a Golden scenario

[knightfan7]

I get it, obviously, but would YOU honestly keep ANY of these guys? Plus, the OP wants to make it a "provision" in Golden's "contract" that he keeps ALL members of the current staff other than Rossi. That's freakin', well, NUTS I say! [banana]

I pointed out why you can't keep the entire staff so that's not the question.

No offense but do you really know who does a good job and who doesn't on an individual basis? You can make an assumption based on what we see on the field but it's still nothing more than a fan's guess.

If a new HC, like many have done, wanted for his own reasons to keep 1 or even 2 holdovers are you going to say he's clueless? Is he a failure before he starts? Is he just too "stubborn" to understand what you already know? If the answer to those questions are yes, we're screwed before we start because that sounds like who?

 

[mildone]

You should come to terms with this now ;)

Ugh, say it ain't so. I really hope not. Would be an expensive mistake, most likely.

 

[Leonard23]

You should come to terms with this now ;)

And by terms he means the same as what we've had the past 4 years so get ready for the 2019 coaching search.

 

[mildone]

And by terms he means the same as what we've had the past 4 years so get ready for the 2019 coaching search.

Which is exactly what I'm afraid of. I don't so much mind that sort of thing happening (it's always more likely than not) but at least we should find someone with a winning record for it to happen with.

 

[bethlehemfan]

Golden is terrible so good chance a nightmare like this could play out.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Which is exactly what I'm afraid of. I don't so much mind that sort of thing happening (it's always more likely than not) but at least we should find someone with a winning record for it to happen with.

It's not "more likely than not."

 

[rutgersguy1]

Golden is terrible so good chance a nightmare like this could play out.

I'd be disappointed. The only hope would be that he'd do a better job choosing his coordinators than he did at Miami and I'm not optimistic about that prospect.

 

[mildone]

It's not "more likely than not."

You don't think it's more likely than not that we'll be conducting another coaching search sometime around 2019?

I think that the odds are heavily stacked against any coach RU brings in insofar as regularly competing with and beating elite Big Ten teams. So I think it's more likely than not that we will indeed be searching for a new coach again by about 2019 or so.

 

[chase07470]

If hiring a great coach is like striking oil, hiring Golden is like buying land that's already been explored unsuccessfully yet still thinking you can strike it rich.

He's a bust. Thankfully, not our bust.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Next guy hires staff

Please show me what benefit having the staff intact from 2014 to 2015 has had

I'm shocked how much we've regressed considering this

 

[Leonard23]

Please show me what benefit having the staff intact from 2014 to 2015 has had

I'm shocked how much we've regressed considering this

Regressed? This might be the most overstated & incorrect point on here. The real problem is inexperience & no depth. We lost 12 of 22 starters to graduation & the draft & then lost Hamilton & our entire secondary. We have 1 of the least experienced teams in the country & Phil Steele ranked us the 112th most experienced in June before losing Hamilton & our secondary & playing without Carroo for several games. Plus Turay has been injured all year. We'd actually be much lower than 112 . Here's DD's article on this from June:

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...ll_have_one_of_the_most_inexperienced_ro.html

Last year with all of those experienced starters we were only 8-5 with blowout losses to the powers so it's hard to expect some miracle turn around or even getting 6, 7 or 8 wins without them.

 

[RUJohnny99]

Completely hypothetical to the anti-Golden crowd: if Golden was willing to come in at the same $1.6 million that we were to pay Flood next year, should we reject him and stick with Flood?

 

[PaKnight]

Completely hypothetical to the anti-Golden crowd: if Golden was willing to come in at the same $1.6 million that we were to pay Flood next year, should we reject him and stick with Flood?

I know you said hypothetical, but the real question is if we make a change, is Golden the best option. Most would pick Golden over Flood.

 

[knightfan7]

Completely hypothetical to the anti-Golden crowd: if Golden was willing to come in at the same $1.6 million that we were to pay Flood next year, should we reject him and stick with Flood?

The two things are mutually exclusive unless you say he's the only candidate. I can not want either and make a damn good argument why.

To answer your question, I don't see where Golden is all that much an upgrade.

 

[Leonard23]

Completely hypothetical to the anti-Golden crowd: if Golden was willing to come in at the same $1.6 million that we were to pay Flood next year, should we reject him and stick with Flood?

What exactly does Golden do well? I'd probably prefer a MAC HC or P5 coordinator that actually does something well, either offensively or defensively, over a wannabe JoePa that does nothing well. Plus, he's scum & a liar. I wouldn't take him for $900k.

 

[radio43]

Golden is next coach at RU!!!!

 

[RUJohnny99]

What exactly does Golden do well? I'd probably prefer a MAC HC or P5 coordinator that actually does something well, either offensively or defensively, over a wannabe JoePa that does nothing well. Plus, he's scum & a liar. I wouldn't take him for $900k.

So I'll put you in the "keep flood" category.
Next?

 

[RUJohnny99]

The two things are mutually exclusive unless you say he's the only candidate. I can not want either and make a damn good argument why.

To answer your question, I don't see where Golden is all that much an upgrade.

So keep Flood?

Okay

 

[Leonard23]

So I'll put you in the "keep flood" category.
Next?

I'm fine with a change as I mentioned...just anyone other than Golden.

 

[Caliknight]

Getting Golden is the one option worse than keeping Flood. At least some no name coordinator is an unknown.

Golden is known garbage.

 

[RUJohnny99]

I know you said hypothetical, but the real question is if we make a change, is Golden the best option. Most would pick Golden over Flood.

Apparently not, to the two people behind you

 

[RUJohnny99]

Getting Golden is the one option worse than keeping Flood. At least some no name coordinator is an unknown.

Golden is known garbage.

3 people for keeping Flood.

I hope you all don't mind when I drop from 4 season tickets to 1 next year.

 

[Leonard23]

3 people for keeping Flood.

I hope you all don't mind when I drop from 4 season tickets to 1 next year.

Drop away. The fact that you think a losing coach who couldn't win with elite 4* & 5* FL talent in a weak ACC is an upgrade is baffling. Hire someone else if we're making a move.

 

[PaKnight]

I'm fine with a change as I mentioned...just anyone other than Golden.

I think John has been drinking too much Tanqueray and wine. Just because people are not crazy about Golden, does not mean they don't want a change.

 

[RUJohnny99]

The hypothetical was keeping Flood or taking Golden at the same contract price as Flood. There is no MAC coach, there is no Schiano. I'm just trying to gauge interest in getting rid of Flood.

You can do the same game with Ruhle, Fleck, etc

 

[PaKnight]

The hypothetical was keeping Flood or taking Golden at the same contract price as Flood. There is no MAC coach, there is no Schiano. I'm just trying to gauge interest in getting rid of Flood.

The question does not gauge interest in getting rid of Flood. It just compares Flood to Golden.

 

[Caliknight]

3 people for keeping Flood.

I hope you all don't mind when I drop from 4 season tickets to 1 next year.

Do what you gotta do.

 

[RUJohnny99]

I think John has been drinking too much Tanqueray and wine.

10 years in & someone realizes I'm not class of 99 but a Bruce fan!

 

[RUJohnny99]

The question does not gauge interest in getting rid of Flood. It just compares Flood to Golden.

No, it's a simple question, replace Flood with Golden?

 

[RUJohnny99]

My argument remains

Show me a coach with
10 years head coaching experience
With NJ ties
Known to be a good recruiter

Who falls into your lap. Maybe we pay him for 4 years, but the financial situation is a lot different in 2019 than it is in 2015.


Bring on the Golden age.

 

[rutgers48]

On what planet do some of you people exist? I'm just curious. Thanks.

 

[ClassOf02]

If the choice is just between Golden and Flood, I'll take Golden every day of the week. He may not do much with the talent he recruits, but the cupboard won't be as bare in 3-4 years when we have to fire him (with a much larger budget btw) as it would be with Flood.

 

[KT71]

Excuse me? I don't "know the entire staff"? Really? First off, don't tell me what I do, or don't, "know." Secondly a blind, deaf, and dumb squirrel could tell you this staff isn't getting it done.

Thank you.

I repeat you don't know the whole staff! But if you point of reference is a squirrel I see why you may think you do

 

[rutgersguy1]

The hypothetical was keeping Flood or taking Golden at the same contract price as Flood. There is no MAC coach, there is no Schiano. I'm just trying to gauge interest in getting rid of Flood.

You can do the same game with Ruhle, Fleck, etc

I'd do it with the hope Golden has learned something from Miami and at least he did move towards a uptempo spread which I think is the best avenue. I would be disappointed with the hire though. Same for Rhule, Fleck..figures the 3 you chose aren't in my top choices for coaches, lol.

How about Doug Meacham or Flood, Dave Aranda or Flood, Dino Babers or Flood, those would be much better choices for me in this false dichotomy haha.

 

[Knight Shift]

Golden and Flood on the same staff--that would be like a golden shower?

 

[rufeelinit]

The Schiano option is looking better everyday. And that is not necessarily a good thing.

 

[Bamm Bamm Rubble]

Dude failed in Miami.....

 

[BigEastPhil]

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO! The ENTIRE staff must go. Period. I don't want any "leftovers" for any reason. They can't coach NOR can they recruit. See ya'!

Agree that Flood must go and would be thrilled with Golden - however I would hope Golden or whoever the new HC is keeps Norries Wilson (his track as RB coach is good) and Panagos (like his enthusiasm.)

 

[seels2662]

Golden would be our Greg Robinson.

First lets remove this fallacy that he is a good recruiter. The word that was used to describe Golden's recruiting was "lazy". This is not my opinion but insiders at Miami, in an interview on Sirius XM 84. The 4 stars Miami got in Golden's tenure fell in his lap many schools outworked him in his own backyard. Once again this came from people from within the Miami community.

Second, Golden loses the same 58-0 scores as does Flood but he also lost to a Cinci team that couldn't get out of the middle of the pack in the American. And thats with the 4 and 5 star players that he got.

I truly believe that Golden would actually make this program worse, not better.

 

[knightfan7]

So keep Flood?

Okay

Never said that.