APP article: RU losing battles on field and in living rooms...

[devoted2ru]

www.app.com/story/sports/college/rutgers/2015/11/10/rutgers-losing-battles-field-and-living-rooms/75515088/

Whether you agree 100% with what the writer said or not, it has to make you wonder just how rough a road this staff is hitting when it's trying to gain traction on the recruiting trial.

 

[ru1869]

All the more reason why a change has to be made NOW!!!!

We need a top coach and fast!!!

 

[chrisru99]

All the more reason why a change has to be made NOW!!!!

We need a top coach and fast!!!

You do realize no one wants to spend for a top coach right? A top coach requires money that we supposedly do not have. Big Donors? No we don't have those donations from fans and alumni? No we are the cheapest fan base in the country. Don't believe me the info is out there we are last in giving back and in raising funds. If you agreed with it or not last weeks go fund effort was 8G in two days. We did well BUT so many were unwilling to give or gave excuses not to give. That's telling IMO we are simply not passionate enough to get it done.

 

[RU1977]

It'll change as they win out and go to a bowl game and win that.... Finish at 7-6....

 

[RUskoolie]

This is common sense to anyone who has followed our recruiting for 3 years. We are already setback about 3-4 years as a program due to poor recruiting. The current 7 point offense you watch every week is basically every starter next year minus Lumpkin (who will be replaced with a lightly recruited player).

 

[MoobyCow]

This is common sense to anyone who has followed our recruiting for 3 years. We are already setback about 3-4 years as a program due to poor recruiting. The current 7 point offense you watch every week is basically every starter next year minus Lumpkin (who will be replaced with a lightly recruited player).

Oh come on, next year they'll be a year older and twice as good... so a 14 point offense.

 

[ClassOf02]

"Temple’s not worried about Rutgers anymore"

**sigh**

 

[MS-RU]

Flood is a dead man walking and knowing our horrendous leadership, they will keep him around for another year or two just to see how bad it could actually get to save a few dollars. RU needs to make everything hits rock bottom before taking any action, being proactive never even crosses their minds.

 

[newell138]

It'll change as they win out and go to a bowl game and win that.... Finish at 7-6....

LOL!!!

 

[lighty]

"It'll change as they win out and go to a bowl game and win that.... Finish at 7-6...."

and that's exactly the type of thinking that has gotten Rutgers where it is today. We've gone to a lot of bowl games in recent years, looks like it hasn't really helped the situation. The coach is the problem. He does NOT excite people. Players may "love" him, but players generally love their coach until they're no longer playing for him...

If RU wants to compete, they need to make a move.

 

[Knight Shift]

Edelson is a wet blanket douche who never has anything nice to say about Rutgers.

 

[rutgersdave]

Flood is a dead man walking and knowing our horrendous leadership, they will keep him around for another year or two just to see how bad it could actually get to save a few dollars. RU needs to make everything hits rock bottom before taking any action, being proactive never even crosses their minds.

Why don't some of you realize that there is no saving a few dollar? After this season, Flood will cost Rutgers more money with lose of attendance revenue. The latest he is here is next year.

 

[RUich]

I would really love to be a fly on the wall when this team watches the tape from their last games. What the hell happens when a guy is really shown up? Is there a yelling session? Group hugs? What?
When I watch opposing coaches, I see a lot more than what Flood gives.
Flood shows little to no reaction or, for that matter, passion when something bad happens (which is becoming a lot more frequent) other than to clap his hands and urge them on. This is pretty much what I would expect at a Pop Warner league with their over sized pads and helmets followed by the participation awards.

 

[RickDaglessMD]

Wait, you mean poaching recruits from Georgetown isn't the way to build a Big 10 (or AAC for that matter) caliber football team? I thought every kid we got was a diamond in the rough?

 

[RUsSKii]

It'll change as they win out and go to a bowl game and win that.... Finish at 7-6....

That is a very highly unlikely scenario, given this team's performance so far this season. And even if that somehow did occur, a 7-6 record with wins over losing teams and mostly blowout losses to winning teams will not change many fans' or recruits' views on coach Flood's inability to lead us to B1G football success.. It could just be used as justification to cheaply but short-shortsightedly keep him for one more season, seeing as Rutgers doesn't like to fire "winning" coaches..

 

[RU-05]

I'm all in on canning Flood after this year.

But if we beat Nebraska, then win out, including the bowl game? That would be a lot of fun. Any "RU Fan" still belly aching at that point.......

 

[ru1869]

You do realize no one wants to spend for a top coach right? A top coach requires money that we supposedly do not have. Big Donors? No we don't have those donations from fans and alumni? No we are the cheapest fan base in the country. Don't believe me the info is out there we are last in giving back and in raising funds. If you agreed with it or not last weeks go fund effort was 8G in two days. We did well BUT so many were unwilling to give or gave excuses not to give. That's telling IMO we are simply not passionate enough to get it done.

They will have to find the money somewhere. Or else they will lose even more money. There will be maybe 30,000 people in a 52,000 seat stadium next year.

 

[RURM85]

I don't like Edelson for his anti-Rutgers views and have called him a hack in the past.

That being said, this article is more on point than off. I don't believe Flood was selling football performance, tradition, facilities to the high school kids prior to this season. He's selling molding a young adult into an outstanding and successful man, on the field and off the field, including excellent academics, tight knit team and program support, high morals/ethics and all that goes into growing a college athlete into a successful person, whether the athlete goes on to play in the NFL or not.

Not that he was killing it on the recruiting trail prior to this season, however, his recruiting vision and message is clearly and severely damaged by the events of this season, even without the competition using negative recruiting against him.

I blame some of this on the Administration, as they should have either fired him or given him a warning and let him off for breaking a Rutgers policy, instead of a 3 game suspension in the middle of the season. But that is a completely different topic for another thread.

 

[JoeRU0304]

"Temple’s not worried about Rutgers anymore"

**sigh**

The Temple comment is a bit disenginous due to the conference situation; there's no denying they're a great team this year and that the AAC is strong this year, but these aspects are often fleeting. We were a 'great' team in 2006 and it didn't exactly lead to a landslide of recruits. The Big East was also a very strong conference in 2006 and 7 years later it didn't exist anymore. UCF was 12-1 and won the Fiesta Bowl 2 years ago and everyone (including myself) was ready to annoit them the next big power in Florida. They won a share of the AAC again in 2014 and took NC State down to the wire in their bowl game. This year they're 0-10, their coach/AD retired, and NO ONE is talking about them.


Joe P.

 

[ruman]

Edelson is a wet blanket douche who never has anything nice to say about Rutgers.

Ok, but what in this article is wrong

 

[RURM85]

The Temple comment is a bit disenginous due to the conference situation; there's no denying they're a great team this year and that the AAC is strong this year, but these aspects are often fleeting. We were a 'great' team in 2006 and it didn't exactly lead to a landslide of recruits. The Big East was also a very strong conference in 2006 and 7 years later it didn't exist anymore. UCF was 12-1 and won the Fiesta Bowl 2 years ago and everyone (including myself) was ready to annoit them the next big power in Florida. They won a share of the AAC again in 2014 and took NC State down to the wire in their bowl game. This year they're 0-10, their coach/AD retired, and NO ONE is talking about them.


Joe P.

Completely agree and don't believe that Edelson should have used Temple as an example to get his point across about other programs bringing up the current mess when recruiting against Rutgers. Temple at best is a short term threat, certainly not a long term threat

 

[B0ski]

Edelson is a wet blanket douche who never has anything nice to say about Rutgers.

Lol he may not be nice but it is the absolute truth. And sometimes the truth hurts.

 

[vkj91]

"Temple’s not worried about Rutgers anymore"

**sigh**

I didn't bother to read the article after seeing that line. So stupid.......

 

[Kbee3]

I didn't bother to read the article after seeing that line. So stupid.......

Same here.

 

[RobertG]

Go and look at Temple's commitment list, he there is not one commitment in the 2016 class which rivals reports an offer from Rutgers.

In fact looking at their list I would not even consider Rhule as a coach. Most of the commits only had offers from FCS schools.

 

[vkj91]

Go and look at Temple's commitment list, he there is not one commitment in the 2016 class which rivals reports an offer from Rutgers.

In fact looking at their list I would not even consider Rhule as a coach. Most of the commits only had offers from FCS schools.

well that's short sighted as well. Nobody on BG, Toledo, NIU, etc etc has an RU or many P5 offers either. I'm not a Rhule guy but people here who have had recruiting contact with his say he's very good. You have to compare apples to apples....

 

[CNJKnight]

Sorry-anyone looking to go to the AAC or below is not interested in competing against top quality opponents and I don't want them. Don't tell me because of Houston or Memphis or Temple are having a good year its top quality. Those three teams (besides Memphis' win over Ole Miss who was a mess that day) could come in and take over the B1G. Those teams are level with Purdue and Illinois. Not top tier. And all three will lose their coach in the next year. THen will have to start over again.

 

[RU31trap]

Not only is Nebraska going to beat us but I envision the loss being on par with OSU & Michigan. You do realize that they lost six games by a total of 23pts. This Nebraska team is truly 3 or 4 players away from being a NC caliber team. Their recruiting class is not bad and are on the cusp of landing the number 1 LB in the country. They beat us and upset Iowa in their last game they have a real shot at this kid from California. I guess what I'm trying to say is that Nebraska is playing for something real and not some silly bowl game. There lies the difference between a University that wants a B10 Championship (maybe a shot at a NC) and a school that's content with capturing lightening in a bottle every 10 or 20 years. I'm just trying to be realistic.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

we are the cheapest fan base in the country. Don't believe me the info is out there we are last in giving back and in raising funds.

Are you using stats about all giving by Rutgers sounds for all purposes or just a athletic giving?

While it took Stanford only 1 year to raise a billion dollars, Rutgers did it in 7.. Not that bad. Now when you think of ticket prices, parking pass prices... Rutgers fans are hardly cheap. What I think we lack is the local media support and local corporation support that goes along with that... Wanting to cash in on being associated with the local team. Corporations can "support" the pro teams with sponsorships and ad sales to get the same benefit that other colleges can offer in way of marketing themselves.

 

[RUskoolie]

The moment Rhule gets a job at a legit program he will do very well recruiting (he always has based on Temple standards). Kids want to play for him and his staff is really great. They don't want to be at Temple though if they have better offers. He would do verrrrry well at RU IMO.

 

[Knightmoves]

"Schiano had a smidgen of success, which for Rutgers fans was a huge success, because of how horrible the program was before his arrival"

Agree with this. We need to aim high in the next coaching hire or accept that we will be doormats for the foreseeable future in the B1G. I believe that this challenge we face is too big for Greg Part 2.

We need a dynamic young coach who is a leader and that top players will follow to RU. A tall order ? Yes, but the alternative is to be perennial losers in the conference.

 

[S.B. Crumb]

 

[MS-RU]

Why don't some of you realize that there is no saving a few dollar? After this season, Flood will cost Rutgers more money with lose of attendance revenue. The latest he is here is next year.

Oh, trust me when I say you are preaching to the choir here. I was speaking from the administration's point of view since they have no idea the world will exist past the immediate/short term.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Nothing new here guys: he's been on the "losing end" of more recruiting "battles" than now, from Day 1, many here just refused to see it!

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

The article was spot on and just another great reason to FIRE FLOOD!

 

[RU#1fan]

This is common sense to anyone who has followed our recruiting for 3 years. We are already setback about 3-4 years as a program due to poor recruiting. The current 7 point offense you watch every week is basically every starter next year minus Lumpkin (who will be replaced with a lightly recruited player).

Our recruiting has eroded rapidly each year since the day Flood was hired.
No Top 10 NJ recruits for 4 straight years now.
The damage has been done and believe or not, next season will actually be worse for RU on the field.
Fire Elmer Fuddrutgers NOW !!!!

 

[RU#1fan]

Go and look at Temple's commitment list, he there is not one commitment in the 2016 class which rivals reports an offer from Rutgers.

In fact looking at their list I would not even consider Rhule as a coach. Most of the commits only had offers from FCS schools.

You are full of shat. There are least 6 players on the current Temple 2 Deep Roster that turned down an RU Elmer Fudd offer and decided to commit to Temple.

 

[RobertG]

well that's short sighted as well. Nobody on BG, Toledo, NIU, etc etc has an RU or many P5 offers either. I'm not a Rhule guy but people here who have had recruiting contact with his say he's very good. You have to compare apples to apples....

Looking for Rutgers' offers was in reference to the APP column which stated that Temple doesn't care about RU.

As for Temple's current batch of recruits they are not beating out other non P5 FBC teams for recruits

Relooked at the 2016 commitment list for Temple. 5 out of 13 had FBS offers. He did beat out Duke, Cuse and Pitt for some of these guys. The remaining 8 did not have an FBS offer as reported by rivals.

 

[RobertG]

You are full of shat. There are least 6 players on the current Temple 2 Deep Roster that turned down an RU Elmer Fudd offer and decided to commit to Temple.

I was looking at Temple's current commitment list. Not the roster.

 

[brgossRU90]

Recruiting alone is reason enough to Fire fludd. Without at least decent recruiting you have no future and fludd can't recruit. 4 years, especially given all the advantages, is enough time to see that.