WITH TEXAS EXPECTED TO MOVE ON FROM CHARLIE STRONG STAGE IS SET FOR ROBUST TURN ON COACHING CAROUSEL
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I suggest you look at their recruiting class rankings. Either way, Texas has high standards. They aren't going to put up with 3 losing seasons in a row.
Yes he kicked a bunch of kids out. He also has more talent than 99% of the teams he plays. Getting blown out isn't a depth issue. I like strong but warned he never coached without TB. He also had some bad losses while at Lville. It's Texas so people will call racism instead of just admitting he isn't getting it done.
Strong should have waited for the Florida job. That would have been the perfect spot for him. He was a great FLA recruiter. At UT you have to be a better politician than coach to succeed there.
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I think the chances are exceedingly small that they would hire someone who worked closely with Sandusky and can be even tangentially connected to that scandal.
Question for those of you who see Herman at Texas if Strong is fired. If Houston is granted entrance into the Bis 12 and they up Herman's salary accordingly do you think he would stay there and try to build on what he has done to make another big 12 elite program or jump ship and try to deal with the pressure to turn Texas around immediately?
Good question. If UH gets the invite this year and the money is upped he can stay where he is and have less headaches. More pressure at UT from the alums and boosters.
They are bots completely deaf to the outside world. Anyone connnected to pedo enabler Paterno is viewed as a plus.
GS is good builder of a program but not a good coach. If he was a good coach then he would still be in NFL. He is doing well at OSU because any one on this forum can succeed there based on the NFL talent they have there.
I would not hire a coach from a program that is super loaded with talent every year. Loo at how Ash is failing at Rutgers. He was very overrated because he was at OSU.
I would not hire a coach from a program that is super loaded with talent every year. Loo at how Ash is failing at Rutgers. He was very overrated because he was at OSU.
Seriously? This is almost as bad as the mindless Penn State fans who think Franklin deserves to be fired. Ash walked into a five-alarm dumpster fire. It's going to take multiple seasons to turn this thing around, let alone five games. He might prove to be a great coach; he might prove to be a complete failure. But anyone claiming they know which RIGHT NOW is completely blind to the reality of the situation.
The key is upping his salary accordingly. The Big 12's plan for expansion is to pay the new schools reduced shares. There is a legitimate question that even if Houston gets into the Big 12, can they afford a raise anyway? There is also an additional question. Let's say Houston can get the money together to offer Herman a competitive salary. What about his assistants? If they go all in with Herman's salary, but can't offer competitive rates to assistants, does that affect Herman's decision?
The conspiracy theorists will be out in full force if Houston gets passed up for the B12 expansion and then Herman ends up going to Texas afterwards.
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Texas, LSU, Oregon are going to be tough jobs. Expectations are high and the fans expect 9 wins or more every season. Herman only had 1 great year at Houston and they aren't his recruits. Is it the QB like Teddy Bridewater? He looks like a winner but so did Strong.
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I loathe, abhor, despise and detest the castrated steers more than anyone on this board but even I can admit this has never been the case:
Recruiting rankings for the nutless ones:
2009: #5
2010: #3
2011: #3
2012: #2
2013: #22
2014: #19
2015: #12
2016: #7
Yeah. That's awful! [winking]
You repeat this about Ash in almost every thread. Are you one of those that was touting 8-9 wins and now if Ash can't do it he is a failure?
As for Strong...never seen him win w/O TB and never saw him dominate with him...never understood the love affair win him.
Schiano- great DC and though it seems a potatoe could be successful as DC with OSU's NFL AAA team, he has made them better then they ever were.
Horrible HC though.
Franklin- Cheesesteak- hope you keep him
he is a great linebackers coach, but even more important he is one of the best recruiters and evaluators of in the country.
Nobody is calling it racism, its Texas. You can go 8-4 at Texas and get fired. When u get pad the big bucks they expect big things. With that being said if they don't get HerMann then they are making a mIstake.
Good God, you are delusional. Penn State will be lucky to get to eight wins again? Yeah, okay. It may not be Franklin but this team will be ready to get to eight wins next year or 2018.
No one wants Greg Schiano at Penn State. We might as well just hire Al Golden or keep Franklin. Hiring Greg Schiano would basically just tell the fans that Penn State doesn't want to be good and they are hiring a second rate coach and total ego maniac.
As evidenced by us hiring Franklin instead of Golden, Rhule or Schiano?
Great point.
My Franklin theory is that State College is soooo "white" that you needed to show some diversity for recruiting reasons.. akin to Willingham at Notre Dame.. and you'll be done with Franklin soon Then you'd have check marks next to the boxes for pedophile-enabler coach and black coach.
I think Greg might have learned his faults made him less of a coach then he could have been at Rutgers and might be ready to become a real good college HC.
But, though I like the way he made RU FB respectable, I don't think he will be looked at
for P-5 HC positions and will have to prove himself at a mid major program before the P-5 schools put him as a top candidate.
Between Greg and Ash, Chris was the better choice based on potential .
Schiano needs to show he's a better gameday coach then when he was the RU HC and show he can recruit with the best of them before a top program looks at him.
P-5 programs on the down side and good mid majors that lost their HC to a P-5 program might be Greg's best shot at getting a College HC position.
Maybe I didn't make myself clear. He deserves 2017. If you notice, I said it may not be Franklin in 2018.
Out of curiosity, how long are you giving Ash to get to 8 wins? I'll hang up and listen.
I think Greg might have learned his faults made him less of a coach then he could have been at Rutgers and might be ready to become a real good college HC.
But, though I like the way he made RU FB respectable, I don't think he will be looked at for P-5 HC positions and will have to prove himself at a mid major program before the P-5 schools put him as a top candidate.
Between Greg and Ash, Chris was the better choice based on potential .
Schiano needs to show he's a better gameday coach then when he was the RU HC and show he can recruit with the best of them before a top program looks at him.
P-5 programs on the down side and good mid majors that lost their HC to a P-5 program might be Greg's best shot at getting a College HC position.
And I could make the same argument that Franklin did the same at Vandy but would get beat like a rented mule because he made some comments that got posters' panties all in a bunch. I get it...truly...but let's at least be somewhat fair.
I certainly don't expect it this year or next. Year 3- 7/8 win year 4 it better be 8 or better.
So just about the same time you expect to win 8
What part is not fair Strong being grossly over rated? Schiano did a better job at RU then Franklin did at Vandy? Imagine if Schiano had had SEC $$$$?
Schiano was only available to be hired as a DC because he couldn't get a HC job, that is not an opinion that is a fact. I always loved his defenses at Rutgers so it is a good fit for him but he wasn't going to get a HC job after the terrible job he did at TB and the bad press that he got there. He needed to rebuild his image. 2006 was a very long time ago.
If he helps OSU win another NC, then he will be able to get a HC job somewhere.
People who can't see this haven't been paying attention at all. Anyone who thinks I hate the guy (why would I?) for pointing out the truth, is .. well..I don't know what else to tell you.
If he helps OSU win another NC, then he will be able to get a HC job somewhere.
People who can't see this haven't been paying attention at all. Anyone who thinks I hate the guy (why would I?) for pointing out the truth, is .. well..I don't know what else to tell you.
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That's great that he is a wonderful LB coach but he has consistently been neutered since his failed head coaching gig. He is never mentioned for Head Coaching opportunities and is DC in name only considering he is now in his third incarnation of co-dc. He is not trusted to be a stand alone DC
And still banks 1.5 million a year. Man his life must suck. He must bring some value or Urban would have already moved on from him.
The stories I have heard from my Ohio State buddies run the gamut on Fickell. Everything from that he has dirt on the whole University going back to the days of Tressell and they can't get rid of him. To the he is the heir apparent coach in waiting and everything in between. It just does not smell right.
I am with you it can't be too bad at 1.5 a year. But as we all know most coaches are egomaniacs and to constantly be overlooked for head coaching gigs and be neutered every couple years when the other co-dc moves on has to eventually eat at you. Add to the fact that he is DC in name only.
Because the RU job doesn't command that type of compensation. The Penn State job is a big-time job, and the salary is commensurate with that. Barring a dramatic shift in the salary structure for the position nationally, I'd be stunned if PSU ever hires another head football coach who makes less than $4 million to $4.5 million annually. That's why I find the talk here of Franklin's salary to be tired. No one is looking for a "value" hire; he and every PSU coach moving forward will be judged on their performance, but it should be independent of the salary because it's simply the going rate for the job. Comparing a 7-win season at $5 million to a 7-win season at $2 million is pointless, because it's highly unlikely that PSU will have a head coach making only $2 million.
