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3 wins, 39 losses in the BIG

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Yes, pike has a good staff and things are looking up . But if you would have told me would be 3-39 in the conference since entering this league. Wow that's a pretty rough record to look at.
 
Looks like you're right. Didn't realize we had a win over Penn State in basketball.
 
If you count our two losses in the Big Ten tourney it's 3-41 against conference opponents.

What's crazier is that we split our first 4 Big Ten games. We were a very respectable 2-2 after the Wisconsin upset.
 
Local Shill said:
If you count our two losses in the Big Ten tourney it's 3-41 against conference opponents.

What's crazier is that we split our first 4 Big Ten games. We were a very respectable 2-2 after the Wisconsin upset.
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That means 1-39 since Wisconsin! Wow
 
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stats dont like...I dont think we have beaten a school in the top 150 since Wisconsin which was a one in a million type win

39 out of 40 losses and people say we arent patient enough lmfao
 
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If you take a step back, it is absolutely unbelievable. We literally have to fight tooth and nail to even outrecruit mid majors. The deck is stacked against Pikiell. He'll need to pull a miracle. I think his focus should be on smart, fundamentally sound basketball players that know how to make basic basketball plays. I'm talking make open 3s, free throws, take care of the ball, understand defensive positioning. You may have to sacrifice athleticism, but I think it is how we'd crawl out of this hole and win a handful of big ten games...
 
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I love that Rutgers is in the Big Ten, and I fully understand that we are behind in money and facilities right now and we need those first, which are coming, and then coaches, which I believe we have, before we can even sniff any sort of success again in FB and MBB. But, sports is so much about "right now", and sometimes I wonder how it could be that the team I root for is so unbelievably and historically bad in these sports with no actual signs of life besides hope right now. It's like a movie.

I mean I was reading about Baylor, who was #1 this week after not being significant in the 60 years before 2008, and even THEY in their prior coaches' last year in 2003, as they were PULLING PLAYERS OFF THE INTRAMURAL COURT to field a team, managed to get 3 league wins and finish 8-22. Which is better than we were last season. So I just don't know sometimes.
 
ScarletDave said:
I love that Rutgers is in the Big Ten, and I fully understand that we are behind in money and facilities right now and we need those first, which are coming, and then coaches, which I believe we have, before we can even sniff any sort of success again in FB and MBB. But, sports is so much about "right now", and sometimes I wonder how it could be that the team I root for is so unbelievably and historically bad in these sports with no actual signs of life besides hope right now. It's like a movie.

I mean I was reading about Baylor, who was #1 this week after not being significant in the 60 years before 2008, and even THEY in their prior coaches' last year in 2003, as they were PULLING PLAYERS OFF THE INTRAMURAL COURT to field a team, managed to get 3 league wins and finish 8-22. Which is better than we were last season. So I just don't know sometimes.
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I take it you are a younger fan here....I was in school the last time they made the tourney in 1991 and have been suffering for 26 years ever since, with my hopes fading little by little each year. Its sad but the wheels set in motion by Fred G to turn down the Big East and then the moves by Uncle Bob in the 2000s buried this program where I am not sure we will ever get out of
 
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bac2therac said:
I take it you are a younger fan here....I was in school the last time they made the tourney in 1991 and have been suffering for 26 years ever since, with my hopes fading little by little each year. Its sad but the wheels set in motion by Fred G to turn down the Big East and then the moves by Uncle Bob in the 2000s buried this program where I am not sure we will ever get out of
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I'm a couple of years younger than bac. Yesterday was one of those games where I thought I'd go to my grave and never see RU in another NCAA tournament.
 
remember that when Waters got here in 2002 we thought that 11 years was such a long time, remember the jokes people used to make.....we are now 14 further in the future, I think most reasonable people have pretty much lost all hope. The days of the RAC being a force are long gone...for many reasons, thats a lifetime ago. But I guess there is hope, Northwestern looks like they may finally make their first NCAA tourney. What I think the trajectory at RU is going to be is years of bouncing between 13-18 and 17-14, now do we keep that or try fire a coach that doesnt get us to the NCAA tourney in 6 years
 
My sense of it is if NW can do it RU can too.

Facilities at NW are not very good and the academic component is a difficult one.

All about the right guy running the show.
 
I think after having ADs that didn't put much effort in making RU basketball a winner and running it on the cheap, Hobbs understands that RU needs to invest in the BB program and hire competent HCs , not gamble on finding gold with an on the cheap hire.
Hopefully with Hobbs and Pikiell running the show, the NCAA won't be that far off.
 
TDIrish27 said:
My sense of it is if NW can do it RU can too.

Facilities at NW are not very good and the academic component is a difficult one.

All about the right guy running the show.
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Yeah its not like it hasnt taken them their entire history to get to this point
 
bac2therac said:
stats dont like...I dont think we have beaten a school in the top 150 since Wisconsin which was a one in a million type win

39 out of 40 losses and people say we arent patient enough lmfao
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How long do you want to give Pike?
 
MADHAT1 said:
I think after having ADs that didn't put much effort in making RU basketball a winner and running it on the cheap, Hobbs understands that RU needs to invest in the BB program and hire competent HCs , not gamble on finding gold with an on the cheap hire.
Hopefully with Hobbs and Pikiell running the show, the NCAA won't be that far off.
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Lots of us have already gone through beyond "far off". Are you talking "far off" Part II. A new "far off"? The standard time measurement for Rutgers fans is decades and generations ... not seasons.
 
jtung230 said:
How long do you want to give Pike?
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At the very least 5 seasons. Then there are a few things you can do from there. Not really concerned with timelines at this point though. It's understood he will get all of that time.
 
at least 6 and if the team is say 17-14, he will get a 7th.....exception is if he still pulling Eddie type 10-23 years in his 5th year
 
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At the very least 5 seasons. Then there are a few things you can do from there. Not really concerned with timelines at this point though. It's understood he will get all of that time.
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5 seasons? I think you misunderstood my question. How many years of the current results do you give him? If he turns it around, then he can stay as long as he wants. EJ got 1 B1G win with a depleted team. I expected more with Pike with a full roster but I'll be happy with one at this point.
 
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5 seasons? I think you misunderstood my question. How many years of the current results do you give him? If he turns it around, then he can stay as long as he wants. EJ got 1 B1G win with a depleted team. I expected more with Pike with a full roster but I'll be happy with one at this point.
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5 seasons
 
MADHAT1 said: ↑
I think after having ADs that didn't put much effort in making RU basketball a winner and running it on the cheap, Hobbs understands that RU needs to invest in the BB program and hire competent HCs , not gamble on finding gold with an on the cheap hire.
Hopefully with Hobbs and Pikiell running the show, the NCAA won't be that far off.
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Lots of us have already gone through beyond "far off". Are you talking "far off" Part II. A new "far off"? The standard time measurement for Rutgers fans is decades and generations ... not seasons.
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Seems like I'm saying far off part 3 and trying to b e positive about not saying part 4 after this.
I have been disappointed many times over the years
I have been disgusted many times over the years
But I've never given up hope, though came close a time or 2 over the years.

I have been wanting RU MBB to be one of the best College basketball programs goes back to the time Bill Foster was the RU MBB HC .
I felt the taste of RU being a truly successful College MBB program and the pleasure it brought all RU MBB fans in 1976 and been waiting for that taste to return
like every other RU from that era .
So I know the time measurements you speak of, because I've been living it : 'over the years'
So far off is as long as it takes, because I won't give up my hope that RU MBB becomes the type of basketball program every RU MBB fan thought it was going to be in 1976
 
Not useful to compare us to Northwestern. It is apples and oranges. Northwestern only decided relatively recently to improve their status in athletics. They spent a fair amount of time "recruiting" Pat Fitzgerald to become the football coach. They identified him as not only talented but someone who had a desire to stay long term. They did the same thing with Chris Collins in basketball. Last year they did it with baseball hiring a rising star with ties to the area. Then, Northwestern supported these coaches in every way - most importantly financially. That is something RU cannot do. Forget about the Big Ten payouts. Northwestern has one of the largest endowments in the country. I believe they have passed the 10 billion dollar mark. Moreover, while RU struggles to reach a 100 million dollar goal, Northwestern raised 250 million dollars in a relatively short time frame to improve its athletic facilities. None of that funding came from the endowment or government. So once Northwestern decided to improve athletically its administration did what was necessary.

Northwestern also developed a plan to "market" itself to athletes who sincerely desire an elite education. They have the ability to accomplish this whereas RU is simply not in that league academically.

None of this is meant to disparage RU. It simply demonstrates why Northwestern is able to accomplish things that RU does not ha e the wherewithal financially or academically to accomplish.

I do not know if RU will ever have the financial ability - even with full Big Ten payouts - or the institutional will to support a strong athletic program. We will see. Right now, however, we do not have the resources.
 
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Seton Hall BBall sucked in the early years of the Big East. PJ Carlesimo came in, got Mark Bryant to go there and things change in a hurry for that program. Maybe Steve Pikiell will be our PJ. Just need our Mark Bryant - a recruiting game changer for the program.
 
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Based on other RU sport records ... If 0.5 was for number of B1G wins ... We have 5 teams winning the under.
 
bac2therac said:
I take it you are a younger fan here....I was in school the last time they made the tourney in 1991 and have been suffering for 26 years ever since, with my hopes fading little by little each year. Its sad but the wheels set in motion by Fred G to turn down the Big East and then the moves by Uncle Bob in the 2000s buried this program where I am not sure we will ever get out of
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I started school just a few years behind you and have NEVER seen our school in the NCAA tourney. As have many others here. Hate to say it, but I've just accepted it. It might happen one day, but I doubt I'll be around to see it.
 
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When will the new practice facility be finished? After next season right? I give him 4 seasons after that. So 6 years, NCAA or bust!
 
jtung230 said:
A better benchmark is NIT in 2 years.
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Don't forget, NIT is only 32 teams and it includes any team that won their conference but lost their tourney. If you get into the NIT it's because you JUST missed the NCAAs. If we're that good, I hope we make it to the big dance. And to be that good, I give coach 6 years.
 
It's hard to set a timetable. But all signs point to pike turning this around: he's a proven program builder, has a great staff, and learned from one of the all-time greats . Pike knows what he's doing .
It scares me to think what hell will happen if pike doesn't have some success ? Then no one short of a someone that's already been a big winner is going to win here.
 
A timetable is a dangerous thing, but it's still not unreasonable to expect some kind of tangible improvement once you've gotten four recruiting classes. Five years is enough regardless of how bad you start out at. Anything less is unfair, assuming we aren't treading water in single-digit wins, a la Littlepage and Jordan. But we don't have to be 20-9 to have "tangible" improvement, either. Eye test. Public sentiment. How the program is doing off the court. These things matter, especially when the improvement is slow and steady, as we would expect.

We'll be able to feel it. If it's going to happen, that is.
 
Two years after the new facility is enough time for Bball. After that it's more luck than anything else. I do agree with boro on the measurement of success or progress. IMO, if we can be in the middle of the pack In the B1G, NIT is within reach.
 
Sir Scarlet, all the pessimists will be yelling "No Fair!" at you for posting this after a very good next-to-last second win against Nebraska. EJ's lone B1G win came against a Minnesota team that had just suspended several players. The game announcers were pro-Nebraska, but not unreasonably so, but they mentioned the difference between this team and last year's team in terms of effort, rebounding and defense. Not sure where all these posters in this thread are at in their perception, but this team, with largely the same key players, is much better than last. You have to build a recruit or two at a time, and Geo Baker may be the shooter we need.
You have to be pleased with what Sanders did, not just the 25 points, but the way he is finally showing leadership, and playing more soundly. He was really pumped down the stretch and after the game--have not seen that much from him before. Maybe stuff is finally working its way into his psyche, and he can build off that performance. It is in the nature of message board posters to be impatient and want it NOW!!! But it will take a few years, brick by brick. There are no short cuts--we are not UK or Duke.

Again, one can point to the Milwaukee Bucks with Karl Anthony Towns, Wiggins, Zach Levine--and Ricky Rubio. A great collection of young talent, but it will take time and another move or two before they become a winning team, let alone a championship contender.
TL
 
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