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80% of newly named head coaches start full time with new team

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Let.s stop the misleading bs that some have subscribed to as "the norm" in college football. It looks like there were 17 (other than Ash) new head coaches hired (USA Today article), of the 17, 4 were hired from within, Odom at Missouri, Helton at USC, Claeys at Minnesota and Cubit at Illinois (what awful hires, makes you never want to hire from within), so to be fair, lets drop those 4 out of the calculation since they had no choice.

We now have 13 left, ONLY 3 are staying through the bowl game, which means 77% decided it was best to start immediately, almost 80% tells you what you need to know. Smart, which one could argue is not a fair comparison because his current team is in the national championship hunt, of course he would stay, Mendenhall, which isn't a direct comparison since he is the head coach, therefore there is only one other newly named head coach who is staying through the bowl, Montgomery, who will coach Duke in the bowl game before going to ECU...just one other, just one, in case its not clear only one other. Crunch the numbers and you get 77%, who are starting their new gig immediately, putting 100% focus on their new job, not attempting to do two full time jobs, which only short changes both jobs (just human).

As I researched this, the comments made by the coaches that decided to start their new jobs full time were startling. Most of us know a college head football coach works ridiculous hours, well when you are the newly hired head coach and have to hire a staff, recruit, meet the team, meet the support staff, meet key supporters (boosters), meet HS coaches, create buzz around the program, just to name a few items on your to do list (not even mentioning a family move), there isn't enough time in the day to do it all. Than you decide to make it even more difficult at a critical time by still attempting to do your previous duties, it actually hurts both teams. Other coaches explained how critical this time is, to recruit and to assemble the best staff you can as quickly as possible, as good names come off the board and once hired the assistant coaches have to adjust and do the same to do list.

Durkin at Maryland, Frost at UCF, Babers at Syracuse, Campbell at Iowa State, Fuente at Virginia Tech, Norvell at Memphis, Muschamp at USCe, Sitake at BYU, Richt at Miami and Fritz at Tulane have decided to go all in, 24/7, at a critical time....for a good reason.

Lets stop the bs, its not even close, the majority of new head coaches, almost 80%, start their new job immediately, with 100% focus, otherwise two jobs get less than they deserve.
 
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This is a GREAT RECRUITING TOOL Shows that R guy is totally into the job and totally committed I love that R coach stays true to his word and wont bolt us for a NFL job or another job. LOVE what he is doing.
 
This is a GREAT RECRUITING TOOL Shows that R guy is totally into the job and totally committed I love that R coach stays true to his word and wont bolt us for a NFL job or another job. LOVE what he is doing.
one point has nothing to do with the other, its all projecting, if ash is successful, which we all want, he too will bolt and that's ok, no one can love a part time effort in a full time job
 
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Please run an analysis on this for the past 5, 10, 25, and 50 years, and break it down by conference, and regions of the country, as well as winning percentages of the hiring school 5 years before and after the hire.

Then we can discuss.
We need more data.

We'll be here waiting.
Thanks.
 
Its the norm for Urban Meyer assistants, so if you want one of them deal. And if you don't want one of them.... well, deal with that too, because we hired one. And in seven, yes seven days, it won't matter anyway.

(I only read the first sentence, so i am responding to the "norm" comment. I assume the rest was more of the same.)
 
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How many of the other coaches you listed are in a New Years 6 game?

Plus you say he is splitting his attention. Fine but I ask you what more would you like him to have done so far? We have made hires and from his comments the rest are lined up. He has reached out to all our prospects and additional prospects. He was hired the week the dead period started so not like he would be here hosting recruits. Yes, he missed the EE visits but instead he went and did in-homes. He is here this week and was discussing facilities with Hobbs and met with players.

So I am just wondering what else you wanted accomplished during this period of split time?
 
Let.s stop the misleading bs that some have subscribed to as "the norm" in college football. It looks like there were 17 (other than Ash) new head coaches hired (USA Today article), of the 17, 4 were hired from within, Odom at Missouri, Helton at USC, Claeys at Minnesota and Cubit at Illinois (what awful hires, makes you never want to hire from within), so to be fair, lets drop those 4 out of the calculation since they had no choice.

We now have 13 left, ONLY 3 are staying through the bowl game, which means 77% decided it was best to start immediately, almost 80% tells you what you need to know. Smart, which one could argue is not a fair comparison because his current team is in the national championship hunt, of course he would stay, Mendenhall, which isn't a direct comparison since he is the head coach, therefore there is only one other newly named head coach who is staying through the bowl, Montgomery, who will coach Duke in the bowl game before going to ECU...just one other, just one, in case its not clear only one other. Crunch the numbers and you get 77%, who are starting their new gig immediately, putting 100% focus on their new job, not attempting to do two full time jobs, which only short changes both jobs (just human).

As I researched this, the comments made by the coaches that decided to start their new jobs full time were startling. Most of us know a college head football coach works ridiculous hours, well when you are the newly hired head coach and have to hire a staff, recruit, meet the team, meet the support staff, meet key supporters (boosters), meet HS coaches, create buzz around the program, just to name a few items on your to do list (not even mentioning a family move), there isn't enough time in the day to do it all. Than you decide to make it even more difficult at a critical time by still attempting to do your previous duties, it actually hurts both teams. Other coaches explained how critical this time is, to recruit and to assemble the best staff you can as quickly as possible, as good names come off the board and once hired the assistant coaches have to adjust and do the same to do list.

Durkin at Maryland, Frost at UCF, Babers at Syracuse, Campbell at Iowa State, Fuente at Virginia Tech, Norvell at Memphis, Muschamp at USCe, Sitake at BYU, Richt at Miami and Fritz at Tulane have decided to go all in, 24/7, at a critical time....for a good reason.

Lets stop the bs, its not even close, the majority of new head coaches, almost 80%, start their new job immediately, with 100% focus, otherwise two jobs get less than they deserve.
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I agree and I have supported the hire, it irks me that others attempt to spin the choice to delay his full time status as the norm when it isn't

So what should we do:

a) Fire Ash
b) Repeatedly condemn Ash for making a bad move, and call him out as a liar for claiming it was the right thing to do
c) Ignore it and move on
d) Buy a DeLorean and go back in time to change Ash's decision
 
Let's face it, IF Ash came immediately he may have kept 1 or 2 commits and maybe grabbed 1 or 2 others. However, if the recruits were guts more geared to pro style offense would we really be ahead?

4 weeks is not enough time compared to years other schools have invested in recruits. This recruiting season is a toss out. Ash will be judged in the next few with each following year being more critical than prev year.
 
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Let.s stop the misleading bs that some have subscribed to as "the norm" in college football. It looks like there were 17 (other than Ash) new head coaches hired (USA Today article), of the 17, 4 were hired from within, Odom at Missouri, Helton at USC, Claeys at Minnesota and Cubit at Illinois (what awful hires, makes you never want to hire from within), so to be fair, lets drop those 4 out of the calculation since they had no choice.

We now have 13 left, ONLY 3 are staying through the bowl game, which means 77% decided it was best to start immediately, almost 80% tells you what you need to know. Smart, which one could argue is not a fair comparison because his current team is in the national championship hunt, of course he would stay, Mendenhall, which isn't a direct comparison since he is the head coach, therefore there is only one other newly named head coach who is staying through the bowl, Montgomery, who will coach Duke in the bowl game before going to ECU...just one other, just one, in case its not clear only one other. Crunch the numbers and you get 77%, who are starting their new gig immediately, putting 100% focus on their new job, not attempting to do two full time jobs, which only short changes both jobs (just human).

As I researched this, the comments made by the coaches that decided to start their new jobs full time were startling. Most of us know a college head football coach works ridiculous hours, well when you are the newly hired head coach and have to hire a staff, recruit, meet the team, meet the support staff, meet key supporters (boosters), meet HS coaches, create buzz around the program, just to name a few items on your to do list (not even mentioning a family move), there isn't enough time in the day to do it all. Than you decide to make it even more difficult at a critical time by still attempting to do your previous duties, it actually hurts both teams. Other coaches explained how critical this time is, to recruit and to assemble the best staff you can as quickly as possible, as good names come off the board and once hired the assistant coaches have to adjust and do the same to do list.

Durkin at Maryland, Frost at UCF, Babers at Syracuse, Campbell at Iowa State, Fuente at Virginia Tech, Norvell at Memphis, Muschamp at USCe, Sitake at BYU, Richt at Miami and Fritz at Tulane have decided to go all in, 24/7, at a critical time....for a good reason.

Lets stop the bs, its not even close, the majority of new head coaches, almost 80%, start their new job immediately, with 100% focus, otherwise two jobs get less than they deserve.

Think about this :

This dude wakes up, on Christmas Eve, on a Thursday. Its over 70 degrees outside...

And this is what he does. He logs on and posts this right here.
 
Its the norm for Urban Meyer assistants, so if you want one of them deal. And if you don't want one of them.... well, deal with that too, because we hired one. And in seven, yes seven days, it won't matter anyway.

(I only read the first sentence, so i am responding to the "norm" comment. I assume the rest was more of the same.)
I present one of the "norm" delusionists
 
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So what should we do:

a) Fire Ash
b) Repeatedly condemn Ash for making a bad move, and call him out as a liar for claiming it was the right thing to do
c) Ignore it and move on
d) Buy a DeLorean and go back in time to change Ash's decision
if we could "D", my choice is "B", followed by "C"
 
Think about this :

This dude wakes up, on Christmas Eve, on a Thursday. Its over 70 degrees outside...

And this is what he does. He logs on and posts this right here.
unless you are stalking me, you have no idea when I woke up, when I got up this am, the fog in my yard was thicker than the fog in your head
 
If one of the 20% is successful, it will be Ash.
He's starting out showing he is a man of his word and won't let the players counting on him down.
Just hope the posters complaining about Ash not walking away from his Buckeye players because he got the RU job are not among the posters that have constantly whined about an ex RU HC leaving the way he did.
 
Let.s stop the misleading bs that some have subscribed to as "the norm" in college football. It looks like there were 17 (other than Ash) new head coaches hired (USA Today article), of the 17, 4 were hired from within, Odom at Missouri, Helton at USC, Claeys at Minnesota and Cubit at Illinois (what awful hires, makes you never want to hire from within), so to be fair, lets drop those 4 out of the calculation since they had no choice.

We now have 13 left, ONLY 3 are staying through the bowl game, which means 77% decided it was best to start immediately, almost 80% tells you what you need to know. Smart, which one could argue is not a fair comparison because his current team is in the national championship hunt, of course he would stay, Mendenhall, which isn't a direct comparison since he is the head coach, therefore there is only one other newly named head coach who is staying through the bowl, Montgomery, who will coach Duke in the bowl game before going to ECU...just one other, just one, in case its not clear only one other. Crunch the numbers and you get 77%, who are starting their new gig immediately, putting 100% focus on their new job, not attempting to do two full time jobs, which only short changes both jobs (just human).

As I researched this, the comments made by the coaches that decided to start their new jobs full time were startling. Most of us know a college head football coach works ridiculous hours, well when you are the newly hired head coach and have to hire a staff, recruit, meet the team, meet the support staff, meet key supporters (boosters), meet HS coaches, create buzz around the program, just to name a few items on your to do list (not even mentioning a family move), there isn't enough time in the day to do it all. Than you decide to make it even more difficult at a critical time by still attempting to do your previous duties, it actually hurts both teams. Other coaches explained how critical this time is, to recruit and to assemble the best staff you can as quickly as possible, as good names come off the board and once hired the assistant coaches have to adjust and do the same to do list.

Durkin at Maryland, Frost at UCF, Babers at Syracuse, Campbell at Iowa State, Fuente at Virginia Tech, Norvell at Memphis, Muschamp at USCe, Sitake at BYU, Richt at Miami and Fritz at Tulane have decided to go all in, 24/7, at a critical time....for a good reason.

Lets stop the bs, its not even close, the majority of new head coaches, almost 80%, start their new job immediately, with 100% focus, otherwise two jobs get less than they deserve.
Let's stop the misleading bs, you are not now and never have been a Rutgers fan . Your posts are consistently a one way ticket to negativityland . You have earned a place on "Ignore". Happy Holidays jerk off.
 
Folks, we got a big one on the line. I'm not sure what it is. Could be a Floodie, or maybe a Goldie. Might even be a Greggie.
Help me reel 'em in and let's see!
 
Obviously D is not possible. So your choice is B. What does that accomplish?
To be fair, his choice was B then C, meaning he wants to condemn Ash some more before finally ignoring it and moving on. It still accomplishes nothing except creating negativity where it need not exist but I assume the OP will feel better (for whatever reason).
 
Folks, we got a big one on the line. I'm not sure what it is. Could be a Floodie, or maybe a Goldie. Might even be a Greggie.
Help me reel 'em in and let's see!
I'm far from a "floodie or a goldie", read my posts, that will help you get your facts straight
 
To be fair, his choice was B then C, meaning he wants to condemn Ash some more before finally ignoring it and moving on. It still accomplishes nothing except creating negativity where it need not exist but I assume the OP will feel better (for whatever reason).
thanks for the correction, my intention is mentioned in the original post, I think most will agree that this board as well as most residents of nj, don't like bs and will call it out
 
I only worry when a high profile hire gives notice and old employer says that's ok, you can leave now.
 
thanks for the correction, my intention is mentioned in the original post, I think most will agree that this board as well as most residents of nj, don't like bs and will call it out
Your intention is to waste the time of the people on this board with your negativity. That was supposed to be done during Festivus which you do not fully understand the rules of. Plus-it's 70 degrees out. GO outside and tell this BS post to a tree. You may actually get the response/replies that you wanted from posting this. Than please find an active volcano and jump it to it. Thank you and Merry Christmas!
 
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