not really. It's the old saying. Sarcasm is truth disguised as a joke. You may or may not like the joke or the truth, but the intent is definitely not the same as gaslighting. Im not aiming to silence anyone, undermine their reality, or control their opinions. I'm just baffled by them. The numbers dont paint a good picture. There is not enough context to make them appear that much different than what they are, unless speaking with a forked tongue or promoting a personal agenda.

I dont hate GW at all. Seems like a great guy and saus all the right things. He is highly successful regardless of my opinion. I hope he stays at Rutgers and finishes his studies. If he improved I'd cheer his progress. I most definitely don't think fans questioning his performance though are wrong and/or terrible people and/or misunderstanding the game.

 

[RUBOB72]

Again - that’s not the game to question from this past year. The only one really is Wisconsin. Evan should’ve gotten another series. I’m waiting for someone to provide a reasonable explanation why not.

Regardless, mostly the questions aren’t about this year but looking forward. Outside of the extreme Schiano haters most fans understand the decision to give Wimsatt this year to try to figure things out. If we have no alternative other than frosh next year though, I view it as unacceptable.

This board has shown a total hatred for Schiano no matter what the outcome of games were going all the way back to his first start. Even when we were winning in the mid 2000’s very few if any gave credit to him. It is what it is here. One thing is Schiano is here for at least a few more years. When was the last time Rutgers had no issues at QB? Like never.

 

[RUBOB72]

Not really. It's the old saying. Sarcasm is truth disguised as a joke. You may or may not like the joke or the truth, but the intent is definitely not the same as gaslighting. Im not aiming to silence anyone, undermine their reality, or control their opinions. I'm just baffled by them. The numbers dont paint a good picture. There is not enough context to make them appear that much different than what they are. Unless speaking with a forked tongue or promoting a personal agenda.

I dont hate GW. I hope he stays at Rutgers and finishes his studies. If he improved I'd cheer his progress. I most definitely don't think fans questioning his performance though are wrong and/or terrible people and/or misunderstanding the game.

So your first post here a few days ago and you already are a fountain of knowledge on Rutgers and fans who are pro Wimsatt… pro program… trying to take the positive side for at least this season. If all things were as simple as you evidently believe then we would be Georgia, Michigan or name any other top 10 team. Also , saying , “ I hope he stays and finishes his studies.” He won’t be content to relinquish his belief that he can succeed here. That is typical of someone who just “ pops.”in.

 

[rutgersal]

Even though you claim Gavin improved? You talk in circles. Gavin can improve under identical curcumstances but Simon can't. more gaslighting.

They both can and did improve but the improved offensive line play would have really benefitted Simon's game where it didn't seem to do much at all for GW decision making and accuracy. It obviously helped immensely woth his rushing.

It's all in the past now.

How could Simon improve when the WR Corp talent is much worse? There’s No Cruickshank, No Ryan, and No Jones!
Even with them, he threw 3 ints vs Nebraska and 2 ints vs Iowa.

It literally makes no sense to play Simon when this is a run oriented offense that benefits from Gavin’s rushing prowess. Gavin’s 80 yard run vs Indiana was a fact, not a figment of imagination.

Simons passing prowess is a figment of your imagination. The only place where Simon plays better is in your fantasyland.

 

[TheKnightclub]

So your first post here a few days ago and you already are a fountain of knowledge on Rutgers and fans who are pro Wimsatt… pro program… trying to take the positive side for at least this season. If all things were as simple as you evidently believe then we would be Georgia, Michigan or name any other top 10 team. Also , saying , “ I hope he stays and finishes his studies.” He won’t be content to relinquish his belief that he can succeed here. That is typical of someone who just “ pops.”

They aren't simple. That's the joke part. Of course it's oversimplified.

I never claimed to be a fountain of knowledge. Your version of a fan isn't mine. I don't have to toe the line to attend games are cheer the team. If you like doing that, more power to you.

I don't believe I have ever said anything inherently negative. If you think backing a bad option helps the team, more power to you. I disagree. It's not personal. You seem to take it personally.

 

[rutgersal]

Not really. It's the old saying. Sarcasm is truth disguised as a joke. You may or may not like the joke or the truth, but the intent is definitely not the same as gaslighting. Im not aiming to silence anyone, undermine their reality, or control their opinions. I'm just baffled by them. The numbers dont paint a good picture. There is not enough context to make them appear that much different than what they are, unless speaking with a forked tongue or promoting a personal agenda.

I dont hate GW at all. Seems like a great guy and saus all the right things. He is highly siccessful refardless of my opinion. I hope he stays at Rutgers and finishes his studies. If he improved I'd cheer his progress. I most definitely don't think fans questioning his performance though are wrong and/or terrible people and/or misunderstanding the game.

6 Wins is the only number that matters

 

[LotusAggressor]

Get Rutgers receivers two like Egbuka and Marvin Harrison along with Strong and some 2023 and 2024 players and let’s see if GW’s accuracy gets better especially with a full year and a half now. Remember his first two seasons were only several passes and a season on a injured ankle which never healed . Schiano will do what he believes is right contrary to all our experts here.

If RU got receivers of that caliber, the OC would actually have to call plays in which they were participants, which is a barrier to that kind of receiver coming here.

 

[TheKnightclub]

How could Simon improve when the WR Corp talent is much worse? There’s No Cruickshank, No Ryan, and No Jones!
Even with them, he threw 3 ints vs Nebraska and 2 ints vs Iowa.

It literally makes no sense to play Simon when this is a run oriented offense that benefits from Gavin’s rushing prowess. Gavin’s 80 yard run vs Indiana was a fact, not a figment of imagination.

Simons passing prowess is a figment of your imagination. The only place where Simon plays better is in your fantasyland.

Gavin had a nice game against Indiana. No disputing that.

I won't bother responding to fantasyland accusations. Again, not personal. Gw defense force is hot today

 

[yesrutgers01]

What gets tough is that it is not always the numbers. We can all look at the poor completion % etc.

But what I saw was beyond the numbers- from last year to this year- kid obviously put in a ton of work and improved a lot. I am seeing some throws that a lot of other QB's in college just can't make. I saw some good decisions when throwing the ball away and saw a kid that could be a game changer.
I also saw a kid that still couldn't hit those short passes, way too often over threw, locked on his primary and the coaches limited.
But the positives kept me wanting to see more and the negatives are all things that a QB or scheme can really improve.

My concern going forward- with the huge jump he made from 2022 and the start of 2023- I did not see any additional improvements, and there should have been. The numbers don't concern me but not seeing a noticeable improvement game 1 though game 12, does concern me.

 

[Shelby65]

You have your own extreme view of Schiano the other way. Mostly my take is it’s fine to be cautiously optimistic about where Schiano has the program based on this year. We went from 4 to 6 wins and demonstrated clear progress in the trenches. Consistent ablilty to develop RBs and defense all around. All of that is encouraging.

Where Al has gone off the deep end is in preemptive defense of a possible decision to die on the hill sticking with GW. I hope Schiano doesn’t choose that path. It would be a shame because outside of QB it does seem that we’re moving forward. Albeit slowly.

I've admitted the team overachieved this year and credit GS for that. Shelby's Promise, remember ?

My criticism of the hire from the beginning would have applied to virtually every defense-first HC they may have hired. That's the reason for my dislike. D guys, him included, don't value offense and scoring enough in today's game. For years I've reminded that rules favor passing offense and it's near impossible to beat good teams if you have a different philosophy, unless you are Alabama or Georgia. What's the background of Day, Harbaugh, Franklin, Locksley and now Jonathan Smith and Curt Cignetti? And of course outside the division Leipold, Kiffin, DeBoer and others ?

That accounts for most of the difference between good teams. You're a top QB or WR recruit, HS or portal. Would you go here ?

Neutered, 1950 offense doesn't beat good teams.

But, the Promise. I'll lay off until GW is again named QB1 on the first day of the 2023 redux.

 

[TheKnightclub]

What gets tough is that it is not always the numbers. We can all look at the poor completion % etc.

But what I saw was beyond the numbers- from last year to this year- kid obviously put in a ton of work and improved a lot. I am seeing some throws that a lot of other QB's in college just can't make. I saw some good decisions when throwing the ball away and saw a kid that could be a game changer.
I also saw a kid that still couldn't hit those short passes, way too often over threw, locked on his primary and the coaches limited.
But the positives kept me wanting to see more and the negatives are all things that a QB or scheme can really improve.

My concern going forward- with the huge jump he made from 2022 and the start of 2023- I did not see any additional improvements, and there should have been. The numbers don't concern me but not seeing a noticeable improvement game 1 though game 12, does concern me.

Fans refer to his Indiana game which was obviously great but his Penn st showing against a strong opponent was pretty impressive too. He shows flashes. As you point out random throws during bad games make you look twice.

 

[Shelby65]

I choose option 3- Cuse fan infatuation in a Rutger's board

Dude...Rutger's ? Anyhow, you will not find one post ever which shows my support of Cuse, good or bad. Someone confused me for someone else and it took a life of its own.

The only 'support' of a competitor you will see is that I ridicule our childish anti-"Pedd St" jealous lot for shitting on the academics there. It's a fine university, just like Rutgers is, and so are BC and Cuse for that matter.

 

[RU#1fan]

Hopefully we have a new QB

This.
Anybody who claims that we have 9 winnable games next season with the worst FBS QB from 2023 starting for us is a delusional clown. Looking at an upside of 4 wins next season: Akron, Howard,Minnesota, and either Illinois/ MSU if our current QB is starting. Need a Portal QB now.

 

[brgRC90]

His actual play won 6 games, which is good enough.

TEAM PLAY got to 6 wins

 

[Shelby65]

This
Anybody who claims that we have 9 winnable games next season with the worst FBS QB from 2023 starting for us is a delusional clown. Looking at an upside of 4 wins next season: Akron, Howard,Minnesota, and either Illinois/ MSU if our current QB is starting. Need a Portal QB now.

won't happen. no one with FBS success will come here having to compete for a job with a coach-favorite incumbent with big NIL.

 

[TheKnightclub]

His actual play won 6 games, which is good enough.

Correlation is not causation.

 

[RUBigJ]

We are putting a lot of faith in Wimsatt's accuraacy improving next year. What happens if his accuracy doesn't improve!

 

[rutgersal]

Correlation is not causation.

It not correlation. It’s causation.

• 11 Rushes for 87 yards and a TD vs VT
• 163 Passing Yards and 1 TD plus another rushing TD vs Northwestern
• 198 Passing Yards and 1 TD vs Temple
• 1TD and 2 Rushing TDS vs Wagner
• 181 Yards passing and 1 TD vs MSU
• 149 Yards Rushing and 3 Rushing TDS vs Indiana

 

[rutgersal]

We are putting a lot of faith in Wimsatt's accuraacy improving next year. What happens if his accuracy doesn't improve!

We’ll throw up another 6 wins and call it a day

 

[Kbee3]

We’ll throw up another 6 wins and call it a day

Not if we lose Monangai.

 

[RUforlife]

We’ll throw up another 6 wins and call it a day

After the first two games, next year's schedule is no cake walk, how many games do you think we will be favored to win? We got lucky this year with as to when we played NW and VTech, and a bad MSU team imploding in the 4th qtr. Things might not break our way next year.

 

[RUBOB72]

They aren't simple. That's the joke part. Of course it's oversimplified.

I never claimed to be a fountain of knowledge. Your version of a fan isn't mine. I don't have to toe the line to attend games are cheer the team. If you like doing that, more power to you.

I don't believe I have ever said anything inherently negative. If you think backing a bad option helps the team, more power to you. I disagree. It's not personal. You seem to take it personally.

And sorry you ain’t … some posters here just refuse to realize where we had been for 6 -7 years prior to Schiano. Once again some fans consider 2019 -2020-2021 as write off years. 2022-2023 as the true barometer. Now am I happy

We are putting a lot of faith in Wimsatt's accuraacy improving next year. What happens if his accuracy doesn't improve!

Then Schiano will go to using number 2-3 QB’s and the board will be back to normal arguing that Greg started a QB controversy and he is screwing Gavin.

 

[satnom]

How could Simon improve when the WR Corp talent is much worse? There’s No Cruickshank, No Ryan, and No Jones!
Even with them, he threw 3 ints vs Nebraska and 2 ints vs Iowa.

It literally makes no sense to play Simon when this is a run oriented offense that benefits from Gavin’s rushing prowess. Gavin’s 80 yard run vs Indiana was a fact, not a figment of imagination.

Simons passing prowess is a figment of your imagination. The only place where Simon plays better is in your fantasyland.

RU was 10th in total offense in BIG and 12th in total passing yds. Gavin was without doubt inaccurate on shorts passes but if some think Simon would have produced more passing or total yds with our wr and te corps you’re not looking at the numbers. Below is the top 3 receivers in catches and yds of the top 5 BIG offenses and RU:

Mich

Roman - 40 648
Cornelius - 33 503
Colston - 37 550
—————————
TOTAL - 110 - 1,701

State Penn

Lambert - 53 673
Johnson - 32 325
Warren - 29 295
—————————-
TOTAL - 114 - 1,293

OSU

Harrison JR -67 1211
Stover - 41 576
Egbuka - 45 452
—————————
TOTAL - 153 - 2,239

MD

Jones - 53 747
Felton - 48 723
Partner - 41 609
——————————
TOTAL - 142 - 2,079

ILL

Williams - 82 1055
Washington - 49 670
Bryant - 43 560
——————————
TOTAL - 174 - 2,285

RU

Dremel - 34 440
Jackson - 22 361
Washington - 24 307
——————————
TOTAL - 80 - 1,108

Lack of RU passing game was not all on Gavin’s shoulders.

GO RU

 

[TheKnightclub]

Showing numbers from GWs offense to disprove Simon's potential is dishonest at best. Gw didn't throw much and when he did he was inaccurate. You are essentially validating GW criticisms here. Look how infrequently we involved or wrs. Would those WRs have better numbers elsewhere? Would they have better numbers with a better passer?

 

[Shelby65]

We’ll throw up another 6 wins and call it a day

Next year is another free year. In fact, all years are free until the 'Fieldhouse Al Fieldhouse' is completed.

Fieldhouse - do have an agreement with GS and Hobbs for the fieldhouse to be named after you ?

 

[RUBOB72]

RU was 10th in total offense in BIG and 12th in total passing yds. Gavin was without doubt inaccurate on shorts passes but if some think Simon would have produced more passing or total yds with our wr and te corps you’re not looking at the numbers. Below is the top 3 receivers in catches and yds of the top 5 BIG offenses and RU:

Mich

Roman - 40 648
Cornelius - 33 503
Colston - 37 550
—————————
TOTAL - 110 - 1,701

State Penn

Lambert - 53 673
Johnson - 32 325
Warren - 29 295
—————————-
TOTAL - 114 - 1,293

OSU

Harrison JR -67 1211
Stover - 41 576
Egbuka - 45 452
—————————
TOTAL - 153 - 2,239

MD

Jones - 53 747
Felton - 48 723
Partner - 41 609
——————————
TOTAL - 142 - 2,079

ILL

Williams - 82 1055
Washington - 49 670
Bryant - 43 560
——————————
TOTAL - 174 - 2,285

RU

Dremel - 34 440
Jackson - 22 361
Washington - 24 307
——————————
TOTAL - 80 - 1,108

Lack of RU passing game was not all on Gavin’s shoulders.

GO RU

Only have to know by looking at our WR guys vs those other teams then add in TE’s and those inaccurate throws look worse. We needed to use the quick outs which most have brought up. Only guys like Dremel and Jackson had a chance. Not using our RB’s in the passing game also stifled our offense. I ‘m hoping during the bowl prep and spring / summer all our QB’s work on that part of the game. Schiano will( if GW stalls ) go to another QB . He may be stubborn but he ‘s not stupid contrary to the “ He Man Schiano Haters Club.

 

[Shelby65]

RU was 10th in total offense in BIG and 12th in total passing yds. Gavin was without doubt inaccurate on shorts passes but if some think Simon would have produced more passing or total yds with our wr and te corps you’re not looking at the numbers. Below is the top 3 receivers in catches and yds of the top 5 BIG offenses and RU:

Mich

Roman - 40 648
Cornelius - 33 503
Colston - 37 550
—————————
TOTAL - 110 - 1,701

State Penn

Lambert - 53 673
Johnson - 32 325
Warren - 29 295
—————————-
TOTAL - 114 - 1,293

OSU

Harrison JR -67 1211
Stover - 41 576
Egbuka - 45 452
—————————
TOTAL - 153 - 2,239

MD

Jones - 53 747
Felton - 48 723
Partner - 41 609
——————————
TOTAL - 142 - 2,079

ILL

Williams - 82 1055
Washington - 49 670
Bryant - 43 560
——————
TOTAL - 174 - 2,285

RU

Dremel - 34 440
Jackson - 22 361
Washington - 24 307
——————————
TOTAL - 80 - 1,108

Lack of RU passing game was not all on Gavin’s shoulders.

GO RU

this is nonsensical, ridiculous analysis. the low #s are a direct result of who was throwing to them AND the reluctance of the coaches to throw more based on his limitations.

 

[yesrutgers01]

To put it simply - Please point out any of the 6 losses that one of our backups were going to win and why.

I'll wait...

 

[yesrutgers01]

this is nonsensical, ridiculous analysis. the low #s are a direct result of who was throwing to them AND the reluctance of the coaches to throw more based on his limitations.

I would have liked to see the coaches allow him to open up a little more- the ironic thing though - the times we should have just pounded the ball on the ground 4 times were on when he threw his pick 6's. Go figure

 

[Shelby65]

that's not the point...yet I would say we could very well have beaten UMD and Wisky if we had a QB who could pass.

but the point is, it's inarguable that throwing the ball would give a better chance. Not a good chance to beat the 4 Top 20 teams, but a better chance.

Running 3x, including on 3rd and long only to run clock and lose by less, is demoralizing, isn't trying to win the game and also scares QB and WR recruits off. Being a running team as GS admits only gets you so far.

 

[rutgersal]

What gets tough is that it is not always the numbers. We can all look at the poor completion % etc.

But what I saw was beyond the numbers- from last year to this year- kid obviously put in a ton of work and improved a lot. I am seeing some throws that a lot of other QB's in college just can't make. I saw some good decisions when throwing the ball away and saw a kid that could be a game changer.
I also saw a kid that still couldn't hit those short passes, way too often over threw, locked on his primary and the coaches limited.
But the positives kept me wanting to see more and the negatives are all things that a QB or scheme can really improve.

My concern going forward- with the huge jump he made from 2022 and the start of 2023- I did not see any additional improvements, and there should have been. The numbers don't concern me but not seeing a noticeable improvement game 1 though game 12, does concern me.

Made it tough to see improvement since our schedule is backloaded, with the toughest teams at the back, with the exception of Michigan.

 

[rutgersal]

that's not the point...yet I would say we could very well have beaten UMD and Wisky if we had a QB who could pass.

but the point is, it's inarguable that throwing the ball would give a better chance. Not a good chance to beat the 4 Top 20 teams, but a better chance.

Running 3x, including on 3rd and long only to run clock and lose by less, is demoralizing, isn't trying to win the game and also scares QB and WR recruits off. Being a running team as GS admits only gets you so far.

The reason we don’t have a qb who can pass, is that we lack receivers who can catch. So we became a running team for better or worse.

 

[rutgersal]

Showing numbers from GWs offense to disprove Simon's potential is dishonest at best. Gw didn't throw much and when he did he was inaccurate. You are essentially validating GW criticisms here. Look how infrequently we involved or wrs. Would those WRs have better numbers elsewhere? Would they have better numbers with a better passer?

What’s being dishonest, is asserting that any of our wide receivers could play for any of the teams we lost to. They probably wouldn’t have seen the field for those teams, imo.

There is a significant talent deficiency in the WR and Tight End Rooms, which is in the process of being rectified.

Yes, Wimsatt must throw more accurately. But at times, Wimsatt threw accurate balls which were broken up by the opposing secondary, which worsened his completion percentage.

Maryland had 7 pass breakups because we threw a lot.

This why why we played to our strength, which was running the ball.

 

[TheKnightclub]

What’s being dishonest, is asserting that any of our wide receivers could play for any of the teams we lost to. They probably wouldn’t have seen the field for those teams, imo.

There is a significant talent deficiency in the WR and Tight End Rooms, which is in the process of being rectified.

Yes, Wimsatt must throw more accurately. But at times, Wimsatt threw accurate balls which were broken up by the opposing secondary, which worsened his completion percentage.

Maryland had 7 pass breakups because we threw a lot.

This why why we played to our strength, which was running the ball.

Im not disagreeing with your point about talent helping production. This is indisputable.

I asked hypothetically if our wrs played elsewhere, would their numbers be better? Let's take our conference. Is there any place the numbers would be worse? If not, doesnt that make the the statistics shown problematic?

 

[TheKnightclub]

To put it simply - Please point out any of the 6 losses that one of our backups were going to win and why.

I'll wait...

Nobody can know for sure so probably a long wait lol.

I think some fans are sold on the run first run last offense in place while others believe a more balanced offense has more upside. The two sides are likely to see very different things in the games they watch.

 

[RU#1fan]

won't happen. no one with FBS success will come here having to compete for a job with a coach-favorite incumbent with big NIL.

Not buying that … there over 40 FBS QB’s already in the Portal. Good chance a few will want an opportunity with a B1G program in the largest US market.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Made it tough to see improvement since our schedule is backloaded, with the toughest teams at the back, with the exception of Michigan.

While I do agree with the schedule back loaded, I only wish that when he did have the time and the open WR- he could have gotten better with the throws during the year.
I think I have been detailed about my support for the kid as well as my worries. If he comes in again next year with the same level improvement he made from 22-23- then I will be super excited to see what he can do, if GS allows it. My concern, is the same mistakes that he just never improved, may just be showing his ceiling.

 

[RU#1fan]

The decision that is most troubling wasnt Iowas but was when we put Wimsatt back in after his injury in the Wisconsin game. Evan was 2/3 for 30 yards and a TD. Wimsatt coming off a back breaking pick 6 and pulled for concussion protocol.

How can you rationalize in the same breath - Simon “had his chance” last year so now he’s just “done” - with this decision after arguably the worst pick imaginable by Wimsatt AND an injury? Why does Wimsatt get chance after chance and a clear path to be the starter next year after clogging in dead last this year based on “getting his chance” all year as our starter? Your logic is very inconsistent.

Al keeps moving the goal posts for Wimsatt.
Totally irrational and ridiculous conjecture.
RU fans know the major fault with our offense. Hopefully it will be addressed.

 

[brgRC90]

The reason we don’t have a qb who can pass, is that we lack receivers who can catch. So we became a running team for better or worse.

This flies in the face of having 20/20 eye sight and years of Schiano's comments. His accuracy is very very off for many throws. And though there's no doubt Schiano would rather have an accurate passer versus an inaccurate one he's made it clear he doesn't really like passing. If Schiano had a Heisman quality passer he'd still use the guy sparingly.

 

[RUBOB72]

They aren't simple. That's the joke part. Of course it's oversimplified.

I never claimed to be a fountain of knowledge. Your version of a fan isn't mine. I don't have to toe the line to attend games are cheer the team. If you like doing that, more power to you.

I don't believe I have ever said anything inherently negative. If you think backing a bad option helps the team, more power to you. I disagree. It's not personal. You seem to take it personally.

And sorry you ain’t … some posters here just refuse to realize where we had been for 6 -7 years prior to Schiano. Once again some fans consider 2019 -2020-2021 as write off years. 2022-2023 as the true barometer. Now am I happy

They aren't simple. That's the joke part. Of course it's oversimplified.

I never claimed to be a fountain of knowledge. Your version of a fan isn't mine. I don't have to toe the line to attend games are cheer the team. If you like doing that, more power to you.

I don't believe I have ever said anything inherently negative. If you think backing a bad option helps the team, more power to you. I disagree. It's not personal. You seem to take it personally.

Sorry guy but actually you do and if you don’t that is not the issue . You are evidently another who thinks he deserves to post here.You’d be right howeverI I do take it personally after 58 years of support.