$2M/year????
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Not sure if Hurley will be the guy or not, but he is negotiating the highest salary he can get. Why is everyone losing their minds.
Why such hate towards him? We reached out to him- why would he not listen?
Why such hate towards him? We reached out to him- why would he not listen?
Don't hate him just don't believe he's worth - AT THIS TIME - $2M/year. Exactly WHAT has he done to EARN that salary (even coming to this dumpster-fire of a program...)?
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Three things here
1.) $2 million here with super high nj taxes and cost of living is the same as the $1.5 Fran McCaf makes at Iowa. We need to pay more to be equal in net dollars
2.) until we have a built practice facility, there is risk that the first half of the new coach tenure is going to be handicapped with what he has to work with. As a result, it will be harder to recruit in years 1 thru 3 which is what he will judged on in years 4 thru 6. More risk needs to be sweetened with higher compensation
3.) the overall history of the program makes the job a career killer. Littlepage, wenzel, bannon, rice never got a coaching job anywhere. FHJ only an assistant. Only Gary got a job as a head coach at a Lowe division one. Got to mitigate the past with a higher offer
The above applies to every solid coach we are looking at. Hurley, longeran, Sendek (if he circles back)
Three things here
1.) $2 million here with super high nj taxes and cost of living is the same as the $1.5 Fran McCaf makes at Iowa. We need to pay more to be equal in net dollars
2.) until we have a built practice facility, there is risk that the first half of the new coach tenure is going to be handicapped with what he has to work with. As a result, it will be harder to recruit in years 1 thru 3 which is what he will judged on in years 4 thru 6. More risk needs to be sweetened with higher compensation
3.) the overall history of the program makes the job a career killer. Littlepage, wenzel, bannon, rice never got a coaching job anywhere. FHJ only an assistant. Only Gary got a job as a head coach at a Lowe division one. Got to mitigate the past with a higher offer
The above applies to every solid coach we are looking at. Hurley, longeran, Sendek (if he circles back)
None of them deserve it. You want the guy? Pay the man. Don't over-analyze it.
Yes, and he won't take $2 mil (or something close to it) to come here. Speaks loudly.
Agree with Bethlehem. And what is this Williams crap? I haven't posted much because this place has become a cesspool. But it seems there are a bunch of football-centric guys on this thread all too willing to continue burying basketball. At this point, I think we should all agree that the bare minimum requirement for the next coach is that he has some coaching experience. Williams, my freaking God!
I can't believe ppl are debating whether a
Hobbs was happy to pay Ash an appropriate salary for a Big Ten coach. No reason to think this hire will be otherwise, and no reason to think small time.
Yeah this is exactly how I feel. If Hobbs can land his #1 guy, whoever that may be, does it really matter at all that we pay him a half million more than some perceived market value? What is that when you look at the whole university budget? Nothing.
Hobbs was happy to pay Ash an appropriate salary for a Big Ten coach. No reason to think this hire will be otherwise, and no reason to think small time.
Don't know if Hurley is worth $2 mil, he hasn't proved he is one of the best or close to it yet.
But RU is either going to overpay him or he'll use RU to get more from RI.
CAn't say if he can use BC as a rival for his affection, but can say that he's willing to stay at RI and see who offers him that needs a replacement.
RU doesn't have much to offer , except salary and promises.
But Danny shouldn't get more than $1.5 mil to start and only 5 years guaranteed in full and anything more than 5 years the extra years should be 30% of the salary owed
But I think program upgrade demands will be the main stumbling-block to get the contract done with Danny or any of the top choices Hobbs is after.
Here a list of salaries I found and the link I found them on
Updated: April 3, 2015
Men's basketball coach salaries, benefits, bonuses paid by university
1. Tom Crean, Indiana - $3,702,559
2. Tom Izzo, Michigan State - $3,530,631
3. Thad Matta, Ohio State - $3,505,565
4. John Beilein, Michigan - $2,873,800
5. Bo Ryan, Wisconsin - $2,552,878
6. Matt Painter, Purdue - $2,458,274
7. Mark Turgeon, Maryland - $2,299,453
8. Tim Miles, Nebraska - $1,887,213
9. John Groce, Illinois - $1,822,604
10. Richard Pitino, Minnesota - $1,605,165
11. Fran McCaffery, Iowa - $1,548,548
12. Eddie Jordan, Rutgers - $1,087,601
13. Bill Carmody, Northwestern (no longer coach) - $1,000,000 (per this report)
14. Pat Chambers, Penn State - $900,000 (per this report)
http://www.chicagofootball.com/2015...artments-rank-in-spending-profit-pay/a2quusm/
But RU is either going to overpay him or he'll use RU to get more from RI.
CAn't say if he can use BC as a rival for his affection, but can say that he's willing to stay at RI and see who offers him that needs a replacement.
RU doesn't have much to offer , except salary and promises.
But Danny shouldn't get more than $1.5 mil to start and only 5 years guaranteed in full and anything more than 5 years the extra years should be 30% of the salary owed
But I think program upgrade demands will be the main stumbling-block to get the contract done with Danny or any of the top choices Hobbs is after.
Here a list of salaries I found and the link I found them on
Updated: April 3, 2015
Men's basketball coach salaries, benefits, bonuses paid by university
1. Tom Crean, Indiana - $3,702,559
2. Tom Izzo, Michigan State - $3,530,631
3. Thad Matta, Ohio State - $3,505,565
4. John Beilein, Michigan - $2,873,800
5. Bo Ryan, Wisconsin - $2,552,878
6. Matt Painter, Purdue - $2,458,274
7. Mark Turgeon, Maryland - $2,299,453
8. Tim Miles, Nebraska - $1,887,213
9. John Groce, Illinois - $1,822,604
10. Richard Pitino, Minnesota - $1,605,165
11. Fran McCaffery, Iowa - $1,548,548
12. Eddie Jordan, Rutgers - $1,087,601
13. Bill Carmody, Northwestern (no longer coach) - $1,000,000 (per this report)
14. Pat Chambers, Penn State - $900,000 (per this report)
http://www.chicagofootball.com/2015...artments-rank-in-spending-profit-pay/a2quusm/
If someone with his record has to have his arm twisted for 6 years at 2 million a year, he is not the right man for the job. He will show up conflicted and he will have trouble succeeding.
I want Hobbs to find the guy who is thrilled to have the job, eager to work 80+ hours a week and has the skills to turn the program around in 3 years.
I want Hobbs to find the guy who is thrilled to have the job, eager to work 80+ hours a week and has the skills to turn the program around in 3 years.
Are you serious? Rutgers is not a job you run to under any circumstances. I'd rather he accept/decline after giving it a night or two. Would you like him to accept it one day and reverse course the next?
If reports are correct ( a big if, of course) this has been more than one night. The next coach has to be all in, like Ash, with 100% of their mental bandwidth and their heart and soul. If they come wondering if they made the right choice, it is like having one foot in the boat and one foot out, the boat is going to tip over.
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its only been 48 hours since the interview. If twitter didnt exist we all never would have panicked about anything because information would be released much slower
Just a quibble here, because I agree with the whole post, but this isn't a 'risk', this is a guaranteed handicap. If we put shovels in the ground this year he's still behind the 8 ball until it gets done. The first couple of years the facilities will still be worst in the country. The next few they may step all the way up to very, very bad.
I don't know about you, but I'm in a constant state of low level panic when it comes to RU sports, and I have been since well before Twitter existed.
there is always something lurking right around the corner with this school....it keeps the boards active at least
Danny Hurley isn't worth anywhere near $2M/yr. That's absurd if accurate. In 6 years he's never taken a team to the tourney. His brother got $1.2M/yr at ASU after taking Buffalo to the tourney. Cronin makes $2.2M/yr at Cincy & just got that last year, but he's taken a team to the tourney 7 times. Hurley is worth $1.5M/yr, maybe, & that's overpaying him $300,000, which we need to do, but we don't need to overpay anyone $800,000, unless they're a proven success, like Cronin, Mack or Miller. I'd sooner hire Boyle for $1M (heck probably even less) over Hurley for $2M.
People need to stop perpetuating the myth that this job is a career killer. We've always made bad hires & never hired a good coach that any P5 or top midmajor wanted because we were too cheap, so just stop the nonsense already. No other P5 school or even good midmajor wanted Waters, FHJ, Rice or EJ (or even Bannon for that matter). Had we hired Wright & other top candidates & they failed, then you could say it's a career killer. Enough with this already.
People need to stop perpetuating the myth that this job is a career killer. We've always made bad hires & never hired a good coach that any P5 or top midmajor wanted because we were too cheap, so just stop the nonsense already. No other P5 school or even good midmajor wanted Waters, FHJ, Rice or EJ (or even Bannon for that matter). Had we hired Wright & other top candidates & they failed, then you could say it's a career killer. Enough with this already.
He sounds to me like a man who knows exactly what is what with regards to an RU job. You take this job and you make sure you're set for life because there are decent odds you don't get it done. Is he worth 7 years of 2 million for any other job in the country? Of course not. Unfortunately we aren't any other job in the country and we're going to have to overpay.
You think Ash comes here for his current salary if were were still playing in the bowl we had in '92 with the same facilities? What about if we were playing in that bowl and the last coach was Shea? Sadly enough the scenario I described above for football is likely actually a bit better than the one the BBall program finds itself in.
This thread demonstrates that the majority of our fans have no clue how poor the perception of our program is. Ironically the same ones who wanted EJ canned without thinking ahead.
No one worth ANYTHING is going to risk flushing their career down the toilet here unless they are paid very well, for very long and have a written commitment for facilities upgrades and an expanded budget.
If you guys don't want a guy who wants that, then we will hire yet another loser and in 3 more years we can just cut the program.
Some of you are so dense.
No one worth ANYTHING is going to risk flushing their career down the toilet here unless they are paid very well, for very long and have a written commitment for facilities upgrades and an expanded budget.
If you guys don't want a guy who wants that, then we will hire yet another loser and in 3 more years we can just cut the program.
Some of you are so dense.
I always laugh when I hear people throw things out like this.
I just took a quick look, and in Iowa city, home to The University Iowa, a 4068 sq. ft home on .58 acre lot listed for $1,259,000 million has property taxes of $21,000.
As a comparison, in Fair Haven, NJ (I believe Mike Rice lives here and lived here when coaching Rutgers...don't know where Jordan lives) a 4,076 sq. ft home on 1.69 acres is currently listed for $1,270,00 with property taxes of 25,000.
So, to live in a similar sized house, in a great neighborhood, will cost about 48K more a year in NJ than in Iowa.
Throw in a few thousand extra for travel, and higher car insurance, (say 5K in total ) and you're talking a difference of only $53K a year, not a $500K difference.
Private schools will be a wash, as will public schools.
To say the cost of living would be an additional half a million a year in Iowa is simply false.
For Hurley, it's even less of an issue, since the cost of living is higher in Rhode Island than it is in Iowa.
Don't think all panicked, but some made the search look like it was becoming a disaster and acted like it was.
Others felt the process would take time and didn't let the media or twitter messages get them into a new frenzy every 5 minutes.
None of the candidates are the type that the world will end if they don't get hired.
RU is still going gambling on choices top programs won't consider as their best options.
It's just that RU MBB has been down so long that the second tier candidates that it's looking at as their best choice for HC look more likely to succeed at RU to its fanbase then they really are.
Every one being talked about on this board are not the pick of the litter, just members of the litter that RU has a chance of getting as its MBB HC because of how bad the program is.
