You are alienating potential fans

[ShoreLion85]

Boo Hoo Hoo....ShoreLion85...sincerely doubt your fan / donation B.S. toward Rutgers.

Then you are sincerely wrong. And I have good seats, too - 35 yd line. Looking forward to tonights game. And I wouldn't attempt to BS anyone - I was trying to show the RU folks that there are supporters out there to get, rather than to chase away. Apparently, many of you aren't interested. That's fine - but there are a lot of RU alums that have friends/relatives that went elsewhere to school. Many to PSU. There is nothing wrong with NJ natives hoping that NJs University succeeds. Just trying to help.

PS: I've already committed to renewing my season ticket for next season, so you'll be wrong - again.

 

[RUJohnny99]

Darn. I thought this thread was going to be about renaming the school New Jersey University, instead of after that slave owner.

 

[NickKnight 1]

You lost me at "I'm from NJ" we know how sick the PA. fans are and why,
but Please don't tell people you are from NJ and root for State Penn over us.

 

[AshCatchEm]

All, I want you to realize that you are alienating a large potential fan base - people like me. I am a Penn State graduate (1985-if my username didn't make that obvious). However, I am also a Jersey native, and continue to make my home in NJ. I am a Rutgers football season ticket holder, and also a regular attendee at RU wrestling matches. In other words, unless RU is competing against PSU, I am an RU fan. There are probably many. many more people just like me - people who would be in RUs corner as long as it isn't against PSU. However, the vile, unjust, disgusting accusations and inferences by some of the RU posters on this board are turning off A LOT of those people, and are starting to make me question whether or not I should be subsidizing RU athletics to the tune of hundreds of dollars per year.

Sandusky was a monster; no Penn Stater defends what he did. Stop insinuating otherwise. Stop insulting a great University and untold thousands of people who had absolutely nothing to do with any of that disgrace - and that includes the football program. The players, etc. had nothing to do with Sandusky. This is a football board - post about football.

This almost psychotic infatuation with a very sad series of events is very off-putting to people who might otherwise support RU - Jersey guys and gals that would like to see RU succeed even though they went elsewhere for college. Guys like me - proud NJers that want RU to be a Big Ten contenders - but are tired of their alma mater being unfairly attacked.

I hope you take the substance of this post in the spirit in which it was intended

Cry about it some more. Psu honored Joe pa this year. That by itself is disgusting. The man is rotting in hell and for good cause.

 

[NickKnight 1]

Darn. I thought this thread was going to be about renaming the school New Jersey University, instead of after that slave owner.

Read the article again, he wasn't actually a slave owner, and besides that
we weren't the United States of America then we were a colony of England People of NJ gave
10s of thousand of lives during the civil war to make this a free country,

 

[mildone]

Yes - this the third season of Big Ten football/wrestling for RU, and so I'm a multiple-year season ticket holder. I even wear an RU hat that a good friend who is an RU alum gave to me. It's not condescending to hope your home state's university succeeds. And I'll bet there are a lot of PSU alums in NJ just like me - PSU first, but they want RU to succeed. I don't understand why that concept is so alien to the people on this board. Do you doubt my sincerity? Why? I PAY to see RU compete - doesn't that enter into the equation? Don't you think I'd LOVE it if RU beats Michigan again, or beats OSU? Of course I would. Hence, thie reason for starting this thread - people representing the RU fanbase ARE in fact alienating a potentially large group of people who could be active fans and supporters of RU athletics. But you're not giving them a reason to be; indstead, soe of you are chasing them away. Why?

I'm not one of the RU fans who demonizes Penn State. I just want to beat them at football because I'm a fan of the RU football team. I have no antipathy towards the university beyond that and have many friends who went to Penn State - all really good people.

I would happily shoot any child-abuser (and I'm not just talking about rape here) in the head, if I were legally allowed to do so. Unfortunately, child abuse is far more prevalent than just PSU or the Church. It's everywhere. People need to be constantly vigilant and to err on the side of protecting children.

But I understand what you're trying to say here. Problem is, you are trying to control how other people feel - to convince people to feel differently for a logical reason. That almost never works. All we can control is ourselves.

You don't like it that RU fans generalize the actions or behavior of some Penn State fans onto everyone associated with the Penn State. Which is fine and makes perfect sense to me. But then, by the same logic, you should know better than to associate the actions or behavior of some RU fans onto everyone associated with RU.

No reason to stop being a fan of the RU wrestling or other sports programs. Just ignore those who, for whatever reason, want to generalize the bad behavior of some onto everyone. That kind of crap goes on everywhere.

 

[mildone]

All women are dirty, dirty minxes ... I learnt it on the Interwebz.

That's why I love them so much.

 

[IL Lusciato]

RU is currently a national embarrassment on the football field. So I havnt said anything. I also plan in leaving st halftime of tonight's beat down bc otherwise I'll be drunk and angry and may say something.

 

[koleszar]

Well, with that attitude, and another unfair, unproven allegation against a dead man, there will certainly be less and less people like me. And there might be one less before next season. No offense, but from what Ive seen this year at RU home games, you need as many fans as you can get - are you sure you want to alienate what could be hundreds of them? Think about it.

YES.:)

 

[RU#1fan]

[QUOTE="ShoreLion85, . However, the vile, unjust, disgusting accusations and inferences by some of the RU posters on this board are turning off A LOT of those people, and are starting to make me question whether or not I should be subsidizing RU athletics to the tune of hundreds of dollars per year.


Wow.
Hundreds of dollars. You big spender you.
I give thousands and will more than make up your puny amount.

 

[fatsam98]

All, I want you to realize that you are alienating a large potential fan base - people like me. I am a Penn State graduate (1985-if my username didn't make that obvious). However, I am also a Jersey native, and continue to make my home in NJ. I am a Rutgers football season ticket holder, and also a regular attendee at RU wrestling matches. In other words, unless RU is competing against PSU, I am an RU fan. There are probably many. many more people just like me - people who would be in RUs corner as long as it isn't against PSU. However, the vile, unjust, disgusting accusations and inferences by some of the RU posters on this board are turning off A LOT of those people, and are starting to make me question whether or not I should be subsidizing RU athletics to the tune of hundreds of dollars per year.

Sandusky was a monster; no Penn Stater defends what he did. Stop insinuating otherwise. Stop insulting a great University and untold thousands of people who had absolutely nothing to do with any of that disgrace - and that includes the football program. The players, etc. had nothing to do with Sandusky. This is a football board - post about football.

This almost psychotic infatuation with a very sad series of events is very off-putting to people who might otherwise support RU - Jersey guys and gals that would like to see RU succeed even though they went elsewhere for college. Guys like me - proud NJers that want RU to be a Big Ten contenders - but are tired of their alma mater being unfairly attacked.

I hope you take the substance of this post in the spirit in which it was intended

 

[ATIOH]

Yeeeeeaaah, I'm going to have to call bullsh*t on the OP.

There are many kinds of trolls, but imho, this is the worst kind. The ones that act like fans and "gently" try to push the fanbase from within. There are few things I hate more.

OP, be a man say what you really think. Don't come here with that weak sauce.

 

[jay_hq]

Yeeeeeaaah, I'm going to have to call bullsh*t on the OP.

There are many kinds of trolls, but imho, this is the worst kind. The ones that act like fans and "gently" try to push the fanbase from within. There are few things I hate more.

OP, be a man say what you really think. Don't come here with that weak sauce.

Bingo.

I like how he comes around acting like hes doing us a huge favor by "subsidizing the athletic department" when he doesnt want to. If you're not a fan, dont try to be one and piss off. No one is forcing you.

Enjoy worshipping a pedo enabler.

 

[RutCorRx]

Cry about it some more. Psu honored Joe pa this year. That by itself is disgusting. The man is rotting in hell and for good cause.

This is all that needs to be said. The entire culture of rot is still there. Nuke it from orbit and be done.

But why can't we think of those poor poor dual fans we'll be alienating. I'd still be ashamed to my wear colors if I was a PSU grad after that nightmare came to surface. Just horrifying to think about.

 

[GSGS]

Sandusky was a monster; no Penn Stater defends what he did. Stop insinuating otherwise. Stop insulting a great University and untold thousands of people who had absolutely nothing to do with any of that disgrace - and that includes the football program. The players, etc. had nothing to do with Sandusky. This is a football board - post about football.

Problem #1: Um, if you read the BWI board half as religiously as you read this one, you will know that the bolded statement above is far from true.

Problem #2: There are some crimes where the cover-up is as bad as the crime itself, especially when it perpetuates the criminal activity. Watergate is an example, protecting a pedophile is another.

That said, don't worry, our AD has told us that we need to be nice to pedophile enablers this week, so I just gave a donation to the Boston Archdioseise.

 

[RU848789]

First, there aren't a lot of people like you.
Second, and what PSU fans can't seem to comprehend is it was not just Sandusky. When the school, its fans, and alumni stop honoring a man that allowed this To happen the rest of the country might stop taking about it. Until then you will remain Pedd State.

Well, actually, there are quite a few people like him. Of our crew of 15, two grew up as PSU fans, but are now equally RU fans, and two of our previous regulars were PSU grads/fans, who moved away from NJ. In addition, we have several people who come to an occasional game against other teams who happen to be PSU grads/fans. We also have a couple of regulars who are UM/MSU grads, but enjoy going to RU games since they've relocated to NJ.

Same is true for another group of about 30 that I know go to the games - several of the spouses and kids are PSU grads/fans, but they're big supporters of RU, except on days that we play PSU. While, like any good RU fan, I can't stand PSU, I don't hate all PSU fans - that would just be stupid. And yes, there are quite a few delusional deniers amongst PSU fans, who should be excoriated, as we often do here, but that doesn't mean all PSU fans are like that.

 

[ATIOH]

Well, actually, there are quite a few people like him. Of our crew of 15, two grew up as PSU fans, but are now equally RU fans, and two of our previous regulars were PSU grads/fans, who moved away from NJ. In addition, we have several people who come to an occasional game against other teams who happen to be PSU grads/fans. We also have a couple of regulars who are UM/MSU grads, but enjoy going to RU games since they've relocated to NJ.

Same is true for another group of about 30 that I know go to the games - several of the spouses and kids are PSU grads/fans, but they're big supporters of RU, except on days that we play PSU. While, like any good RU fan, I can't stand PSU, I don't hate all PSU fans - that would just be stupid. And yes, there are quite a few delusional deniers amongst PSU fans, who should be excoriated, as we often do here, but that doesn't mean all PSU fans are like that.

So just to be clear, would any of those people give up their Rutgers season tickets, because they felt alienated by what is said on this board?

Are they turned off by our "vile, unjust, disgusting accusations and inferences?"

 

[MADHAT1]

ShoreLion85,
I hope you posted on BWI about how those denying Paterno was involved and/or Sandusky wasn't given a fair trial are driving fans like you away from defending PSU's reputation. I also feel you should state how you're consider not going to Beaver Stadium because of what's being said on the BWI message board about Sandusky and Paterno.
If what's being said here upsets you, you should also be upset with what's being said on BWI

 

[RutCorRx]

No no, you all don't get it. ShoreLion blesses us with his hundreds of dollars per year. And he doesn't want to have to hear anything bad being said about his child rapist heroes. Its honestly distressing to him to have to hear people remind him about how his university covered up for a child rapist and then honored a man that was part of it just a couple of weeks ago.

No no, we should cover our moths and censor ourselves just like JoePa, when his graciousness ShoreLion buys a pretzel at the stadium to further subsidize our football program. Heaven forbid he would have to hear about the crimes his university commited.

Please people, think! Next time you condemn raping children.....won't you please think,of the poor Penn State fans? They're the REAL victims here.

 

[djrc89]

A couple of thoughts. I realize that you believe you're coming in peace. However, posting ״you're alienating ..." isn't exactly a productive way to begin a conversation with your rival. I don't go to the bwi board but I suspect if that thread was started by a Rutgers fan on that site we'd have been banned immediately. Your post accuses the entire fan base which is ridiculous as has been stated here before.
In addition .. we're awful right now and maybe for some time but we are a member of this league. We are great rivals in other sports and over time the rivalries will grow. It's only natural. So I know it's silly to compare long standing rivalries but for purpose of argument I doubt any osu fan living in Michigan would make such a comment for perceived fan behavior. I think they'd b considered ridiculous for posting it

 

[waretown]

I can see that this discussion is pointless - sorry I wasted your time. RU has just lost one fan/$$supporter, and probably has lost many more. It's a shame.

where are your seats? a friend of mine is looking to get to a better position. since you say you are a money man you must have great seats

 

[RU31trap]

All, I want you to realize that you are alienating a large potential fan base - people like me. I am a Penn State graduate (1985-if my username didn't make that obvious). However, I am also a Jersey native, and continue to make my home in NJ. I am a Rutgers football season ticket holder, and also a regular attendee at RU wrestling matches. In other words, unless RU is competing against PSU, I am an RU fan. There are probably many. many more people just like me - people who would be in RUs corner as long as it isn't against PSU. However, the vile, unjust, disgusting accusations and inferences by some of the RU posters on this board are turning off A LOT of those people, and are starting to make me question whether or not I should be subsidizing RU athletics to the tune of hundreds of dollars per year.

Sandusky was a monster; no Penn Stater defends what he did. Stop insinuating otherwise. Stop insulting a great University and untold thousands of people who had absolutely nothing to do with any of that disgrace - and that includes the football program. The players, etc. had nothing to do with Sandusky. This is a football board - post about football.

This almost psychotic infatuation with a very sad series of events is very off-putting to people who might otherwise support RU - Jersey guys and gals that would like to see RU succeed even though they went elsewhere for college. Guys like me - proud NJers that want RU to be a Big Ten contenders - but are tired of their alma mater being unfairly attacked.

I hope you take the substance of this post in the spirit in which it was intended

This Rutgers fan hears you loud and clear. What Mr. Sandusky did is unconscionable. I had hoped that he would have been given the death sentence, but a life sentence is ok with me. With that being said, the Penn State athletes, coaches and the overwhelming number of Penn State fans have absolutely nothing to do with this incident. This Rutgers fan finds all the Sandusky threads to be divisive, antagonistic and demoralizing. We as a fanbase should be concerned about a program that is in complete disarray, instead we are consumed and obsessed about an individual who is in jail for life. Someone please tell me how discussing Mr. Sandusky to ad nauseam is going to turn this program around.

 

[ATIOH]

A couple of thoughts. I realize that you believe you're coming in peace.

Don't treat this troll OP like a real poster. He'd love for us to legitimize him.

ShoreLion, I will donate $100 to THON or the charity of your choice, IF you post a screen print of your priority point total. You've been a season ticket holder for three years so you know what that is.

*to prevent any shenanigans, it needs to be posted in the next 30 minutes.
*I'd recommend a charity that helps molested kids, but again your choice.

 

[RUBound]

ShoreLion - great that you support your home state program by purchasing season tix and going to the games - BUT there was absolutely no need for this post. You should have known it will just anger a whole bunch of posters on here. And if that was your intention - to flame - then you and the rest of the PSU fans in denial about Joe Paterno's culpability in the cover up can go to hell.

 

[RMSko]

I can see that this discussion is pointless - sorry I wasted your time. RU has just lost one fan/$$supporter, and probably has lost many more. It's a shame.

Let me get this straight. So you're gonna give up your season tix and stop supporting RU football b/c of a few posts on a message board? That's pretty sad if you're the type of person swayed that easily.

I read your OP and thought that it was a fair peace offering. That said, this need not turn into a debate about what Sandusky did. There is little dispute that the school did not do anything to curtail it even though it was in their power to do so. My gut is that PSU students just wish the world will move on, however, it's just not that simple.

In fairness, I think some RU fans use the Sandusky scandal as a crutch to support their hate for all things PSU. IMO even without that scandal there would likely still be the same level of disdain for PSU. Whether PSU wants to admit it or not, there is a rivalry between the two schools. Part of that is because of the PSU superiority complex when it comes to anything RU. It's hard to argue that here ain't a lot of love lost between the 2 schools.

 

[NickKnight 1]

ShoreLion - great that you support your home state program by purchasing season tix and going to the games - BUT there was absolutely no need for this post. You should have known it will just anger a whole bunch of posters on here. And if that was your intention - to flame - then you and the rest of the PSU fans in denial about Joe Paterno's culpability in the cover up can go to hell.

Monitors please close this thread. This OP is on to flame, that's all.

 

[FELONIOUSMONK]

The more serious and honest you are on this venue the more you will get hammered. Just like polling. Depends on who you ask where you ask them when you ask them and how you present your argument
.Sandusky did a horrific thing and was allowed to persist in the light of day. Rutgers has had their share of silly scandals as well . Enjoy the game and New Beunswick.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Not a good post by the OP because a dozen or two fans who post on a message board do not represent Rutgers University nor do they rep the vast majority of RU fans/backers.

Enjoy the game everyone.

 

[TonyLieske]

Opee should delete his account then KHS.

 

[ATIOH]

Someone please tell me how discussing Mr. Sandusky to ad nauseam........

I'm guessing you don't see the irony of a JoeBot starting this thread though?

For the record, I wish there were less Sandusky threads too.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Let me get this straight, you follow Paterno football knowing what he cover up?

Yeah.. agree.. that is a very weird OP.

Rutgers fans talking about how bad the Penn State admin, coaches and fans handled the whole Sandusky thing is in such bad taste that we might lose him, and some others, as fans...

..yet what JoePA and the Penn State admin and fans did in the light of the child rape scandal is not enough to turn him off of Penn State football.

Is it me or does the reaction of Penn State fans get worse and worse as the years wear on?

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Dumbest thread ever. That's saying a lot, BTW!

 

[yesrutgers01]

Well, with that attitude, and another unfair, unproven allegation against a dead man, there will certainly be less and less people like me. And there might be one less before next season. No offense, but from what Ive seen this year at RU home games, you need as many fans as you can get - are you sure you want to alienate what could be hundreds of them? Think about it.

I just couldnt bring myself to read past this post. Let me try to say this with as much class as I can muster for you. STFU you pretentious condescending asswipe.
You come on here and want to tell us what to say, do or believe. You say we need you and others like you? No we don't. What we need to do is wipe the dirt of the last 4 years off us and start winning. Once we start to win, the stadium will be full and we will not care where your ass is when we are playing.
It is actually funny that you selected VKJ to post against. Actually, ironic as he has been a long time PSU season ticket holder as well as a huge RU fan and supporter.

And like he said, it isn't even about Sandusky anymore. It isn't about kids who are on the team. It is exactly your first line above that pisses off the entire country.

 

[RUBand]

All, I want you to realize that you are alienating a large potential fan base - people like me. I am a Penn State graduate (1985-if my username didn't make that obvious). However, I am also a Jersey native, and continue to make my home in NJ. I am a Rutgers football season ticket holder, and also a regular attendee at RU wrestling matches. In other words, unless RU is competing against PSU, I am an RU fan. There are probably many. many more people just like me - people who would be in RUs corner as long as it isn't against PSU. However, the vile, unjust, disgusting accusations and inferences by some of the RU posters on this board are turning off A LOT of those people, and are starting to make me question whether or not I should be subsidizing RU athletics to the tune of hundreds of dollars per year.

Sandusky was a monster; no Penn Stater defends what he did. Stop insinuating otherwise. Stop insulting a great University and untold thousands of people who had absolutely nothing to do with any of that disgrace - and that includes the football program. The players, etc. had nothing to do with Sandusky. This is a football board - post about football.

This almost psychotic infatuation with a very sad series of events is very off-putting to people who might otherwise support RU - Jersey guys and gals that would like to see RU succeed even though they went elsewhere for college. Guys like me - proud NJers that want RU to be a Big Ten contenders - but are tired of their alma mater being unfairly attacked.

I hope you take the substance of this post in the spirit in which it was intended

I agree with you 110%. We have our share of overzealous fans who are in your face (about the whole incident) at any mention of Penn St. I wish they would shut up. However, there is part of Penn State's fan base who actually think Penn State is the victim. I worked with one, was shocked what came out of her mouth. A guy from my hometown was a star of the game in a big bowl victory of yours, Sandusky was his coach. He's on board with the rest of us level headed fans. Small % ruin the party

 

[KeithK7624]

Well, with that attitude, and another unfair, unproven allegation against a dead man, there will certainly be less and less people like me. And there might be one less before next season. No offense, but from what Ive seen this year at RU home games, you need as many fans as you can get - are you sure you want to alienate what could be hundreds of them? Think about it.

I honestly don't even want someone who idolizes a man that turned a blind eye to child rape to be associated with me. So please stop supporting Rutgers. Joe pa knew

 

[yesrutgers01]

I agree with you 110%. We have our share of overzealous fans who are in your face (about the whole incident) at any mention of Penn St. I wish they would shut up. However, there is part of Penn State's fan base who actually think Penn State is the victim. I worked with one, was shocked what came out of her mouth. A guy from my hometown was a star of the game in a big bowl victory of yours, Sandusky was his coach. He's on board with the rest of us level headed fans. Small % ruin the party

Are you 110% agreeing with OP that Joe was railroaded?

 

[RUBand]

It's not people defending what Sandusky did, it is those fans that say he is innocent

Big difference.

Bingo.

 

[RUBand]

Are you 110% agreeing with OP that Joe was railroaded?

No, not at all. I didn't read his entire post. Please correct me if I'm wrong in saying I remember listening to Francessa say JP was told what was seen, an incident, and waited to report it. Sat on it. I honestly think the AD and President covered it up as much as possible, and joe knew something happened that was bad.

 

[RUBand]

Sir, I certainly hope that you, at least as far as the content of your post, do not represent the level of class and quality of Rutgers University.

Well put, thank you

 

[Scarletwoman]

I can see that this discussion is pointless - sorry I wasted your time. RU has just lost one fan/$$supporter, and probably has lost many more. It's a shame.

Bye bye.