Ace and Dylan Top 3? Sorry. Don’t see it…

[biazza38]

No, it’s relevant. Double standard. Judging by conference competitiveness, Pike has been much more successful.

He landed elite recruits. Why does Schiano get a pass for never having done that? So stupid to excuse Schiano’s losing because he doesn’t have the talent to win in the conference.

First off, Schiano was criticized a ton during football season.
And it’s been said a thousand times, if Schiano lost with two top 5 (potentially top 3 picks) he would be criticized just like Pike is. I don’t know why some want to excuse Pike for his poor roster construction. He’s not getting fired so it doesn’t matter. But why excuse him from criticism

 

[jerseybird]

stock is down

Stock has never been higher for Dylan after the last two games.

 

[PaKnight]

Yes, he turned it on… thankfully.

Simply got healthy.

 

[Shelby65]

First off, Schiano was criticized a ton during football season.
And it’s been said a thousand times, if Schiano lost with two top 5 (potentially top 3 picks) he would be criticized just like Pike is. I don’t know why some want to excuse Pike for his poor roster construction. He’s not getting fired so it doesn’t matter. But why excuse him from criticism

Not getting elite recruits shouldn’t be an excuse for Schiano’s record. Would it be an excuse for Pike ? Of course not. That’s a huge part of their jobs.

It’s just dumb to criticize Pike holding him to a higher standard because he got better players.

 

[biazza38]

Not getting elite recruits shouldn’t be an excuse for Schiano’s record. Would it be an excuse for Pike ? Of course not. That’s a huge part of their jobs.

It’s just dumb to criticize Pike holding him to a higher standard because he got better players.

That’s not at all what I said.

The point is, if you get a once in a life time type players in class in year nine and you still fail, that’s gonna draw a lot of criticism. And rightly so. And no one is holding Pike to a higher standard. We’re 32-39 in our last 71 games (since the Mag injury). Do you think that may have something to do with the criticism? It’s not wrong for us to wonder why this team is no better than last year. Pike did an excellent job elevating the program. He deserves credit for that. However, he has made some real colossal roster mistakes. I don’t know how you can just excuse the mistakes he made.

Again, I’m not saying he should be fired, but this isn’t a 10 game stretch. It’s 71 games. And for part of that, when the lights were shining the brightest, he failed. In year 6 or 7, if GS stumbles he will be rightfully criticized.

 

[RU848789]

No, it’s relevant. Double standard. Judging by conference competitiveness, Pike has been much more successful.

He landed elite recruits. Why does Schiano get a pass for never having done that? So stupid to excuse Schiano’s losing because he doesn’t have the talent to win in the conference.

No, it's not relevant, since there is no double standard that I see. Plenty of uneducated posters, like you, out there who have excoriated Schiano and same for Pikiell. And you further betray your bias and unnatural dislike of Schiano in your comparisons of Pike and Schiano. Both started off inheriting terrible teams/programs and each of them had 3 difficult rebuilding years, where it took some time to go from laughingstocks to competitive, as both coaches had losing overall records and fairly abysmal conference records during those 3 years.

But both Schiano and Pike turned things around and had winning seasons in years 4 and 5, with Pike's being a bit better than Schiano's, as he had a bit better of a conference record, but to say he's been "much more successful" is an overstatement. A bit more successful, I'd agree with. And anything related to Schiano is still irrelevant to the discussion at hand about whether Ace and Dylan are top 3 NBA talents.

 

[Shelby65]

No, it's not relevant, since there is no double standard that I see. Plenty of uneducated posters, like you, out there who have excoriated Schiano and same for Pikiell. And you further betray your bias and unnatural dislike of Schiano in your comparisons of Pike and Schiano. Both started off inheriting terrible teams/programs and each of them had 3 difficult rebuilding years, where it took some time to go from laughingstocks to competitive, as both coaches had losing overall records and fairly abysmal conference records during those 3 years.

But both Schiano and Pike turned things around and had winning seasons in years 4 and 5, with Pike's being a bit better than Schiano's, as he had a bit better of a conference record, but to say he's been "much more successful" is an overstatement. A bit more successful, I'd agree with. And anything related to Schiano is still irrelevant to the discussion at hand about whether Ace and Dylan are top 3 NBA talents.

Shelby stated nothing about those two’s draft positions.

He’s stating that it’s illogical to disfavor Pike in the comparison because he had a more disappointing season relative to expectations.

Would you ever say a 15-15 coach who many expected to win 20 + should be fired for underperforming compared to a coach who, say, goes 5-25 every year but that’s all that is expected for his team ? Of course not. Expectations don’t matter to the comparison.

Sure, ‘much better’ is subjective but beating a few highly ranked teams, often being in the top quintile of D1 basketball gives him a clear edge over the guy who’s solidly in the bottom half of FBS and makes the postseason only because there are almost 40 bowls last time Shelby counted. That equates to being much better.

Using football bowl eligibility metrics, hoops would only need to be in the top 160 to make the tourney.

Lower expectations for Schiano shouldn’t be somehow used as an excuse to favor him over a coach whose team has higher expectations.

 

[hinson32]

There still are so many stupid comments on here by totally negative RU fans. People just love to criticize Pike, Harper, Bailey & our team. I have attended practices since Pike was hired and have been to several hundred of them. Our kids work hard every single practice. Ace and Dylan are both only 18 and our other players might not contribute as much as we expected but the BIG Ten is rated as the second best league in the country just behind the SEC and ahead of the Big 12. Our league has many 23 and 24 year old men on BIG rosters. Our team is still rated in the top 20 % of the 369 D-1 teams in the entire country. We also have played the 24th toughest schedule in the country. Yes we have lost some games we should not have lost but not everything turns out the way we always want things to. Some just love to rip our coaches and our players to make themselves look good when most probably never even competed in high school or college sports. It is easy to sit behind a desk and type negative comments. Coaching and participating are not easy. I like fans who root for our team and stick with our team through thick and thin. That is what I have done since 1971. We don't need "fans" who just jump on board but really are not RU fans for very long. We had not been to the NCAA for 30 years yet Steve got us there twice and it would have been 3 years as when the NCAA was cancelled in the covid year we were ranked # 28 in the country. Steve is not perfect but he isn't the one making bad passes and missing shots. We don't have the large NIL monies that many other blue bloods do. I just wish some would think before posting such harmful comments that they post. Does that make you feel better? I don't see so many criticizing our football team yet our coach has never won a championship at any level, has yet to even once having a winning record still in a BIG Ten season. He never won in the BIG East or the AAC as well and he makes $ 10 million a year and has had two stadium expansions and this past season we were only 7-6 without playing any of the top 6 teams in the Big Ten this past fall. We had the easiest schedule of any team in the BIG and we still struggled. We fell apart against Kansas State after being ahead by 3 scores in the last 18 minutes. We also blew a game with 14 seconds to play on a 50 yard touchdown pass with only a couple guys back on defense but little is said about that. Some bragged when we defeated Miami in last years bowl game when they had 16 players not play in the game before the NFL draft. It was like without 16 starters we played against a Miami JV team. It was embarrassing.

You sound like Jerry Carino. Pike cheerleader and Schiano hater.