Let’s just focus on rutgers winning , that’s all that matters here
Alabama QB Bryce Young Has Earned Close to '7 Figures' in NIL Deals
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For sure we can agree that RU winning matters a lot to us. 🙂
I could nitpick about the use of the absolute "all" in the sentence, but I won't. 😉
1. It is possible to tax a non-profit institution on a profit making business without taxing everything.
2. Highly unlikely scholarships would be taxed, as they currently exempt. Would you tax financial aid to a STEM student who participated in projects that receive government grants?
I haven't really read or participated in any of these NIL threads....but on the whole with regards to the hierarchal landscape of college how much is really shifting.
When Alabama pays such and such player such and such money they're not competing with us they're competing with the LSUs, Auburns, Texas', OSUs etc.. of the world for players just like they are now.
I think more in focus would be who is in our tier on the landscape that would consistently pay a ton of money and attract better players say among the Syracuses, BCs, Marylands, Indianas, etc...of the world. There might be some in that tier but enough to materially shift our spot in the hierarchy on the landscape? I'm not so certain.
The other thing I'd say is something I've always pointed to and that is there's a limited number of spots to get on the field. So regardless of money spent playing time is still at a premium. So where's that intersection between amount of money to be willing to sit on the bench and this isn't enough money to keep me here I want chance to play etc....Also transferring between schools is easy now, how bout you get that payday from school one for a year or two and then say I'm going to school two where I actually have a chance to get on the field. I still think the avenues for getting players are still available.
So is there some shifting of the ground beneath the landscape...probably but is it as tectonic as it may seem on its face...not so sure about that yet.
When Alabama pays such and such player such and such money they're not competing with us they're competing with the LSUs, Auburns, Texas', OSUs etc.. of the world for players just like they are now.
I think more in focus would be who is in our tier on the landscape that would consistently pay a ton of money and attract better players say among the Syracuses, BCs, Marylands, Indianas, etc...of the world. There might be some in that tier but enough to materially shift our spot in the hierarchy on the landscape? I'm not so certain.
The other thing I'd say is something I've always pointed to and that is there's a limited number of spots to get on the field. So regardless of money spent playing time is still at a premium. So where's that intersection between amount of money to be willing to sit on the bench and this isn't enough money to keep me here I want chance to play etc....Also transferring between schools is easy now, how bout you get that payday from school one for a year or two and then say I'm going to school two where I actually have a chance to get on the field. I still think the avenues for getting players are still available.
So is there some shifting of the ground beneath the landscape...probably but is it as tectonic as it may seem on its face...not so sure about that yet.
Any school with an endowment over a billion dollars should have to underwrite loans instead of the government doing it.
I'll say again that P5 football and basketball should be carved out from a university. These are now professional sports programs filled with kids who don't want to do school. They are there for sport. The schools know this as they have to relax requirements to get many of these kids in. Let's put it above board and call it what it is.
It's marketing for a school and opportunity for these players to advance their sports careers. If they want to get a degree, apply to the school like every other student. If not, no problem. Good luck with your sports career.
Or those who can pay to play will use those who can't ante up as a farm system. That's the direction this will go. Need to plug a hole? You can get a ready made product on the free agent market, there's no cap and no rules just pay enough cash and he's all yours. They don't want every player, just your best ones.
Are you saying P5 schools should drop football and basketball and focus on academics?
Quite the opposite. I am saying they should consider it marketing and try to monetize it that way, or not. But the kids in those programs shouldn't be in school unless they want to and are capable of being real students who gain acceptance like anyone else. For those that don't want to do school, which will be many, just do sports like we see in other professional sports.
The whole schooling thing is what really throws this all out of whack.
The kids don't want to be in school for the most part and the schools don't want to have to educate these kids who othewise would never be there.
It's professional sport now. Make it professional.
I think the kids can get on board but schools will not let go of that cash cow.
Yea but that's a possibility even now...we had an OL go to OSU. Derek King left Houston to go to Miami. Transferring is easy now...even before these NIL rules so don't know that they make too much of difference in that respect. Reverse of that you had Shane Buechele leave Texas for SMU. Does that not happen with NIL stuff? I still think it would mostly. If they want to go to a higher profile program they can be plucked now too really...money might add a little more incentive but then also it depends on the player....big fish small pond little fish big pond...is the money enough to balance on that exposure risk etc...
Overall the dynamics are still largely the same I think as far as the big high status schools go...it's the ones who are our peers and could spend like crazy is what should be considered and are there enough of them to make a dent to knock us down meaningfully from our current place in the hierarchy.
Again still think that intersection between money and limited playing time/spots still has to be fleshed out....just how much does it take to be willing to sit on the bench or would you get your pay day for a year or two and then leave for better opportunity to play.
I think you're severely underestimating the power of the almighty dollar. Especially for kids and their families who have never possessed that type of money. Being offered $50k when you're only making $5k at a school will trump all other factors. Most people would put that $45K raise above most other factors as well.
MY fantasy is that the SEC and/or some other teams stop pretending they are college teams, and not the NFL's farm system, and just be a new pro league. The NCAA is vestigial and a joke. Everybody is in a cash dash, and nothing on upper levels LOOKS like cfb. Of course I know thats a fantasy but the contempt's for NFL is so high that it would be easier to pull the rug out
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Well I'm sure some of this stuff was going on under the table at these big schools beforehand but now it's out in the open but like I said it's the tier we're in that matters more than anything Alabama, Texas, OSU or anyone on that level does and spends.
It's the Indianas, Marylands, Syracuses, BCs, ....etc and are there enough of them to consistently pay up and meaningfully push us down from our current tier. Are those guys going to pony up consistently in the 10s or hundreds of thousands of dollars for an individual player?
Limited playing time is still premium and I think a big influence in recruiting and transferring. But like I said who says a player couldn't cash in on that money and still transfer a year or two later and kind of have his cake and eat it too.
You'll have to add a new category on your coaching carousel threads. Team Payroll. That could play a big role on where some of these coaches decide to go.
I get that but that’s the same too really because the haves were always the haves and more attractive jobs and the have nots were the have nots. The question would be which of the have nots turned into haves with the NIL and how many of them are there.
Should Rutgers have a fund from their B10 allocation that can be use to attract specific players Or players with financial needs for their families?
School itself can't be involved in the pay for play scam. Although I'm quite sure there's a bunch that will tip toe the line under fear of no penalty. It's basically unregulated, uncapped, free agency. Expect to see signing bonuses for recruits, but we won't call them signing bonuses, rather endorsement deals. That makes it legal.
Agree with this. Stop the charade at this point. Make school optional and have them actually meet criteria. If they don’t they can still play.
People, don't blame Geo or any of the athletics that aligned with him over the profit being made using their name, image and likeness.
If anyone is at fault, blame Emmett of the NCAA who ignored a problem that came out when
Ed O'Bannon sued the NCAA over the organization's use of the images and the likeness of its former student athletes for commercial purposes. The suit argues that upon graduation, a former student athlete should become entitled to financial compensation for NCAA's commercial uses of their image.
Anyone in Emmett's position should have had the foresight to take steps making sure current student/athletes couldn't do the same after O'Bannon filed his action in 2009
On August 8, 2014, it was ruled that the NCAA's long-held practice of barring payments to athletes violated antitrust laws.She ordered that schools should be allowed to offer full cost-of-attendance scholarships to athletes, covering cost-of-living expenses that were not currently part of NCAA scholarships. the judge also ruled that college be permitted to place as much as $5,000 into a trust for each athlete per year of eligibility
( The NCAA subsequently appealed the ruling. But the Supreme Court denied the NCAA's appeal.and the NCAA was also ordered to pay the plaintiffs $42.2 million in fees and costs. )
Anyone denying current college players the right to profit from businesses that try to profit off them, need to understand the college players of yesterday were taken advantage of for financial gain and said in 2009 enough is enough.
Today's players are making sure that aren't used and expect to be compensated by those who want to.
Don't blame the players, blame those that twist the rules so they get a competitive advantage and the coaches that go along with it.
the end of amaturism might be the way some see this NIL thing, I just see crooked people finding a way to legitimize cheating because the NCAA ignored a festering sore and didn't try to make sure it didn't get infected.by the cheaters that looked for ways to find loopholes in the NCAA rule-book.
Kudos to Geo and those aligned with him , in making sure they got compensated, kudos to Ed O'Bannon and his allies, for making sure the NCAA stopped profiting off their NIL ,after their college eligibility ended.
Boos to the Saban type coaches that go along with bending the rules and the boosters that find ways to circumvent honest competition in order to win at all cost by using their money to make players go to the schools they support.
If anyone is at fault, blame Emmett of the NCAA who ignored a problem that came out when
Ed O'Bannon sued the NCAA over the organization's use of the images and the likeness of its former student athletes for commercial purposes. The suit argues that upon graduation, a former student athlete should become entitled to financial compensation for NCAA's commercial uses of their image.
Anyone in Emmett's position should have had the foresight to take steps making sure current student/athletes couldn't do the same after O'Bannon filed his action in 2009
On August 8, 2014, it was ruled that the NCAA's long-held practice of barring payments to athletes violated antitrust laws.She ordered that schools should be allowed to offer full cost-of-attendance scholarships to athletes, covering cost-of-living expenses that were not currently part of NCAA scholarships. the judge also ruled that college be permitted to place as much as $5,000 into a trust for each athlete per year of eligibility
( The NCAA subsequently appealed the ruling. But the Supreme Court denied the NCAA's appeal.and the NCAA was also ordered to pay the plaintiffs $42.2 million in fees and costs. )
Anyone denying current college players the right to profit from businesses that try to profit off them, need to understand the college players of yesterday were taken advantage of for financial gain and said in 2009 enough is enough.
Today's players are making sure that aren't used and expect to be compensated by those who want to.
Don't blame the players, blame those that twist the rules so they get a competitive advantage and the coaches that go along with it.
the end of amaturism might be the way some see this NIL thing, I just see crooked people finding a way to legitimize cheating because the NCAA ignored a festering sore and didn't try to make sure it didn't get infected.by the cheaters that looked for ways to find loopholes in the NCAA rule-book.
Kudos to Geo and those aligned with him , in making sure they got compensated, kudos to Ed O'Bannon and his allies, for making sure the NCAA stopped profiting off their NIL ,after their college eligibility ended.
Boos to the Saban type coaches that go along with bending the rules and the boosters that find ways to circumvent honest competition in order to win at all cost by using their money to make players go to the schools they support.
I wonder if we see a schism between the high money players and the grunts that block for them.
I wonder what high money players would be crazy enough to risk injury playing in bowl games or meaningless late season games - or practice for that matter.
It will be interesting to see how college sports changes. I'm not hopeful.
That requires a lot of forward thinking from a marketing department that has shown none to date.
If you've got a couple of million socked away already you might actually be more likely to play in a bowl game. More endorsement dollars. And you can afford to buy an insurance policy, though I think Loyds is having some problems these days.
Hey those schools all love socialism. Take the foundation money from the rich schools and share with the poor schools. I mean that's cool, right? LOL
You can father a lot of kids out of wedlock on that kind of scratch.That's no chump change.
Nick Saban reveals Alabama QB Bryce Young has earned 'ungodly numbers' in income from NIL deals
Young figures to be one of college football's biggest stars in 2021www.cbssports.com
