APP article: RU losing battles on field and in living rooms...

[RobertG]

Temple is having a great year and RU is having a very bad year, if RU were to play Temple this year the straight up money would be on Temple no question. But, the future favors RU over Temple for one reason and that's money.

Temple is limited by the AAC and playing behind, Penn State and Pitt in Penn. RU is in the B1G looking at revenue multiple times greater than Temple. Temple can continue to have success in the AAC and I hope they do. It's just limited by the position of the P5 vs the other conferences.

 

[malenko]

Temple is having a great year and RU is having a very bad year, if RU were to play Temple this year the straight up money would be on Temple no question. But, the future favors RU over Temple for one reason and that's money.

Temple is limited by the AAC and playing behind, Penn State and Pitt in Penn. RU is in the B1G looking at revenue multiple times greater than Temple. Temple can continue to have success in the AAC and I hope they do. It's just limited by the position of the P5 vs the other conferences.

Rutgers will now always be in a great financial position and in the P5. That is great news. However, how much fun will it really be as fans watching your team get blasted by Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and even Michigan State every year? Even Maryland (with the backing of Under Armour) appears to have a better shot at being competitive with those teams than Rutgers does.

 

[lighty]

How great is Flood? So great that Temple fans are now ragging on RU football.

Sad time in RU history...

 

[RobertG]

Rutgers will now always be in a great financial position and in the P5. That is great news. However, how much fun will it really be as fans watching your team get blasted by Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and even Michigan State every year? Even Maryland (with the backing of Under Armour) appears to have a better shot at being competitive with those teams than Rutgers does.

It's going to be a lot of fun, because with the money coming in from the B1G RU can afford coaches, and amenities that attract top recruits. With money, coaching, recruits and fan support at RU, RU will not always get blasted.

 

[RU31trap]

Rutgers will now always be in a great financial position and in the P5. That is great news. However, how much fun will it really be as fans watching your team get blasted by Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and even Michigan State every year? Even Maryland (with the backing of Under Armour) appears to have a better shot at being competitive with those teams than Rutgers does.

I applaud Temple for having an outstanding season. I too was rooting for you you guys to beat Notre Dame. You have a very good head coach and I hope he stays. You never know a few good seasons and you may very well get into the ACC. My concern for Rutgers is the administration. Will they ever allow this football program to truly become relevant in the Big Ten?

 

[BeantownKnight]

How much will Flood be making next year? $1M (or thereabouts)? Well, we're about half-way there from landing a middle-level (or above) coach for that money. Flood's contract has him transitioning to a higher base pay with each year, anyway. Thus, this should be getting Julie and the university better prepared to fork out a bit more for a higher quality coach who will demand more than just $1M.

 

[RobertG]

I applaud Temple for having an outstanding season. I too was rooting for you you guys to beat Notre Dame. You have a very good head coach and I hope he stays. You never know a few good seasons and you may very well get into the ACC. My concern for Rutgers is the administration. Will they ever allow this football program to truly become relevant in the Big Ten?

Trap,

I believe that the administration realizes the potential of RU athletics in the B1G but they are living under a massive deficit that they want reigned in for political as well as financial reasons. I think we just have to be patient.

 

[brgossRU90]

One good season and temple fans are full if themselves. Ask UCF how quickly it can fall apart...

 

[JHG722]

It's going to be a lot of fun, because with the money coming in from the B1G RU can afford coaches, and amenities that attract top recruits. With money, coaching, recruits and fan support at RU, RU will not always get blasted.

You have a toxic administration, and are years away from serious money. Not to mention money doesn't guarantee Rutgers succeeding. Just because you're in NJ doesn't mean you won't be a B1G doormat for years to come. If that's better than competing for NY6 Bowl Games, competing for and winning conference championships, albeit with less money, that's your prerogative.

 

[RobertG]

You have a toxic administration, and are years away from serious money. Not to mention money doesn't guarantee Rutgers succeeding. Just because you're in NJ doesn't mean you won't be a B1G doormat for years to come. If that's better than competing for NY6 Bowl Games, competing for and winning conference championships, albeit with less money, that's your prerogative.

Let me ask you this: Would you rather be in the AAC or the B1G. If the B1G asked Temple to join would you advise the University to turn it down? Would you rather host USF or Nebraska? UConn or Michigan State? UCF or Maryland? East Carolina or Indiana?

 

[JoeRU0304]

One good season and temple fans are full if themselves. Ask UCF how quickly it can fall apart...

...this. "Compete for conference championships"??? At this point it's literately ONE YEAR...gotta love when people extrapolate one data sample into long-term trends. We were guilty of it in 2006 and they're guilty of it now.

...it's never going to be you until its you. If you told me in 2010 we'd be on the B1G in 4 years I woulda laughed. If I told a UCF fan in January 2014 that your team will lose at least 11 games in a row within the next 2 years, they woulda berated me.


Joe P.

 

[CNJKnight]

The last time Rutgers won an NCAA tournament game there was no three-point line

The last time Temple was relevant was when Bill Cosby was throwing down roofies in models drinks in his Temple shirt.

 

[JHG722]

Let me ask you this: Would you rather be in the AAC or the B1G. If the B1G asked Temple to join would you advise the University to turn it down? Would you rather host USF or Nebraska? UConn or Michigan State? UCF or Maryland? East Carolina or Indiana?

I personally would rather be in the ACC, and I believe we can compete in the ACC. I don't think your ceiling is better than 5th or 6th in the B1G. You will never compete for B1G championships short of like once every 30 years.

I guess my question to you is would you rather compete for NY6 bowls and make less money or make a lot more money to get trounced in the B1G, and finish 5th in your division nearly every year, and almost never make a bowl game. If you honestly say you'd rather be Purdue or Indiana than Boise, I don't believe you.

 

[Xmas4President]

Rutgers sold out so that their basketball and football programs can get tons of money tossed at them to be the doormat of a conference. The admins in the athletic department will reap big salaries and the fans will suffer for a very long time.

Does anyone actually think in a conference with MSU, OSU, PSU and Michigan that Rutgers has a chance in hell of winning that division?

Rich in the Big Ten and win nothing but the pinstripe bowl or Poor in the AAC but actually see your team have a chance to play in a meaningful NY6 game.

Which one do you guys like?

 

[MoobyCow]

I personally would rather be in the ACC, and I believe we can compete in the ACC. I don't think your ceiling is better than 5th or 6th in the B1G. You will never compete for B1G championships short of like once every 30 years.

I guess my question to you is would you rather compete for NY6 bowls and make less money or make a lot more money to get trounced in the B1G, and finish 5th in your division nearly every year, and almost never make a bowl game. If you honestly say you'd rather be Purdue or Indiana than Boise, I don't believe you.

Well we're not shooting to be Purdue, and the chances of being Boise in the AAC are about as good as our chances of being MSU or Wisc in the Big Ten so that is a false choice. I would assume the ceiling for how good a football team we can be is actually higher in the Big Ten, or at least the same. Given that, even if that same level leaves us with a couple less wins, I'd rather be in the Big Ten. The Schiano level teams would have regularly been 4th or so in our division and made a bowl every year. A better bowl than a similar team in the AAC.

We also get:. More fun home games. The years of having 1 good opponent come in each year got old. On good years you might get 2 or 3. Now that is the minimum. Also, the downside of bad years or bad coaches in the AAC is program Armageddon, a total collapse of support and infrastructure. In the Big Ten, we'll still get paid.

 

[MADHAT1]

I personally would rather be in the ACC, and I believe we can compete in the ACC. I don't think your ceiling is better than 5th or 6th in the B1G. You will never compete for B1G championships short of like once every 30 years.

I guess my question to you is would you rather compete for NY6 bowls and make less money or make a lot more money to get trounced in the B1G, and finish 5th in your division nearly every year, and almost never make a bowl game. If you honestly say you'd rather be Purdue or Indiana than Boise, I don't believe you.

Actually with a sports friendly President willing to put bucks in the FB program, RU has a great chance to be competitive when playing the better B1G programs.
Once that starts happening there will be bandwagon fans hopping on and if some of them are heavy hitters in the donation department ,the RU FB program could be one of the programs other programs want to be like.

For now: Rutgers can only hope to be a constant middle of the pack BIG team with
the possibility of being on top occasionally.
But wanting to play the best, is better than thinking your school needs to play in an easier conference because you feel it will never be good enough to keep up with the best.
Rutgers has a chance ( in future) to keep up with the best, while Temple probably has far less of a chance ( in future) to do that and the ACC might be the best place for the Owls if their fans start filling the stands during home games and Temple FB continues to win and the basketball owls remain a good program.

 

[JHG722]

Well we're not shooting to be Purdue, and the chances of being Boise in the AAC are about as good as our chances of being MSU or Wisc in the Big Ten so that is a false choice. I would assume the ceiling for how good a football team we can be is actually higher in the Big Ten, or at least the same. Given that, even if that same level leaves us with a couple less wins, I'd rather be in the Big Ten. The Schiano level teams would have regularly been 4th or so in our division and made a bowl every year. A better bowl than a similar team in the AAC.

We also get:. More fun home games. The years of having 1 good opponent come in each year got old. On good years you might get 2 or 3. Now that is the minimum. Also, the downside of bad years or bad coaches in the AAC is program Armageddon, a total collapse of support and infrastructure. In the Big Ten, we'll still get paid.

Of course you're not shooting to be Purdue, but what do you honestly believe your ceiling is? Northwestern? Iowa?
I think you are much more likely to be Boise in the AAC than MSU, Wisconsin, or Penn State in the B1G, but if you disagree, that's fine. The problem is that while your recruiting will be amplified playing in the B1G, so will every other program's, but they have a huge head start on you. You are not regularly going to out-recruit the top B1G programs, so in order to beat programs with much more talent, you're going to have to rely on coaching, which hasn't exactly been a strength of Rutgers football.

Again, fun home games against name opponents are awesome, but it's pretty meaningless as a bragging point when you lose by 18, 25, 33, 37, 38, 39, 42, 42 to said teams. To me, that doesn't sound like much fun.

 

[JHG722]

Actually with a sports friendly President willing to put bucks in the FB program, RU has a great chance to be competitive when playing the better B1G programs.
Once that starts happening there will be bandwagon fans hopping on and if some of them are heavy hitters in the donation department ,the RU FB program could be one of the programs other programs want to be like.

For now: Rutgers can only hope to be a constant middle of the pack BIG team with
the possibility of being on top occasionally.
But wanting to play the best, is better than thinking your school needs to play in an easier conference because you feel it will never be good enough to keep up with the best.
Rutgers has a chance ( in future) to keep up with the best, while Temple probably has far less of a chance ( in future) to do that and the ACC might be the best place for the Owls if their fans start filling the stands during home games and Temple FB continues to win and the basketball owls remain a good program.

That's all well and good, but I'll believe that when I see it, because anyone looking from the outside in sees how toxic Rutgers is right now. Yes, things can definitely get better, but they certainly can stay the same or get worse.

Hoping to be middle of the pack sounds pretty sad to be honest. I'm not sure what the frequency of 'occasionally being on top' entails.

I don't fault Rutgers for wanting to be in the B1G, and wanting to play the best. I certainly would want the same for Temple, but I know our limitations, and feel that we would be more successful and better suited for the ACC. I would think the same is true for Rutgers. Of course we have less of a chance, because we do not have the same opportunity, but given the opportunity to join the ACC, I think it's more likely we are successful there than Rutgers is in the B1G.

 

[CNJKnight]

We are unfortunately waiting for a pay day that is 6-7 years down the road so we can pay a good coach the money he deserves. I think if that were to happen, I could see us being a Top 25 program. Right now, it's not happening. But with the talent around us, all it takes is one pied piper coach to reel the kids in.

Lets say someone in the top tier of coaching was looking to do a rebuild somewhere. Why wouldn't you look here? Barchi gone in 2016, with that new the new president will probably not re-new Hermann and a new cycle has started. Donors want back in, handle the biz until the B1G money rolls in, and then the Top 5-10 NJ kids WANT to stay home along with the Top 20 NJ kids who already do.

That's what we inspire to be. It's not happening right now though. But the upside/ceiling is high.

 

[Kbee3]

Rutgers sold out so that their basketball and football programs can get tons of money tossed at them to be the doormat of a conference. The admins in the athletic department will reap big salaries and the fans will suffer for a very long time.

Does anyone actually think in a conference with MSU, OSU, PSU and Michigan that Rutgers has a chance in hell of winning that division?

Rich in the Big Ten and win nothing but the pinstripe bowl or Poor in the AAC but actually see your team have a chance to play in a meaningful NY6 game.

Which one do you guys like?

Wow !
You joined on Jan. 23rd, 2008 and finally decided to make THIS your first post ?
Now, to answer your question.....I'd rather be in the Big Ten. For any real fan of college football there is no comparison between the two. And there is no AAC school that would turn down an offer to move up to one of the Big-Boy conferences. Well, maybe Navy.
Yeah, it's a little rough right now....moving up to a tougher league and having to play the likes of Ohio State, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Nebraska on a regular basis. But nobody thought this was gonna be easy. And who thought we would be able to compete with the powers in this conference right away?
But it sure is a lot better neighborhood than where we came from.
There's also every reason for true Rutgers fans like you to be upset with the losing and questioning how competitive we're gonna be in the Big Ten. Who knows what things are gonna be like in five or six years? Perhaps coach Flood will have this thing straightened out and we'll be winning lots of recruiting battles and lots of games and fighting for league titles on a regular basis. Or perhaps we'll consistently be battling Purdue and Indiana and Illinois and Maryland for the basement in our league. Whatever happens, there's no reason to wish we were back in the AAC getting ready for our big matchup with Tulane or UConn.
Thankfully those days are gone. I wouldn't worry so much about the future. We should be fine.

 

[JoeRU0304]

I see 'Rutgers will never...' by a number of Temple fans, which makes me laugh since apparently you're ignorant to your own history when you were written off for dead a few times. It wasn't that long ago that you were getting your heads kicked in by mid-level MAC schools in front of 5k people...Time will play all things out.


Joe P.

 

[MoobyCow]

Of course you're not shooting to be Purdue, but what do you honestly believe your ceiling is? Northwestern? Iowa?
I think you are much more likely to be Boise in the AAC than MSU, Wisconsin, or Penn State in the B1G, but if you disagree, that's fine. The problem is that while your recruiting will be amplified playing in the B1G, so will every other program's, but they have a huge head start on you. You are not regularly going to out-recruit the top B1G programs, so in order to beat programs with much more talent, you're going to have to rely on coaching, which hasn't exactly been a strength of Rutgers football.

Again, fun home games against name opponents are awesome, but it's pretty meaningless as a bragging point when you lose by 18, 25, 33, 37, 38, 39, 42, 42 to said teams. To me, that doesn't sound like much fun.

What you're missing here is that Flood lost by the same margins in the AAC, that was even less fun. The guy stinks as a coach, and taking the results under him as some sort of baseline is ridiculous. We had year end computer rankings that were routinely in the 30s not long ago, so I don't see why that is unreasonable as an expectation.

We don't need to be at the top of the conference to be competitive and have a fun, exciting program. We just need to not suck. Not sucking should be as easy in the Big Ten as in the AAC.

As for ceiling... that's a loaded question. The ceiling for RU is sky high, we do have a great location, we do have a good conference. What would you have said the ceiling for Baylor was 5 years ago? TCU? What would someone have told you the ceiling for Temple was if you asked a decade ago? The ceiling for any program is dependent upon the coach. Make the right hire and all of a sudden the ceiling looks much higher.

Now the likelihood of that at RU? Pretty damn small. The likelihood of being able to replicate Schiano level teams seems pretty good though, and that would routinely get us pretty nice bowl games in the Big Ten and pretty fun seasons.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

You gotta be on drugs (and not good ones) to think being a great team in the AAC, every 10 years, is even remotely close to being in the B1G. Put the needle down, son, it ain't doing you any good.

 

[Kbee3]

I see 'Rutgers will never...' by a number of Temple fans, which makes me laugh since apparently you're ignorant to your own history when you were written off for dead a few times. It wasn't that long ago that you were getting your heads kicked in by mid-level MAC schools...Time will play all things out.


Joe P.

The funniest part is these Temple posters that come over to our board and talk about "being ready for the ACC" when they haven't even completed their first winning season since 2011....and are only two years removed from being 2-10. I've been impressed with their play this year, but I wanna see what happens when they have to replace Bortles.

 

[rutgersfan7]

Temples Records
2010 8-4 (MAC)
2011 9-4 (MAC)
2012 4-7
2013 2-10
2014 6-6
2015 8-1

So one good year in a non p5 conference makes you the next Boise.... Good thing is we will get to see in 2021 on the field

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Let's see what happens when they lose 6 starters on either side next year who have started, IIRC, a TON of games together (especially on D). Walker back is nice, yes, but I can see 7-5 starring them in the face in 2016.

 

[BuggsyRU]

Remember that time when Game Day came to Rutgers? The Birthplace of College Football? The media darling of the Big Ten? The college football team of New York City? Yeah that was awesome.

Remember the time that TU was ranked in the top 10?

Remember the time that Temple had enough of their own fans to sell out a stadium and not rely on the other team bringing tens of thousands in order to do so?

Yes we are the college team of NYC...and you guys aren't even the college football team of Philadelphia (PU fans outnumber you 3-1), and you're the only D1A team playing there.

In other words, just stop embarrassing yourself on our board.

 

[BuggsyRU]

As a Temple fan, our football season is going great and basketball starting tonight makes it even sweeter.

As a Rutgers fan you get to remedy that dumpster fire football program with...Rutgers basketball LMFAO

And as a Temple fan, You will watch your coach get the hell out of Philly the second he is wanted by a REAL college football program. and we will say we saw it coming.

Still remember when we had more fans at your stadium for the RU-Tmple game then there were Temple fans.

Temple is a mirage. Nothing more.

 

[BuggsyRU]

Could you guys do something about that dumpster fire raging on the Raritan?? The stink is starting to waft south.,.
But hey good news!! Its almost basketball season!!

Sure, we''ll move the dumpster fire to the Linc during a Temple game NOT played against ND or PSU or Rutgers, where the opposing team OWNS your stadium. All the other games are 3/4 empty.

 

[JoeRU0304]

Let's see what happens when they lose 6 starters on either side next year who have started, IIRC, a TON of games together (especially on D). Walker back is nice, yes, but I can see 7-5 starring them in the face in 2016.

I think they're definitely at least a bowl team next year (but nowhere near this year's squad), but 2017 may get interesting in a dicey way for them.


Joe P.

 

[BuggsyRU]

I personally would rather be in the ACC, and I believe we can compete in the ACC. I don't think your ceiling is better than 5th or 6th in the B1G. You will never compete for B1G championships short of like once every 30 years.

I guess my question to you is would you rather compete for NY6 bowls and make less money or make a lot more money to get trounced in the B1G, and finish 5th in your division nearly every year, and almost never make a bowl game. If you honestly say you'd rather be Purdue or Indiana than Boise, I don't believe you.

As a Rutgers fan, I would rather compete in the conference where people actually CARE about their football teams....and every home game for us in the Big Ten is like your home game was against PSU or ND.

Deep down, I know you would too. Don't lie.

 

[brgossRU90]

As was stated above, Fludd has been such a disaster for the program we actually have to hear TEMPLE fans give us sh*t. What more does anyone need?????????

 

[JHG722]

As a Rutgers fan, I would rather compete in the conference where people actually CARE about their football teams....and every home game for us in the Big Ten is like your home game was against PSU or ND.

Deep down, I know you would too. Don't lie.

If we were getting our asses kicked by 30+ multiple times by the better teams in the conference, no, I would not.

 

[BuggsyRU]

If we were getting our asses kicked by 30+ multiple times by the better teams in the conference, no, I would not.

Come on....We're in year two of the Big Ten, and we want our coach fired so we can compete.

One year ago, you would have lost to these same teams (OSU, MSU Wisconsin) by 30+ as well, and now look where you are?

If you are saying you would rather be in the AAC so you don't have to face the very best teams in the country....rather than play against our schedule, then I think you are either not a fan of big time football, or you are flat out lying.

 

[RUforlife]

A pissing match with Temple fans, we have come a long way baby. UGH!!