Yeah I think so too. It may not directly be about the scoring margin over 10 points but running up a score at the end of a game by making a bunch of meaningless shots can prop up efficiency numbers.
OFFICIAL NET Thread - 2022/23
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But if two teams each score 60 points, and one did it in 60 possessions by slowing the game down and running clock and another did it in 80 possessions pushing the pace with a ton of misses.... who has the higher quality offense? If it came down to 1 possession, which team would be more likely to score? Similarly, one holds their opponent to 50 on 60 possessions and the other holds them to 50 points over 80 possessions, which team had a more stifling defense? If it came down to 1 possession, which would be more likely to get a stop?
There are 350+ teams - there need to be more factors considered than just wins and losses to differentiate.
Last year Loyola Chicago moved up 8 places (37 to 29) in one night for beating Evansville by 51. On the same night, Michigan beat us by 10 and stayed at a low 30-something NET (they moved up 1 but then Loyola jumped then and they were back to where they started the night).
From that perspective the NET is seriously flawed, but maybe it will actually help us this year.
It's also MUCH easier to jump places when you are farther down the rankings, because there's much more room to move upward and the teams in your general range are all separated by a hair's width.
Just like in school, it's easier to improve your grade from a 60 to a 70 than it is to improve from an 85 to a 95.
UMASS Lowell another 20 point road win over a bad LIU team but still a 20 point road win. They were favored by 15 and by 8.5 in the first half. Up at half by 14 and by the end by 20. Had both bets so another good night all around.
Right, they aren’t directly using Kenpom but they are using adjusted efficiency which is essentially the same thing Kenpom is doing. Kenpom may have some “secret sauce” type stuff that wouldn’t be in the NET and they don’t use any preseason ratings at any point.
Yes, using Kenpom as a proxy the gap between #1 and #25 is the same as the gap between #25 and #85, which is the same as the gap between #85 and #176.
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Moved up to 29 since yesterday. 2 in front much nicer than the 3.
We climbed to #29 overnight and Ohio State is sitting at #28. Big opportunity this week, if we can grab it.
I hope they win their conference so I can pick them as an upset in my bracket. They were a legit good team. If we didn't show up that day, we could have taken an L
The UMass game will be huge in shaping their NET for the season. Hopefully they will be competitive. A win would be awesome. Outside of Rhode Island (and they aren’t even good this year) - they don’t play anyone else decent. Their conference is really weak.
It also doesn’t hurt that UMASS Lowell is 9-1 with most of their games not very close.
They have a chance because their conference is not great this year and they are winning on the road by 10 -20 points per game. Their defense travels and although I thought they had a number of offensive players and looked decent on offense , they are sitting at 164 on Kenpom’s offensive efficiency with a 102 .4 and for comparison we are 102 with a 105.7 offensive efficiency number. I thought theirs would be higher.
UMASS is 80 in Net and they are 53 and on the road. They have played really well on the road. Think game goes to the wire. Doubt their NET will change much in a negative way.
No - I disagree. This time isn’t like Colgate with a top 10 NET and no good wins during the COVID year because of weird formula anomalies. If Sam Houston keeps winning they will maintain their spot and be like Butler was the year it won the pre-season NIT as the Horizon league darling. When you beat a multiple major conference teams and don’t lose to cupcakes as a mid major you earn respect. If they start losing to bad team their NET will drop.
Moved up another spot to #28. OSU up to #25
This reminds me of years past refreshing the real time RPI after an early season win over Farleigh Dickenson to see if we made top 100. More fun now
This reminds me of years past refreshing the real time RPI after an early season win over Farleigh Dickenson to see if we made top 100. More fun now
I think a one giant running NET thread is good instead of seperate ones
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If @fatsam98 can edit the thread totle to call it the official NET or daily updated net thread that would be great
Under the radar game Sunday that could be landmine preventative - Minny vs Miss State. If Minny wins that one they’ll get a huge bump in NET. We play them twice and I’d prefer for neither to be Q4. Who needs that pressure. Will be Miss State’s first true road game.
Up to 25
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3 spot jump for doing nothing! Seems like we won't have to worry about NET like we did last year as long as they take care of business when they're supposed to.
Do we know that efficiency numbers are assessed as the total for a game and not on a per possession basis? I'd assume, just because that obviously makes more sense, that it's on a per possession basis.
25 with two losses. Awesome. Schedule crybabies looking sillyUp to 25
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I find it amusing that we switched places with Ohio State, who went from 25 to 28 in this update.
No idea, but likely I'd think it's likely per possession. Still, beating up on cupcakes helps the per possession numbers, too, especially this early in the season.
If it's per possession, than the style of play won't matter. Both teams get roughly the same number of possessions. O and D efficiency would be based on TOs and points per possession.
Beating up on cupcakes would matter. But does the score take the level of competition into account? If you beat up on a cupcake slightly less than another team beat them up, then they would score you worse. Or is it raw numbers that would advantage eating lots of cookies?
Some tremendous changes with 1 game . Michigan State up from 94-72 for beating Penn State which drops from 51 to 76. That win helps Northwestern who just beat Mich State and moved them from 77 to 69 without playing. Other Power 6 movers St, John’s from 73-60 ; Oregon from 93-84 and Washington State from 79-64. Power 6 losers of their game last night drops Texas Tech from 62-75; Florida from 65-79. Interesting Miami dropped from 49-52 winning the shootout with CORNELL 107-105 , while Cornell went from 128 to 105. Missouri is 9-0 and just dropped from 35-39.
The outliers from the non Power 6 ; FAU which hammered FGCU went from 21-11. FGCU went from 74-97. Indiana State who beat Southern Illinois on the road went from 96-74 and SI went from 81-96. VCU lost another game and went from 117-144 so that Temple win does not look as great but Temple hardly moved with their 10 point win over St. Joes and despite VCU’s loss. There were other big movers in the smaller conferences but the biggest move was Utah Valley who is only 4-4 but went from 194 to 138, 56 point jump. Wow! Also Jacksonville who beat VCU on the road by 11 went up from 97 to 65 another huge 32 spot jump.
The outliers from the non Power 6 ; FAU which hammered FGCU went from 21-11. FGCU went from 74-97. Indiana State who beat Southern Illinois on the road went from 96-74 and SI went from 81-96. VCU lost another game and went from 117-144 so that Temple win does not look as great but Temple hardly moved with their 10 point win over St. Joes and despite VCU’s loss. There were other big movers in the smaller conferences but the biggest move was Utah Valley who is only 4-4 but went from 194 to 138, 56 point jump. Wow! Also Jacksonville who beat VCU on the road by 11 went up from 97 to 65 another huge 32 spot jump.
I am a little surprise that they publish the NET rankings this early. Every game seems to cause a huge amount of movement. Really adds to the criticism of the validity of the ranking itself. I would think keeping it unpublished until Jan 1 would make more sense.
NET holds at 25
Ohio state 26
Iowa jumps to 24 with their win over Iowa State
UMass Lowell at 37
I think Rutgers would have placed in top 20 with a win
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Ohio state 26
Iowa jumps to 24 with their win over Iowa State
UMass Lowell at 37
I think Rutgers would have placed in top 20 with a win
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Posted this in the wrong thread.
RU is now #24
Results:
Q1 (1-30 Home, 1-50 Neutral, 1-75 Away)
8 - Indiana (W)
26 - @Ohio St (L*)
54 - @Miami (L)
Q2 (31-75 Home 51-100 Neutral, 76-135 Away)
37 - UMass-Lowell (W)
Q3 (76-160 Home, 101-200 Neutral, 136-240 Away)
157 - Temple (L)
Q4 (161+ Home, 201+Neutral, 141+ Away)
197 - Rider (W)
281 - Sacred Heart (W)
336 - Central CT St (W)
345 - Columbia (W)
Upcoming
Q1 (1-30 Home, 1-50 Neutral, 1-75 Away)
3 - @Purdue
8 - @Indiana
10 - @Illinois
15 - Maryland
23 - Iowa
23 - @Iowa
26 - Ohio St
61 - @Wisconsin
70 - @Northwestern
72 - @MSU
Q2 (31-75 Home 51-100 Neutral, 76-135 Away)
66 - Nebraska
70 - Northwestern
72 - (N)MSU
79 - @Penn St
Q3 (76-160 Home, 101-200 Neutral, 136-240 Away)
79 - Penn St
81 - Wake Forest
90 - Michigan
114 - Seton Hall
Q4 (161+ Home, 201+Neutral, 241+ Away)
195 - Bucknell
219 - Coppin St
246 - Minnesota
246 - @Minnesota
Notes
- Only 3 remaining teams are ranked lower than SHU right now
- Minnesota is ranked lower than both Bucknell and Coppin St
- Penn St is on the cusp of being a Home Q2 and Away Q1
RU is now #24
Results:
Q1 (1-30 Home, 1-50 Neutral, 1-75 Away)
8 - Indiana (W)
26 - @Ohio St (L*)
54 - @Miami (L)
Q2 (31-75 Home 51-100 Neutral, 76-135 Away)
37 - UMass-Lowell (W)
Q3 (76-160 Home, 101-200 Neutral, 136-240 Away)
157 - Temple (L)
Q4 (161+ Home, 201+Neutral, 141+ Away)
197 - Rider (W)
281 - Sacred Heart (W)
336 - Central CT St (W)
345 - Columbia (W)
Upcoming
Q1 (1-30 Home, 1-50 Neutral, 1-75 Away)
3 - @Purdue
8 - @Indiana
10 - @Illinois
15 - Maryland
23 - Iowa
23 - @Iowa
26 - Ohio St
61 - @Wisconsin
70 - @Northwestern
72 - @MSU
Q2 (31-75 Home 51-100 Neutral, 76-135 Away)
66 - Nebraska
70 - Northwestern
72 - (N)MSU
79 - @Penn St
Q3 (76-160 Home, 101-200 Neutral, 136-240 Away)
79 - Penn St
81 - Wake Forest
90 - Michigan
114 - Seton Hall
Q4 (161+ Home, 201+Neutral, 241+ Away)
195 - Bucknell
219 - Coppin St
246 - Minnesota
246 - @Minnesota
Notes
- Only 3 remaining teams are ranked lower than SHU right now
- Minnesota is ranked lower than both Bucknell and Coppin St
- Penn St is on the cusp of being a Home Q2 and Away Q1
If we sweep the teams that are currently Q3/Q4, that's 14 wins (but only 5 conference wins), then we need to find 6 more in Q1/Q2
