You are alienating potential fans

[ShoreLion85]

All, I want you to realize that you are alienating a large potential fan base - people like me. I am a Penn State graduate (1985-if my username didn't make that obvious). However, I am also a Jersey native, and continue to make my home in NJ. I am a Rutgers football season ticket holder, and also a regular attendee at RU wrestling matches. In other words, unless RU is competing against PSU, I am an RU fan. There are probably many. many more people just like me - people who would be in RUs corner as long as it isn't against PSU. However, the vile, unjust, disgusting accusations and inferences by some of the RU posters on this board are turning off A LOT of those people, and are starting to make me question whether or not I should be subsidizing RU athletics to the tune of hundreds of dollars per year.

Sandusky was a monster; no Penn Stater defends what he did. Stop insinuating otherwise. Stop insulting a great University and untold thousands of people who had absolutely nothing to do with any of that disgrace - and that includes the football program. The players, etc. had nothing to do with Sandusky. This is a football board - post about football.

This almost psychotic infatuation with a very sad series of events is very off-putting to people who might otherwise support RU - Jersey guys and gals that would like to see RU succeed even though they went elsewhere for college. Guys like me - proud NJers that want RU to be a Big Ten contenders - but are tired of their alma mater being unfairly attacked.

I hope you take the substance of this post in the spirit in which it was intended

 

[ArminRU]

Nobody cares. F Penn State.

 

[wheezer]

It's not people defending what Sandusky did, it is those fans that say he is innocent

Big difference.

 

[mikemarc1]

All, I want you to realize that you are alienating a large potential fan base - people like me. I am a Penn State graduate (1985-if my username didn't make that obvious). However, I am also a Jersey native, and continue to make my home in NJ. I am a Rutgers football season ticket holder, and also a regular attendee at RU wrestling matches. In other words, unless RU is competing against PSU, I am an RU fan. There are probably many. many more people just like me - people who would be in RUs corner as long as it isn't against PSU. However, the vile, unjust, disgusting accusations and inferences by some of the RU posters on this board are turning off A LOT of those people, and are starting to make me question whether or not I should be subsidizing RU athletics to the tune of hundreds of dollars per year.

Sandusky was a monster; no Penn Stater defends what he did. Stop insinuating otherwise. Stop insulting a great University and untold thousands of people who had absolutely nothing to do with any of that disgrace - and that includes the football program. The players, etc. had nothing to do with Sandusky. This is a football board - post about football.

This almost psychotic infatuation with a very sad series of events is very off-putting to people who might otherwise support RU - Jersey guys and gals that would like to see RU succeed even though they went elsewhere for college. Guys like me - proud NJers that want RU to be a Big Ten contenders - but are tired of their alma mater being unfairly attacked.

I hope you take the substance of this post in the spirit in which it was intended

Thanks for your support of RU.

I don't group all Penn Staters as bad people. but to say no PSUer defends what he did is not accurate. Lots of people believe he is innocent..heck a whole thread on your rivals board claims so.

So I think that's what most people here are denouncing..and that's much more vile, in my opinion..then people denouncing it.

Go RU!

 

[ShoreLion85]

Nobody cares. F Penn State.

Sir, I certainly hope that you, at least as far as the content of your post, do not represent the level of class and quality of Rutgers University.

 

[mikemarc1]

Sir, I certainly hope that you, at least as far as the content of your post, do not represent the level of class and quality of Rutgers University.

This is a message board.

Hope u don't base your view of a school on these kind of sites.

 

[vkj91]

All, I want you to realize that you are alienating a large potential fan base - people like me. I am a Penn State graduate (1985-if my username didn't make that obvious). However, I am also a Jersey native, and continue to make my home in NJ. I am a Rutgers football season ticket holder, and also a regular attendee at RU wrestling matches. In other words, unless RU is competing against PSU, I am an RU fan. There are probably many. many more people just like me - people who would be in RUs corner as long as it isn't against PSU. However, the vile, unjust, disgusting accusations and inferences by some of the RU posters on this board are turning off A LOT of those people, and are starting to make me question whether or not I should be subsidizing RU athletics to the tune of hundreds of dollars per year.

Sandusky was a monster; no Penn Stater defends what he did. Stop insinuating otherwise. Stop insulting a great University and untold thousands of people who had absolutely nothing to do with any of that disgrace - and that includes the football program. The players, etc. had nothing to do with Sandusky. This is a football board - post about football.

This almost psychotic infatuation with a very sad series of events is very off-putting to people who might otherwise support RU - Jersey guys and gals that would like to see RU succeed even though they went elsewhere for college. Guys like me - proud NJers that want RU to be a Big Ten contenders - but are tired of their alma mater being unfairly attacked.

I hope you take the substance of this post in the spirit in which it was intended

First, there aren't a lot of people like you.
Second, and what PSU fans can't seem to comprehend is it was not just Sandusky. When the school, its fans, and alumni stop honoring a man that allowed this To happen the rest of the country might stop taking about it. Until then you will remain Pedd State.

 

[NickKnight 1]

Let me get this straight, you follow Paterno football knowing what he covered up?

 

[superfan01]

Don't want pedd state people in stadium. Can't trust them.

 

[ShoreLion85]

First, there aren't a lot of people like you.
Second, and what PSU fans can't seem to comprehend is it was not just Sandusky. When the school, its fans, and alumni stop honoring a man that allowed this To happen the rest of the country might stop taking about it. Until then you will remain Pedd State.

Well, with that attitude, and another unfair, unproven allegation against a dead man, there will certainly be less and less people like me. And there might be one less before next season. No offense, but from what Ive seen this year at RU home games, you need as many fans as you can get - are you sure you want to alienate what could be hundreds of them? Think about it.

 

[ClassOf02]

I happen to agree that we have a portion of this board that seems to obsess a bit over the Penn State Sandusky scandal. So yeah, there are some douchy RU fans.

But -- and I hope you take this in the spirit in which it's intended -- it might be a good idea for you to take stock of your own fan base as well. If you're going to judge us on some people who post here (who may or may not be true RU fans), then I'd ask you to swing on by BWI for a bit. Then come back here and tell us how awful we are.

 

[Rutgersnj201]

Nobody cares. F Penn State.

100% agree

 

[shields]

i went to PSU last year and game was over and PSU student was cursing at me walking to my hotel. And i said nothing to the kid, bad apples everywhere.

 

[jay_hq]

Judging an entire fan base and school by a few individuals' behavior is just as bad as someone judging an entire fan base and school because of an individual raping children in the Penn State locker locker rooms, a head coach that ignored it, an administration staff that covered it up, and a fan base that still worships these individuals.

Oh wait. Its not just as bad. No children were raped and their lives ruined here.

 

[vkj91]

Well, with that attitude, and another unfair, unproven allegation against a dead man, there will certainly be less and less people like me. And there might be one less before next season. No offense, but from what Ive seen this year at RU home games, you need as many fans as you can get - are you sure you want to alienate what could be hundreds of them? Think about it.

Again, there aren't hundreds of them. Not even close. He had 40 years to step up and he didn't...so sorry he can't defend himself while he rots in hell.

 

[ShoreLion85]

I happen to agree that we have a portion of this board that seems to obsess a bit over the Penn State Sandusky scandal. So yeah, there are some douchy RU fans.

But -- and I hope you take this in the spirit in which it's intended -- it might be a good idea for you to take stock of your own fan base as well. If you're going to judge us on some people who post here (who may or may not be true RU fans), then I'd ask you to swing on by BWI for a bit. Then come back here and tell us how awful we are.

I don't think you are awful, and as I stated, I like RU -every fanbase has their, shall we say, less than welcoming bunch - PSU's included. I'm not trying to paint with a broad brush - just trying to raise an issue that perhaps RU folks hadn't thought about - Jerseyites that could be fans/supporters that some of these threads chasing away

 

[Knight Shift]

All, I want you to realize that you are alienating a large potential fan base - people like me. I am a Penn State graduate (1985-if my username didn't make that obvious). However, I am also a Jersey native, and continue to make my home in NJ. I am a Rutgers football season ticket holder, and also a regular attendee at RU wrestling matches. In other words, unless RU is competing against PSU, I am an RU fan. There are probably many. many more people just like me - people who would be in RUs corner as long as it isn't against PSU. However, the vile, unjust, disgusting accusations and inferences by some of the RU posters on this board are turning off A LOT of those people, and are starting to make me question whether or not I should be subsidizing RU athletics to the tune of hundreds of dollars per year.

Sandusky was a monster; no Penn Stater defends what he did. Stop insinuating otherwise. Stop insulting a great University and untold thousands of people who had absolutely nothing to do with any of that disgrace - and that includes the football program. The players, etc. had nothing to do with Sandusky. This is a football board - post about football.

This almost psychotic infatuation with a very sad series of events is very off-putting to people who might otherwise support RU - Jersey guys and gals that would like to see RU succeed even though they went elsewhere for college. Guys like me - proud NJers that want RU to be a Big Ten contenders - but are tired of their alma mater being unfairly attacked.

I hope you take the substance of this post in the spirit in which it was intended

Points made already- message boards bring out fanatics and the best and WORST in fans. BWI has a long and deplorable thread right now defending deplorable behavior. Rutgers fans are not alone in their disdain and disgust for a vocal segment of the Penn State fan base's denial of wrongdoing and honoring of the man in charge who allowed it to go on. This same view pretty much universally shared by other B1G fanbases and college football fans in general.

Your argument sounds a lot like Hillary's basket of deplorables statement about Trump voters. As always, not everyone in the basket is deplorable, and you can't lump everyone into one basket. There are some good apples in the basket.

You need to understand that cuts both ways--just as you are not a Joebot and defender of deplorable behavior, there are probably more Rutgers fans that are neutral about the Penn State past issue--and you can't let the vocal statement of handful of fans define RU's fanbase.

 

[ShoreLion85]

Judging an entire fan base and school by a few individuals' behavior is just as bad as someone judging an entire fan base and school because of an individual raping children in the Penn State locker locker rooms, a head coach that ignored it, an administration staff that covered it up, and a fan base that still worships these individuals.

Oh wait. Its not just as bad. No children were raped and their lives ruined here.

I can see that this discussion is pointless - sorry I wasted your time. RU has just lost one fan/$$supporter, and probably has lost many more. It's a shame.

 

[ClassOf02]

I don't think you are awful, and as I stated, I like RU -every fanbase has their, shall we say, less than welcoming bunch - PSU's included. I'm not trying to paint with a broad brush - just trying to raise an issue that perhaps RU folks hadn't thought about - Jerseyites that could be fans/supporters that some of these threads chasing away

That's fine, but you're coming at this from a perspective of a Jerseyite who is first a Penn State fan, then maybe a casual RU fan after that. All due respect, I don't think RU wants to target fans that fit that profile, nor do I want them to.

It's actually sorta condescending. "Hey, you guys need fans. I'll be one even though I really support your biggest and closest conference rival first and foremost."

Not really what RU needs. And yes we are down right now. When we're not down, we have no problems packing 'me in and giving our team a great home field advantage.

 

[NickKnight 1]

I don't think you are awful, and as I stated, I like RU -every fanbase has their, shall we say, less than welcoming bunch - PSU's included. I'm not trying to paint with a broad brush - just trying to raise an issue that perhaps RU folks hadn't thought about - Jerseyites that could be fans/supporters that some of these threads chasing away

We don't want that fan base, including you. Football does not come before child rape.

 

[ArminRU]

Sir, I certainly hope that you, at least as far as the content of your post, do not represent the level of class and quality of Rutgers University.

 

[Randal7]

Well, with that attitude, and another unfair, unproven allegation against a dead man, there will certainly be less and less people like me. And there might be one less before next season. No offense, but from what Ive seen this year at RU home games, you need as many fans as you can get - are you sure you want to alienate what could be hundreds of them? Think about it.

Thanks for your charity. Your really good at the backhanded compliments. Do us all a favor and don't renew for next season -- your positivity being infectious and all, I'm sure we will really miss you as an ambassador.

Oh -- and no matter how disproportionately the rutgers fans talk negatively about penn state (and I'll admit, we do), I want you to know that everybody thinks it. The PSU reputation will never be restored, certainly not in our lifetimes. So rest on that one

 

[vkj91]

I can see that this discussion is pointless - sorry I wasted your time. RU has just lost one fan/$$supporter, and probably has lost many more. It's a shame.

You are a season ticket holder who had been a member here for 1 month yet you are making a decision based on a message board that you just started visiting. Sorry not buying it.

 

[e5fdny]

Fun banter. Apparently we all just love it.

That's what he wants. And I ain't talking about the OP.

 

[shields]

I work with special needs kids. Just can't imagine what happened at Penn State. And yes I do not lump all Penn State fans in same class.

 

[Knight Shift]

I can see that this discussion is pointless - sorry I wasted your time. RU has just lost one fan/$$supporter, and probably has lost many more. It's a shame.

You need to grow a set and read my post above. You are letting a couple of posters here define your view of Rutgers fans.

Do you want the folks in this thread to speak for and define Penn State fans?
https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threa...-happened-in-penn-state’s-locker-room.155482/

 

[_dave_]

They really need to set up a safe space in the stadium for people who feel like their team is being challenged or they, themselves, are uncomfortable for any reason.

 

[jay_hq]

I can see that this discussion is pointless - sorry I wasted your time. RU has just lost one fan/$$supporter, and probably has lost many more. It's a shame.

Enjoy cheering for just one team here on that support rape enablers.

You choose to overlook a fanbase that worships a rape enabler. But you cant overlook a few fans doing what sports fans do. That is the very defination of a cult member.

I am glad we lost you as a fan.

 

[SirScarlet]

Again, there aren't hundreds of them. Not even close. He had 40 years to step up and he didn't...so sorry he can't defend himself while he rots in hell.

This. especially the part where joe rots in hell.

Piece of garbage he was.

#joeknew

 

[hbbsm713]

I can see that this discussion is pointless - sorry I wasted your time. RU has just lost one fan/$$supporter, and probably has lost many more. It's a shame.

Taking what is said on a message board to heart screams of bigger problems. I'm sorry, you could be a great guy but there is not a lot of people like you in NJ. In my experience, penn st fans from NJ are some of the biggest douche bags I've ever met. Gaining their support is not going to make or break our fanbase.

 

[jay_hq]

 

[jay_hq]

 

[ShoreLion85]

You are a season ticket holder who had been a member here for 1 month yet you are making a decision based on a message board that you just started visiting. Sorry not buying it.

Yes - this the third season of Big Ten football/wrestling for RU, and so I'm a multiple-year season ticket holder. I even wear an RU hat that a good friend who is an RU alum gave to me. It's not condescending to hope your home state's university succeeds. And I'll bet there are a lot of PSU alums in NJ just like me - PSU first, but they want RU to succeed. I don't understand why that concept is so alien to the people on this board. Do you doubt my sincerity? Why? I PAY to see RU compete - doesn't that enter into the equation? Don't you think I'd LOVE it if RU beats Michigan again, or beats OSU? Of course I would. Hence, thie reason for starting this thread - people representing the RU fanbase ARE in fact alienating a potentially large group of people who could be active fans and supporters of RU athletics. But you're not giving them a reason to be; indstead, soe of you are chasing them away. Why?

 

[jay_hq]

Yes - this the third season of Big Ten football/wrestling for RU, and so I'm a multiple-year season ticket holder. I even wear an RU hat that a good friend who is an RU alum gave to me. It's not condescending to hope your home state's university succeeds. And I'll bet there are a lot of PSU alums in NJ just like me - PSU first, but they want RU to succeed. I don't understand why that concept is so alien to the people on this board. Do you doubt my sincerity? Why? I PAY to see RU compete - doesn't that enter into the equation? Don't you think I'd LOVE it if RU beats Michigan again, or beats OSU? Of course I would. Hence, thie reason for starting this thread - people representing the RU fanbase ARE in fact alienating a potentially large group of people who could be active fans and supporters of RU athletics. But you're not giving them a reason to be; indstead, soe of you are chasing them away. Why?

Did Joe Paterno and the Penn State administration overlook the raping so they wouldn't alienate fans?

Jokes on them! Their fans worship Joe anyway.

 

[Extra Point]

I don't understand the people who are hanging on to old news so tightly. The legendary Coach Paterno passed away, everyone is in jail, the PSU team is all new players. Penn State has a clean slate and the fans should be proud of how their team is playing.

 

[jay_hq]

I don't understand the people who are hanging on to old news so tightly. The legendary Coach Paterno passed away, everyone is in jail, the PSU team is all new players. Penn State has a clean slate and the fans should be proud of how their team is playing.

You left out the part about them still putting up statues of and worshipping a pedo enabler THIS SEASON.

 

[Caliknight]

Penn St. fans, the country thinks very little of you and your school. You have a lot of work to do to change that.

I'd start by taking down the Paterno statue. Again. It represents everything you should disassociate yourself with.

Rutgers fans can be boorish and outspoken, but make no mistake. They aren't unique in how Penn St. is viewed. Mention Penn St. in Ca. and people immediately think child rape.

Clean up the mess and people might think differently. It isn't just what happened and the internal lack of response, though that is a big part of it. It's the way the fan base reacted after all of that came to light.

I imagine being in a rural part of a state no one thinks much about is easy to circle those wagons, but that doesn't mean the rest of the country isn't paying attention. Do the right thing. I believe there are enough good people there to understand that.

 

[RUBOB72]

Boo Hoo Hoo....ShoreLion85...sincerely doubt your fan / donation B.S. toward Rutgers.

 

[NorthNJRUFan]

I can see that this discussion is pointless - sorry I wasted your time. RU has just lost one fan/$$supporter, and probably has lost many more. It's a shame.

Please take your pretend support of RU and focus your efforts and money into your own schools alumnis disgusting attempts to say Sandusky is innocent and end your own joe-pa worship and we will be glad to have you take the pretend money you give to Rutgers away.

 

[FanuSanu52]

This is a message board.

Hope u don't base your view of a school on these kind of sites.

All women are dirty, dirty minxes ... I learnt it on the Interwebz.

 

[billhilf]

First, there aren't a lot of people like you.
Second, and what PSU fans can't seem to comprehend is it was not just Sandusky. When the school, its fans, and alumni stop honoring a man that allowed this To happen the rest of the country might stop taking about it. Until then you will remain Pedd State.

Vkj91 nailed it and he took the words right out of my mouth. Let me echo some of what he said and see if I can add anything new.

1. I really don't think there are "many many" people like you who graduated from psu, live in nj, hold rutgers season tickets, and root for rutgers anytime they are not playing psu. While I certainly respect and appreciate that you root for rutgers, I don't think anyone here expects people who went to other schools in the big ten to root for another member of the conference. Not saying we should root against the others always, but we certainly don't expect you to be rutgers fans anymore than a rutgers grad who lives in Ohio should be expected to be an ohio state fan. Again it's great that you are, but I don't think we should expect your case to be the norm.

2. What PSU fans don't seem to realize (or maybe they just dont care) is that it was the culture where football was always first no matter what that allowed this to happen. We all understand what it means to be a football fanatic, and we likely wouldn't be on this board if we weren't. However, when you protect the program above everything else, you put yourself in a position to allow terrible things to happen. Much like watergate, it wasn't just the crime that was bad (although in sanduskys case the crime was about as bad as it gets) but the cover up that made psu allow more children to become victims, and look shameful in the eyes of just about everyone. What should have followed was a collective "look in the mirror" by the penn state fan base. They should have denounced the football program and demanded the truth come out. They should have accepted the somewhat lenient punishment (in the eyes of many), thought about how to change the culture to never allow this kind of thing to happen again, and been proud of the university from trying to fix things. To be fair some penn state fans, including my father and to a lesser extent my sister who are grads pretty much did just that. They then moved on and became fans of their team again while still acknowledging the sins of the past (much like most people in this nation still love it, but acknowledge our sins like slavery of the past). No reasonable person should be asking penn state fans to stop rooting for their team, we just wanted you to admit the sins that the football culture created. Instead many psu fans reacted with anger and outrage, and while most did not minimize the crime, they certainly minimized the idea that the culture enabled the crimes. This is what I think angers and upsets people the most or at least it's what upsets me the most.

Having said all of that, I do believe that many posters need to back off a little bit. I do not think that it is right to say some of the nasty things that have been said. Nor do I think someone should be ridiculed for supporting their team or university, even if It is penn state.

Just my take.