Some people think we shouldn't boo kids who are making $500k
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anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy
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Schools arent paying them haha. Rich boosters are who are playing real life fantasy sports
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This is the part that cracks me up. The players thinking they cant be criticized.
I understand. Boosters are paying on behalf of schools. It’s the greater school community, but said school for brevity’s sake.
This NIL stuff is bad for college sports, if they let this continue uncontrolled
Some schools will not care if they have deep pockets
It can ruin otherwise decent programs at the same time
i mean, we kinda are seeing what these players "deserve" on the market though right. at least how much big money boosters think they deserve for the value they give to the teams they're bankrolling.
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In a way, sure. But their value is just simply their ability to put a ball in the hoop. Not their “name, image and likeness” which is worthless
Was and will be. Dickinson is 100000% leaving over NIL. Not because he wanted greener pastures but UM did not pay over 50% what he was promised after missing the tournament. He asked multiple times but the boosters refused. So he said forget it I am leaving. Contract negotiations at its finest being done on the NCCA level.
Either UM fears losing him and pays him what he was owed plus a bonus for screwing with him or he gets his money elsewhere.
Just like boosters paying for head coaches.
It's very weird how just because you donate money you deserve a say in who the HC could be. WTF do you know about hiring a HC just because you made some money?
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Tbh I think most hardcore fans who are knowledge with football are in better position to pick a head coach than hobbs.
hobbs knows basically nothing about football and same goes for those search firms they pay 6-figures.
If you asked hobbs to even tell you the difference between a nose vs a 3 tech hed think you were talking about medical terms.
I’m not buying it
If a college player is getting $3-5 million like Hunter Dickinson ….that’s middle of the first round in the nba money ….???
And samuels is getting $500,000??? That’s two way contrast money that means you are essentially on a NBA team (like Ron is ) and he isn’t a two way level player right now
Can’t see colleges overpaying for players mkre the nba values them ….
I know this is crazy times , but I don’t think there is that much throw arojbd money for that many players
Can many power six teams have a “$1 -$2 million payroll “ for 12 basketball players …I can see that (and that’s $75000-$150000 per player…)
But, beyond the short term the outliers are not much more than that …there isn’t that much money floating Arojnd long term for mens basketball …when there is football still out of it there
If a college player is getting $3-5 million like Hunter Dickinson ….that’s middle of the first round in the nba money ….???
And samuels is getting $500,000??? That’s two way contrast money that means you are essentially on a NBA team (like Ron is ) and he isn’t a two way level player right now
Can’t see colleges overpaying for players mkre the nba values them ….
I know this is crazy times , but I don’t think there is that much throw arojbd money for that many players
Can many power six teams have a “$1 -$2 million payroll “ for 12 basketball players …I can see that (and that’s $75000-$150000 per player…)
But, beyond the short term the outliers are not much more than that …there isn’t that much money floating Arojnd long term for mens basketball …when there is football still out of it there
I wonder what % of NIL - pay for play is from collectives vs individual donors like the Miami guy, or in the case of Hunter I’m guessing the UA guy…? Would getting rid of collectives actually help us…not sure.
Decent player but 500k for that dude is completely ridiculous.
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You gotta realize 3 things.
1) the schools arent paying the players, rabid boosters are
2) these rabid boosters have like $10,000,000+ in cashflow a year coming in. Throwing $2.5mm/yr to play fantasy sports gm is fun for them.
3) its gonna get even worse, not better
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Also, you can't compare to the NBA $$.
Hunter's value to NBA teams is about $50.
But to a college program? Much more.
Anybody who can make $5m or be a 1st round pick is leaving for the NBA.
It's the sweet spot of "elite college player" and "little to no NBA interest".
I think the numbers in this thread are very inflated. I’m confident in saying that Jahmir Young got somewhere in the 500-650k range from MD, and Dickinson is going to get maybe $1-1.2m (not from MD), nowhere near 3m.
That said I think it’s possible Samuels gets a few hundred thousand to go start at a high major school.
That said I think it’s possible Samuels gets a few hundred thousand to go start at a high major school.
There have been a number of posters who warned that NIL which was seen as a fair reward to athletes whose name , image and likeness were being used but it would eventually cause a much bigger issue. The machine known as the NCAA had enough ample time to help set up a system with the colleges and athletes which would be a benefit . It is quickly getting out of hand. The scary part is how much can the programs in the 2nd levels absorb before saying we are done. In a short few years there will be the elite haves, the lesser have nots and lastly the ladies of the poor.
Add traded as well and yes 100% I believe they should if they want to pretend to be pros now.
The NCAA is the collection of college presidents. Why would the big boy schools want to end NIL ? It’s to their benefit.
Somebody is willing to pay 75k for a guy who barely got off the bench at Rutgers?
Lots of stupid money in this NIL game I guess.
Apparently the Samuel number is nowhere near 500k and the Carino speculation or number he was told was incorrect.
Listen - I hate this whole NIL. It really is a stain on college sports IMHO. But I think that’s because I’m “old school” - I liked the illusion of amateurism.
Thing is I think you’re even more “old school” . Just out of touch with the reality of what people expect these days. There are billions of dollars in college sports - and to expect that the athletes (ie , the TALENT) would continue to be left out entirely from the $$ was just not gonna be sustainable. The ncaa needed to deal with that - come up with some fair system for the athletes to get some share - but they didn’t move.
Thus this NIL craziness resulted
It’s to the benefit of the Miami’s and SMUs who have boosters with unlimited resources. Eventually, it’s going to paralyze the real blue bloods whose own boosters never had to shell out money to compete. That’s when we’ll see change.
The basketball blue bloods will strike first. Duke, UK, etc. Do you think they like this system? They got the best recruits without NIL. Now they have to pay to compete and pretty much any team can come up with the funds to buy a few big stars. The right coach can coach up a team with that and a bunch of role players in basketball.
Slowly but surely the impact will catch up with football too. It’s not as easy and you won’t have nearly as much parity there. But there are enough SMU types out there that will be able to buy full rosters and compete with the best. Suddenly your top 25 list will be flooded with names like that. Having money and having a legit following are too different things. Too many elite teams that lack the latter category will really hurt the sport. The last thing Alabama wants would be to have to pay millions to keep up with SMU and company.
My old business used to employ many Rutgers basketball players during the summer up to the early 90's. I was close with many of these kids, and I can tell you if they were getting anything under the table, it wasn't much. They did legitimate warehouse work for us, and got paid the same as anyone else. We were told by the coaches not to even buy them pizza for lunch unless everyone else got it also. Of course we heard stories of what was going on at UNLV and a few other places, but it wasn't happening here. Anything after about 1992, I can't vouch for, but before then Rutgers was clean from what the players told me.
The “Blue Bloods” have been paying for decades. Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, Louisville, UNC, UCLA, UCONN, insert other team name here.
I would love true Amateur sports but they have not existed in the last 50 years.
The only way you you get this under control is go to true Power 5 who are allotted revenue from the TV and NCAA to each school. Each school is allowed to allocate a % for P4P. Eliminate outside money and actually enforce the rules not turn blind eye.
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It was never even remotely close to this level, not remotely. Naz reid a 5* got $150K to LSU. How do I know? I know the guy who brokered the deal. Same guy who brokered jq’s deal to u of a
Maybe under the table for a few top players but nowhere close to this extent. It was also point blank illegal and participating posed a major risk of getting caught and made an example. Go too big and you got caught - especially the SMU types without national appeal.
Yes all under the table and yes as much and in some cases more then they are today: The only reason NIL came to the forefront was because of the FBI and government investigation into college athletics .
The NCAA, schools, and coaches knew what that investigation would reveal so to protect themselves and keep everyone’s childhood utopian beilef alive they instituted NIL.
Coach K, Wooden, Calpari, Boeheim, Dean Smith, Tark, Pitino, etc All guilty. Listen to Barkley, Shaq, Jordan. Etc. talk about college.
Why and How do you think AAU become the standard of hoops prior to college? It’s not high school basketball it’s AAU. You can actually pay kids and families on the AAU circuit. University and college coaches put emphasis on this because they could funnel money to kids in return for college commitments .
Jay Williams has admitted on the record they gave Kevin Love $250k. That’s 20 years ago to a very good not great college player.
Lastly even our beloved RU has been paying for years. Just not to the extent we are willing to pay today now that it’s legal.
Who's money exactly will you be "spreading around"?
Asking for a friend
I'm not well connected like that but there were plenty of stories even back in the early days of the internet about how Universities paid for recruits and their families from down payments on mortgages for houses to better neighborhoods, to under the table no show jobs through boosters or alumni businesses, to merch like cars and such. Nothing close to what it is today, but NBA players weren't making the money they were back then either. Patrick Ewing's first contract when he was drafted was 10 years $32 million, now there are dozens who make $32 million or more a year, with time the price will always go up and match the NBA increases on a smaller scale.
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Were just talking a few years ago when naz reid went to lsu. “NIL” has made it out of control
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