Agree - so what does that say about SG? If they brought in a BIG name like JB or Damion Hahn our program would change overnight. So much talent in the area it’s impossible for coaches like that not to succeed.
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Look at the staffs of these teams. National champions, world medalist.....Rutgers has to spend money to out an elite staff together wear they can compete for the top 30 kids in the country year in and out.
I get your point and I agree with it but this a weak example. Alvarez would still be at Rutgers if he wanted to be. He chose to leave because he couldn’t handle being here and ended up at rider because he couldn’t handle OK St.
I wouldn’t trade Rutgers position for Rider’s. I don’t think anyone would.
Wng u gotta stop using this as the excuse as why the program stalled/cant succeed… we probably have more resources then the other mid tier programs yet they r outperforming us…
0 AA in the last 2/3 years.. let that sink in and tell us that the program has been going in the right direction w a straight face….. SCNJ?
Look at the list of schools with AAs and you quickly realize it’s not NIL. And from what I’ve heard PSU, Cornell, and other top 15 are basically paying nothing. On the other hand you have Iowa, VT, UM, and some others willing to spend big.
Why couldn’t Alvarez handle being here?? I don’t think it’s a good look either when one of the team leader just suddenly retires before nationals..could that have indirectly affected team morale…
100%. The point is that it’s incredibly weak to continue to point to what we don’t have (i.e NIL) as an excuse when plenty of programs with considerably less resources outperform our program at the national tournament in terms of AAs. No one is asking for Iowa or Michigan level of performance by why can’t have as many or more AAs than Rider, South Dakota State, Maryland, Northern Colorado, Northern Iowa, Cal Poly, Indiana, Little Rock, Utah Valley, etc.
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Come on SCNJ. You are whistling past the graveyard. The point wasn't about Alvarez and/or Rider specifically. There are plenty of other schools this year with an AA that have far less resources than Rutgers. How about Northern Colorado for example? Utah Valley? Penn?
Eh, Nothing would change. NJ likes to eat their own and use people, and they'd find other excuses to go elsewhere. Pollard trained Jayden James for probably 6 years, yet he went elsewhere. Numerous others too. These people have no loyalty, look for the most $, and what will be acceptable from the rest of the snobs at the next wrestling social. When Jordan Burroughs has to cheat with a fake address for his kid to wrestle in NJ youth states, you know the sport and people are just fukd.
Send a blank check to Hahn. Would even kick the tires on Kolat.
Yeah but I would feel much better about our chances if JB was recruiting Jayden James.
How is Northern Colorado, SD St, N Iowa, Etc’d NIL’s. Lol. They are all finding ways to get AA’s and Semi and finalists.
Sure, but he's apparently a cheater and used a fake address for his kid to wrestle in NJ youth states, only to have parents revolt, so his kid didn't end up wrestling. Honestly, I have no interest in cheaters and lost a ton of respect for him if true.
McEnelly vs Keckeisen has been a world class match and no one has even scored a takedown.
There has to be another side to that story nobody is dumb enough to try to pull that BS especially someone who is a wrestling celebrity and in the spotlight.
Mcenelly was a shoelace away. That kid is an insane athlete
McEnelly is going to be a real problem for the next three years. Not sure anyone is in his league after Keck and Starocci move on. He is a monster. He was was inches away from beating Keck and Starocci this year.
If you think PSU isn't paying guys NIL...
Rumor was Starocci got $1.3M this year.
One way or the other...PSU guys are getting compensation.
RU really needs a more aggressive HC.
There's a gold mine of elite high schoolers in the area.
Gotta get new blood!
I was shocked too, but haven't heard anything to counter it and his kid didn't end up wrestling in NJ states, so it looks true. @rpiseman any more info on this?
Oh Jesus can't wait to watch someone who wrestles from their knees the entire match.
Ferrari had zero offense and IDK how he gets away with that thigh-pry claw nonsense on top although didn’t work with Buchanan
That’s great but they all finished considerably better than RU at the National Tournament which is the pinnacle of the sport. It’s how success is measured in NCAA wrestling since it’s how individual national champs are crowned as well as team trophies… Sure winning dual meets is great and im happy we take them seriously but the way the sport is currently constructed it’s all about March… but unfortunately RU is in 33rd place behind Cal Poly, which I’m sure has a multimillion dollar NIL budget so that’s to be expected.
The point being what Bill? Illinois is 9th, Penn is 16th, and Maryland is t21st currently at Nationals. Rutgers also beat Indiana (t21st) and Wisconsin (31st). Rutgers is currently 33rd and cannot finish any higher. Rutgers last 4 years at Nationals finished 20th, 34th, 20th, and no higher than 33rd this year.
If your goal is to win duals only and not care about Big Tens and Nationals, fine. Is that your goal?
Not good...
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| 1 | Penn State | 135.5 |
| 2 | Nebraska | 101.5 |
| 3 | Oklahoma State | 91.0 |
| 4 | Iowa | 73.5 |
| 5 | Minnesota | 47.0 |
| 6 | Cornell | 46.0 |
| 7 | Northern Iowa | 44.5 |
| 8 | Ohio State | 44.0 |
| 9 | Illinois | 40.5 |
| 10 | Virginia Tech | 40.0 |
| 11 | NC State | 38.0 |
| 12 | Michigan | 31.0 |
| 12 | Purdue | 31.0 |
| 14 | Missouri | 29.0 |
| 15 | Lehigh | 26.0 |
| 16 | Pennsylvania | 23.0 |
| 17 | Little Rock | 21.5 |
| 18 | Navy | 21.0 |
| 18 | Stanford | 21.0 |
| 20 | South Dakota State | 19.0 |
| 21 | Indiana | 18.5 |
| 21 | Maryland | 18.5 |
| 21 | Oregon State | 18.5 |
| 24 | Northern Colorado | 17.5 |
| 24 | Wyoming | 17.5 |
| 26 | Iowa State | 16.0 |
| 26 | North Carolina | 16.0 |
| 26 | Pittsburgh | 16.0 |
| 29 | West Virginia | 15.5 |
| 30 | Arizona State | 14.5 |
| 31 | Wisconsin | 14.0 |
| 32 | Cal Poly | 13.0 |
| 33 | Rutgers | 12.0 |
| 34 | North Dakota State | 11.5 |
| 34 | Northwestern | 11.5 |
| 34 | Utah Valley | 11.5 |
| 37 | Oklahoma | 10.5 |
| 38 | CSU Bakersfield | 9.5 |
| 39 | Rider | 9.0 |
| 40 | Bucknell | 7.5 |
| 40 | Lock Haven | 7.5 |
| 42 | Princeton | 6.5 |
| 43 | Virginia | 6.0 |
| 44 | Hofstra | 5.5 |
| 45 | Binghamton | 5.0 |
| 45 | Central Michigan | 5.0 |
| 47 | Army West Point | 4.5 |
| 48 | Appalachian State | 3.0 |
| 48 | California Baptist | 3.0 |
| 48 | Chattanooga | 3.0 |
| 48 | Columbia | 3.0 |
| 48 | Ohio | 3.0 |
| 48 | The Citadel | 3.0 |
| 54 | George Mason | 2.5 |
| 54 | Harvard | 2.5 |
| 54 | Northern Illinois | 2.5 |
| 57 | Campbell | 2.0 |
| 58 | Edinboro | 0.5 |
| 58 | Michigan State | 0.5 |
| 60 | Bellarmine | 0.0 |
| 60 | Brown | 0.0 |
| 60 | Cleveland State | 0.0 |
| 60 | Drexel | 0.0 |
| 60 | Duke | 0.0 |
| 60 | Gardner-Webb | 0.0 |
| 60 | Morgan State | 0.0 |
Amazing how they did not even exist 6 or 7 years ago and already surpassed us.. wonder how much NIL they are swimming in.
it's good to be supportive but when in danger of falling outside the top 35, fan frustration should be expected. New Jersey is a premiere wrestling state and fans were told the 32nd finish recently was an oddity.
There are legitimate reasons for optimism at a few weights at least. It's not all doom amd gloom but if this was a track meet, Rutgers started strong but limped behind the pack through the finish. Injuries are unfortunate...
Call me crazy, but I thought Rutgers wrestled better than I expected. I know the results aren't there but they showed up with a gear they didn't have at The Big10.
There are legitimate reasons for optimism at a few weights at least. It's not all doom amd gloom but if this was a track meet, Rutgers started strong but limped behind the pack through the finish. Injuries are unfortunate...
Call me crazy, but I thought Rutgers wrestled better than I expected. I know the results aren't there but they showed up with a gear they didn't have at The Big10.
In the immortal words of Bill Parcells “ You are what your record says you are”. Based on that I’m sure that no one connected with Rutgers wrestling is satisfied with the just concluded season.
I was thinking back to the excitement around this program in the Ashnault era. Guys like Theobold and DelVecchio making AA, Suriano in the finals against Spencer Lee, the electricity in the SKWC post nationals social at Jack Doyle’s (that went to closing at 4AM), The atmosphere at EVERY dual in JMA was incredible.
It’s been done before and I certainly hope that it can be done again.
I have been saying so for years Goodale is not the answer to take us to the next level. Resources are simply not the issue for why we should not be a top 15 program year after year. Yes, top 5, maybe even top 10, we do have a resource issue, but that is not the case comparing us to programs such as Lehigh, Penn, Little Rock, Navy, Wyoming, etc., etc., that is all on recruiting and coaching. The kids at that level just aren't impressed with our coaching staff. Give the guy credit for getting us to this point, but it is time to upgrade the coaching staff if we want to the next step and not fall further behind. 0 AAs at a B1G program located in New Jersey is simply not an acceptable outcome for any year, even a down year.
