rufeelinit said:

Pretty bleak picture that no one seems too concerned about. None of these entities know how to manage a check book.

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Including the Star Ledger

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RUPete said:

I have to be honest - I see all these guys taking analyst positions in college and the pros as a bridge to something else. What do they do in these positions? Do they just look at film, identify tendencies and convey probabilities of play calls for game prep?

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I could be wrong, but I think the analysts are coaching. They can’t do recruiting but can do everything else.

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Pretty bleak picture that no one seems too concerned about. None of these entities know how to manage a check book.

And you wonder why RU Athletics operating loss increases every year? Spending is out of control across the conference.

Tesla is down 33% from recent high. People must not understand it’s not a car company but an AI buying company

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The Athletic had an article on B10 athletic department financials excluding USC and NW. That’s probably why it’s come up.

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It’s paywall but some excerpts:

Of those athletic departments, half finished the 2024 fiscal year with a deficit, and four of those eight were at least $15 million in the hole. Most of the shortfalls were covered by department reserves, university loans or institutional support. Private universities Northwestern and USC aren’t required by law to release their documents and do not.

Of the 13 public universities collecting Big Ten funding during fiscal 2024, 11 secured around $50.8 million as part of the league’s media contract plus $11 million or so for other disbursals, including bowl revenue. Maryland and Rutgers received lower amounts as part of their payback process after borrowing during their six years of non-vested membership.

With five Big Ten road trips and a nonconference game at Notre Dame, Ohio State played only six home football games in 2023, down from eight during the 2022 season. That led to a $14.5 million drop in overall ticket sales from 2022. Ohio State also paid $9.2 million in severance and other benefits to former coaches and administrators. The department covered the shortfall with reserves. With an expected jump of about $15 million more from the Big Ten’s coffers — budgets call for $75 million for each vested member in the current fiscal year — and eight home games in 2024-25, Ohio State’s deficit is a one-time situation.

Four programs, however, extended a concerning five-year financial trend. UCLA, which joined the Big Ten this year, spent nearly $51.9 million more than it made. Over the past five fiscal years, the department’s losses now total $200.61 million. Rutgers and Maryland continue to struggle financially while they reimburse the Big Ten for money borrowed between 2014 and 2020. Rutgers reported a $41.5 million loss, which leaves its department more than $139 million in the red over the past five years. The deficit has grown each year.

Maryland’s financial track has improved despite a nearly $5 million deficit reported for 2023-24. The Terrapins borrowed more than $125 million from the Big Ten against future earnings in the six years before they became fully vested. Then the COVID-19 pandemic wreaked financial havoc on their first year as a full member. Maryland is on track to receive full Big Ten payments in 2027 but has accumulated $32.7 million in losses over the past five years.

Michigan State’s financial portfolio has fluctuated over the last half-decade, during which time the athletic department’s shortfall totaled $44.8 million.

but a 38 percent surge in administration and support staff salaries in the last two years ($22.93 million in 2022, $31.62 million in 2024) has contributed to the financial plummet.

The eight public schools that generated a surplus in 2024 averaged $3.72 million in revenues over expenses. Nebraska, long the Big Ten’s model for fiscal responsibility, led with a $6.7 million surplus.

Twelve athletic departments have total debt exceeding $90 million, and six are north of $225 million, led by Illinois ($312.5 million) and Ohio State ($286.7 million). Michigan ($252.8 million), Penn State ($246.9 million), Washington ($244.4 million) and Iowa ($227.8 million) are next in line.

Many — but not all — of the Big Ten’s athletic departments are considered self-supporting, meaning they receive no direct university funds. UCLA claims no athletic debt, and Maryland lists $8 million, so their universities scrub away their financial shortfalls. UCLA received $30 million in direct institutional support and another $1.5 million in student fees. Maryland picked up nearly $12 million in student fees and $6.1 million in direct support. Rutgers, which charts its athletic debt at $51.4 million, received more than $21 million in student fees and direct institutional support.

Five departments — Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska and Purdue — obtained no financial support through fees or direct university support. Wisconsin, Iowa and Oregon collected small amounts for shared facilities, utility usage or other purposes. Indiana accepted a $26 million loan to cover football costs following coach Tom Allen’s dismissal. Illinois, Minnesota, Michigan State and Washington received fees or direct support totaling between $4 million and $11 million each.

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west2east said:

Hearing some rumblings about Pinto heading to Rutgers for next year . He was obviously teammates with Labriola and they're good friends. Not sure if he stays at 174 or heads back to 184. Regardless that would be a good pick up.

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That would be awesome. Kid is like a firecracker out there.

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One of the best NWS discussions (from the NYC office) I've read in awhile, as I thought they did a great job of explaining their rationale for rejecting the HRRR (better than I did, which is not a surprise) and for why they think the storm will overperform a bit: good jet streak, strong lift and frontogenesis with good snow growth in the DGZ, which should deliver 12-13:1 ratio snow (and some other things too). We'll see soon, as the NWS is generally predicting a bit more than most of the models, except the NAM.

Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service New York NY
359 PM EST Tue Feb 11 2025

NEAR TERM /UNTIL 6 AM WEDNESDAY MORNING/...

Low pressure beginning to develop over the southeast this
afternoon and will push ENE off the southern Middle Atlantic
this evening into tonight. The region will continue to lie on
the northern periphery of the precip shield. The latest model
trends all support a bump up in liquid equivalent with around a
few hundredths well inland, around a tenth southern portions of
the Lower Hudson Valley and coastal CT, 0.15-0.20" in the NYC
metro, and around 0.25" across Long Island. The NAM still
appears to be the wettest of the guidance across the area,
especially across the southern half with as much as 0.3" in NYC
and near 0.4" across eastern Long Island. The 18z NAM has
lowered QPF just slightly, but overall remains consistent with
its last several cycles. Most of the 12z CAMs have come into
better agreement with the rest of the model consensus. The HRRR
is one of the drier models, but have noted it be to dry at times
in previous events when the region is on the northern
periphery.

There are also several key ingredients that support the trend
upward in liquid equivalent and resulting snow accumulation
including a stronger 700mb frontogenesis signal combining with
strong upper divergence from a 170-190 kt departing polar jet
streak to our north. Models do tend to struggle with the
combination of these features and have seen several past events
over perform with lift accompanying a strong upper jet. The
other factor is the majority of the model suite is indicating
enhancement of the precip shield from Southern NJ up into the
area at least the southeast portion of the area tonight as the
coastal low emerges off the coast. Thermal profiles are also
supporting an all snow event. Soundings indicate deep ice
saturation within the dendritic growth zone for several hours
tonight, especially across Long Island and portions of the NYC
metro. The strongest lift appears to occur between 10pm and 2am
with a decrease the rest of the night.

The snow will begin to overspread from the south tonight between
7-9pm, becoming steady and continuing through the early morning
hours. There is a period between about 10pm and 2am where
snowfall rates could run between 0.25-0.50" per hour. There is
even a low probability snowfall rates could briefly approach 1"
per hour across Long Island from around 11pm-1am as the
strongest forcing and deepest moisture combine. Snowfall rates
will drop off from west to east from 3am to 5am. Some flurries
may linger towards day break, but accumulating snow should end
before sunrise.

Snow to liquid ratios look higher with this event given we are
on the northern periphery of the low and soundings show more of
an ice saturation signal over one with deeper supercooled water
saturation signal. For these reasons have gone closer to a
12-13:1 ratio.

Updated snow totals are around 3 inches with potential of a few
spots approaching 4 inches across Long Island. Elsewhere across
the NYC metro and much of NE NJ and coastal CT, generally 1-2
inches are forecast. Locations closer to the south shore in
Staten Island and southern Brooklyn and southern Queens could
see up to 3 inches. More locations could see closer to 3 inches
in the NYC metro and NE NJ if a wetter and further north trend
continues. Amounts across the interior will be lower and
generally less than an inch as this area is closer to subsidence
from the high building in from the north.

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goru7 said:

Definitely will have 7-11 SEC teams in the tourney. Will there be 6-12 teams ? The fact that the polls , the NET , Kenpom , etc have the SEC with 3/4 of the top 5 teams is something that hasn’t ever happened even with the great ACC back in the 90’s and early 2000’s. There might be 10 SEC teams with top 4 seeds which would be unprecedented. That is why 12,13 or 14 teams getting in is not out of the question. The committee will justify a 13/14 loss team saying it played in the SEC.

Interesting but Rutgers being in any discussion has to be because of the # of Quad 1,games we have played. Second , in the entire country to Auburn . 4-10 is not good and would look a hell of a lot better with Alabama and Texas A& M wins , and both games were right there for the taking.

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We’re not in any conversation. BAC said he just put us on there at the bottom for perspective. Aside from being 12-12, the 4 Q1 wins we have aren’t even that great from a resume perspective. NW is not making the tournament. Nebraska is a bubble team. Really - we have a pair of nice home wins over solid, but far from elite, tournament teams. That’s not getting you into the field. Honestly - if we played a second crossover game against NW instead of Purdue we’d arguably have -0- At Large chance even with winning out.

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Minor NWS-Philly update, although to be honest I can't see any differences in the new map vs the one from early today. The updated discussion finally said "2-4 inches for CNJ" (which they've been showing, but not saying) - obviously, per the maps, SE sections of CNJ are more likely to get 3-4" and NW sections are more likely to get 2-3", as per the swaths on the map. One thing I don't know but would like to is what snow/liquid ratios are they assuming? They use their own in-house tools for that as per previous conversations I've had with NWS mets (not Kuchera, which most mets don't take seriously), but they don't publish their estimates per location.

However, the NWS-NYC just updated and their snowfall map for their area, especially for LI, has been bumped up appreciably, as they now have advisories up for Nassau/Suffolk for ~3" of snow - that might bode well for increased NJ shore snowfall as they often are somewhat aligned. They also bumped up all of NYC to 2-3" of snow (was just the southern half of NYC at that level this morning.

Almost forgot - prediction time., I'll go with 2.8" for our house, as I think the storm will overperform a bit vs. the 2.4" forecast for Metuchen, due to good snow/liquid ratios and the jet streak dynamics the NWS has discussed, along with decent frontogenetics as per several models and almost all of the models increasing snowfall (a little bit) at 12Z (except the HRRR which is a major outlier and is obviously being ignored by the NWS and others). Would be a bit disappointed with <2".

Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Mount Holly NJ
1259 PM EST Tue Feb 11 2025

NEAR TERM /THROUGH TONIGHT/...
Overall, the near term forecast remains on track as low
pressure continues tracking east into the Deep South this
afternoon. As it does so, this low will transfer its energy to a
secondary low will form off the coast of North Carolina early
this evening. This secondary low will track off the coast of the
DelMarVa later on tonight. Overruning precipitation has begun to
develop out ahead of the low and move northward into DelMarVa.
Temperatures are now above freezing for most locations early
this afternoon. However, with dew points still in the teens,
wet-bulb temps remain at or below freezing across most of the
region. Therefore, as precipitation saturates the boundary
layer, surface temperatures will cool and snow is still
expected at the onset this afternoon. Light to moderate snow
will gradually progress northward through the the rest of the
afternoon and into the evening from southwest to northeast,
ultimately reaching the northern portions of the area by mid to
late evening. Periods of heavy snow will be possible over the
DelMarVa and portions of southern New Jersey this evening into
tonight as well. This is supported quite well in some of the hi-
res guidance which depicts a strong area of frontogenesis near
850 mb early this evening. This may pose a threat to some areas
across the central DelMarVa where some mixing issues may occur
later tonight. With this being said however, there likely will
be a localized snow band that develops with enhanced snowfall
rates. Where this occurs is still uncertain as we`ll likely need
to observe this in real time. However, the greatest likelihood
will be somewhere over the north-central Delmarva into south
Jersey.

Winter Storm Warnings remain in effect through 7 AM Wednesday
where 4-7 inches are expected. Again, there will likely be a
localized maxima which receives greater than 7 inches, depending
on and if the heavier snow band develops. Snowfall totals
decrease further north with 2-4 inches expected over much of
northern DE, southeast PA, and central NJ. Winter Weather
Advisories remain in effect until 7 AM Wednesday for these
areas. Across northeast PA and into northern NJ, snowfall totals
up to 2 inches are expected.

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Another minor update by the NWS-Philly, where they decreased snowfall a little bit NW of 95 in CNJ/NNJ but did increase snowfall for the NJ coast and a bit inland from the coast in SNJ. Not big changes, but every little bit counts (they didn't change my 2.4" forecast though). Also included a few other local forecasts just as an fyi. News12 is the least bullish, with a 1" line south of 78 (vs. near or north of 80 for the others) maybe because they were way too high on Saturday. Channel 7 hasn't deviated their forecast at all really in 2 days and theirs is pretty close to the NWS (apart from their 3" line being 10-15 miles further SE), while Channel 2 is very close to the NWS. It's radar and nowcasting time. Snow is falling in Philly, Glassboro and Seaside, so it's not that far away and they're getting hammered in DC/Balt and VA/MD/DE/Cape May

wngarbarini said:

I think they split last year

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Bill: If I remember correctly, Peterson and Brown split the year before at 125.

I have to be honest - I see all these guys taking analyst positions in college and the pros as a bridge to something else. What do they do in these positions? Do they just look at film, identify tendencies and convey probabilities of play calls for game prep?

Really, really good, complete basketball player. Always played within himself...maybe too much so at times. Very sad to hear. RIP Kevin.

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DHajekRC84 said:

Thanks s kinda a tough statement when we've never been invited to Charlotte, Tennessee, or recently to. a legit Fla. Bowl. The last one was last minute for a 5-7;team. The Tampa Bowl very well attended as was Toronto.

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I don't think that is true anyway