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The area you site in that link is not a tailgating area. That is off campus housing where students have house parties. Good friend of mine lived in that area while attending OSU law school. Parties are not much different than what you would encounter at college avenue. Only real difference is that the horse shoe is closer in proximity.
Thanks for clarifying. I wasn't sure as I've never made a trip out there. I think the proximity thing is the real issue here. Other students are much closer to their stadiums. We're out of luck though with the set-up. So it almost necessitates the school at least set aside an area that is for students, since donors have made it clear they don't want us in the lots with them.
You have to remove the fan in you with these types of things. Sure, there is a portion of people like me, like you, who go to the game because we want to root for the team and see them do well. Unfortunately, we are not like the majority of the people, who use it for a good time. So what should we do? Yell at them and argue with old timers until they root for the team like we do? No; let them have their game day experience, they'll eventually fall in love with the team because how could they not.
I apologize if i was unclear before, but what I'm saying is any lack of game day experience is hurting this university EVERY week it isn't in place. It doesn't have to be the Alley, it just has to be something. You're not going to mold longtime fans and culture by making kids tailgate in backyards at their shitty new brunswick houses.
I am sorry I upset you and asked you to defend your comments. I figured they still required that at Rutgers and you could easily do that.
Heard from a student at a college in Washington DC that coke is the choice of today's generation. Did not realize weed was legal in DC. According to this student, there is now fun or wow factor since weed is legal.
We agree more than disagree.
The issue as usual revolves around alcohol. The school realized they can't have their name attached to what was going on. Very simple and prudent. I doubt you'll find them doing it again. And I'll tell you something else, the underage thing was probably a huge consideration. No way any organization can be seen turning a blind eye to that.
Back in prehistoric times I went to a college that was dry. Lots of Mormons in positions of power. Not that there's an issue with that in particular but their feeling on alcohol are well known. Even the frat houses were not allowed to have booze on their property. We made it work by renting places to party. No one bothered us nor us them. Of course we're not talking about thousands at one location.
He is talking about the Livingston Dining Hall, which my son also states is by far the best. That was an answer to a posted question.
Having the students all in one place would be cool and all but can't the students organize themselves? I mean, cmon. The Arab spring started when a guy lit himself on fire next to a food cart and someone tweeted it. Let's see some leadership............
Me and 4 buddies would buy a parking pass in scarlet, yellow, or blue and invite people. We set up early. Carved out decent space. Talked/met to our tailgating neighbors. We would get up to 30 people and have a great time. We got rowdy. Guess what we never had a problem.
The alley was great. You are lucky you had people do everything for you. It really does suck that it was so successful that it had to be closed. But you know what? It really is on you. You guys don't like to plan things. Heck, my recent grad friends or friends groups still hate planning. But if two or three people shoulder the responsibility, EVERYBODY ELSE HOPS ON BOARD. This is how life works.
You're biting off your nose to spite your face. You would have just as much fun tailgating with 20 friends (or almost as much if you feel like arguing). You had such a good time tailgating? Well take 20 minutes to plan and you can still do it with relative ease.
This would be great if we had somewhere to organize ourselves...Should we just set up shop in the middle of any lot on gameday? That would go well.
The students have to take some responsibility here and prove they can party without looking like a mob of coked out fall down drunks. I'm not saying that's everyone, but it only takes a few before an institution like RU has no choice but to over correct.
The fault lies on both sides here. RU Athletics should have been prepared for The Alley to grow in popularity and the students need to prove they can handle the privilege of just HAVING The Alley.
Solution needs to a bigger space and probably wristbands and max capacity limits. IMO, students should not feel like that's too overbearing.
The fault lies on both sides here. RU Athletics should have been prepared for The Alley to grow in popularity and the students need to prove they can handle the privilege of just HAVING The Alley.
Solution needs to a bigger space and probably wristbands and max capacity limits. IMO, students should not feel like that's too overbearing.
As has been discussed. We need the administrations help with this because there is no spot where we can just openly organize without approval. We can't just use any random tail gate lot. All of these people here are complaining that the students don't show up or we don't stay. Well let us back into the tail gate lots and you'll increase attendance and interest. But then you'll piss off the donors who complained two years ago. So if the university wants to set aside a space and say "Hey this is strictly for students to tailgate or use on game day." And then let us organize the rest that's fine. It'll get done that way, otherwise I guess we could just shut down college ave and set up our tailgates in front of the student center. What could possibly go wrong with that?
The second point I've seen a lot is that we don't need giant tailgates. Who are you to tell us how big or small we can have our tailgate? You want to raise school spirit and pride in the football team 1.) WIN 2.) Let us organize as one student body before hand and get pumped up. It's really quite simple.
Yeah, a group of 20 students tailgating would go over just fine. There's no problem with that. Seriously buy a pass, split it with a couple other people and invite 15 more and ou ahve yourself a tailgate.
To be fair, exactly what you're describing HAS been cracked down on in the last two years.
The police or more specifically Middlesex walk by and see a tailgate of 20+ college age looking students and believe me it will get harassed non stop. Even if everyone is over 21.
Its about protecting against lawsuits instead of accepting the risk of being a major university with a large student body who want to party like college kids when they get a chance.
Stop the nonsense about eliminating risk. Life is risk.
Man, I really love the old wise ones lecturing and bestowing their grand wisdom. This is a board that is all but organizing a boycott of Yankee Stadium games. Not only that, but we have more than a few posters threatening to stop buying season tickets should the YS game became more regular.
I won't get into the fact that the YS stuff seems to be an integral part of the B1G's NYC plans - ya know, the whole reason we're in the B1G - but I will ask aloud, HTF can you sit here lecturing students and calling them out for being entitled, spoiled and whiny when our loyal ADULT fans, by all indications a rather well-off group of individuals, use the same type of victim mentality every time something with the program doesn't go their way? If I had to count the number of times I've read, "well I won't be buying season tickets if [insert not-that-important event or action] happens!!," I'd die counting with my shriveled, dehydrated finger.
But when students choose to boycott, the narrative is spoiled, "safe space" kids letting their team down?
Here's something novel: If you really give a #$@! about how students not showing will impact the team and program, do something more than finger-wagging from the comfort of your wheelchair. Invite some students to your tailgate and show 'em how it's done instead of condescendingly telling them how much better you were doing it back when you were a student tailgating the inaugural RU-Princeton game. I'm sure it was a much-ballyhooed wing-ding at the time, but no one cares anymore. Or contact the athletic department and use some of that buying power you're so eager to throw around when it benefits you personally to make your voice heard on this issue.
Or sit here and complain about how terrible our students are. At least you're providing brilliant mentorship on what it means to commit to being an entitled, whiny adult. And for bonus points, be sure to weigh in on Saturday about how dismayed you are about how empty the student section looks on your TV ... a half-hour from the stadium.
Sorry to interrupt your previously scheduled "random RU student" Reddit AMA, but get some fkn perspective.
I won't get into the fact that the YS stuff seems to be an integral part of the B1G's NYC plans - ya know, the whole reason we're in the B1G - but I will ask aloud, HTF can you sit here lecturing students and calling them out for being entitled, spoiled and whiny when our loyal ADULT fans, by all indications a rather well-off group of individuals, use the same type of victim mentality every time something with the program doesn't go their way? If I had to count the number of times I've read, "well I won't be buying season tickets if [insert not-that-important event or action] happens!!," I'd die counting with my shriveled, dehydrated finger.
But when students choose to boycott, the narrative is spoiled, "safe space" kids letting their team down?
Here's something novel: If you really give a #$@! about how students not showing will impact the team and program, do something more than finger-wagging from the comfort of your wheelchair. Invite some students to your tailgate and show 'em how it's done instead of condescendingly telling them how much better you were doing it back when you were a student tailgating the inaugural RU-Princeton game. I'm sure it was a much-ballyhooed wing-ding at the time, but no one cares anymore. Or contact the athletic department and use some of that buying power you're so eager to throw around when it benefits you personally to make your voice heard on this issue.
Or sit here and complain about how terrible our students are. At least you're providing brilliant mentorship on what it means to commit to being an entitled, whiny adult. And for bonus points, be sure to weigh in on Saturday about how dismayed you are about how empty the student section looks on your TV ... a half-hour from the stadium.
Sorry to interrupt your previously scheduled "random RU student" Reddit AMA, but get some fkn perspective.
Who am I to tell you how big or small we can tailgate? Listen pal I'm not much older than you and have been a student in your shoes. I'm telling you how to solve the problem not cry about it. There is no limit on your tailgate size as long as you're not a dick and follow societal norms. You can't have a 100 person rager on public property blasting the stereo where no one can hear within a 100 feet or having people throw up because there are LAWS that apply to EVERYONE especially but not limited to properly you don't own.
When you do that you open yourself up to problems and the only way to police that is with tickets, noise complaints, underages, public intoxication, public disturbance, etc THINGS THAT THE ENTIRE POPULATION CANT DO.
I get you want special dispensation because you're a student. You know everything. Stick it to the man yada yada yada.
If you work within the framework of the rules you get what you want. Why push the boundaries? Students can't get away with it anymore than alumni or any person in society.
You're funny.
Rafts on the Raritan River and spilling over to Johnson park would be really cool.
in all seriousness, what was the issue with the alley? Was it just too small or the fact that underage people were getting wasted?
I think Ag-Field day (raging parties at the cook dorms and outside) ended a long time ago so if its the latter problem, I don't see it getting fixed too soon.
I graduated from Ohio State a couple months ago, the great thing about OSU is that the campus is all self contained and everything you can pretty much walk to. Stadium is a 15-20 minute walk from off-campus housing depending on where you live.
Rutgers has their campus pretty spread out so it makes sense (and is completely justified) that students would want a designated spot reasonably close to the stadium to tailgate prior to the games. If I had gone there for school, I know I would have.
Rutgers has their campus pretty spread out so it makes sense (and is completely justified) that students would want a designated spot reasonably close to the stadium to tailgate prior to the games. If I had gone there for school, I know I would have.
So there is no limit, but we can't have 100 people there? Make up your mind. Where's your tailgate at? I'll make sure to come by and if I see you take a sip of alcohol I'll call the cops for public intoxication. Sounds fun right?
I would place money on the fact that I have a hell of a lot more life experience than you. And no I don't think I know everything, but your "suggestions" have all been tried and failed.
Ok I get that it's possible. I'm just saying I've done it for the last 7 years as a student and recent grad and still look like a college student and have never been carded or ticketed. So I know it CAN be done. I understand there is a degree of worrying about the cops to be had, but by drinking under 21, it's something we all understand and do anyway, long before Rutgers Football entered into our lives.
Will not argue anymore but will continue to discuss. I just think you are missing out on the experience that you can have that I did have. Just because one door closes (that isn't inherently open to any person or group of individuals) doesn't mean you can't open another door.
For the record I'm over 21. I started school late because of the military. I've personally never had a problem with being ID'd but I also look older. I know many people who have though, and more than once at the same tailgate. And there are some people in these lots, that no matter what are going to complain if a student run tailgate winds up next to them even if it's not being disruptive. Its the way people are and they will feel slighted that students can get into a lot they donate to. And they'll complain and we'll be out of spots to go again.
Man I think what you bolder is self explanatory. If you blend in you don't get bothered. If you stand out you will. I'm not speaking in absolutes I think that's understood no?
thabks for your service.
Why do you need over 100 people in your tailgate? Do you interact with over 100 people by name at a tailgate? Having people all around you in any lot is similar is it not?
So what you're saying is the same problems that followed the students from every location would again be a problem somewhere else? Exactly who's fault would that be? I don't care whether you're 21 or 101, where does personal responsibility and a sense of right and wrong fall in your priorities?
Once again why do you need 1,000-2,000 people in one location? I'd bet if you checked other schools all students don't attend one particular tailgate. More likely it's a bunch of much smaller ones spread out around the campus.
so what is your solution? I don't see a path forward if the desire to get 4,000 underage students together and drink in the open air. like i said, this stopped a long time ago when they shut down the partying in the dorms at Ag-Field day (or at least i assume its not happening anymore).
If they are willing to party discretely in smaller groups, theyll get away with the underage drinking. if not, i don't see a solution. If its not an issue of drinking, I really don't see why Rutgers can't solve this problem.
I was never at the alley. However, putting massive amounts of students (many of whom likely care less about the game) with alcohol-and God knows what else-seems just to be looking for trouble. I vaguely remember an undergrad dying after falling off a wall at the stadium in the late 70s. Had been drinking.
***I liked your old "model"
1) It would mix alum and students in the same lot creating a more exciting atmosphere pre game.
2)NJohyed the hot women and meetng undergrads (much less of that now)-seeing "what's up"/new at RU.
3) Before my priority points were wrongly/mistakenly taken away after a intellectual property donaton I had a yellow or blue pass. Groups such as youself (I bELieve I sold to both the baseball team and frats) purchased my pass helping me recoup costs. The students I met were really nice (and were happy to get the pass-likely because they were splitting the cost between umpteen people).
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You're painting with a pretty broad brush. There might be a few old farts being unsupportive, unsympathetic or intransigent towards the students here. But that's about it.
And there is no parallel to the Yankee stadium situation at all. I mean, these two issues couldn't be more different. There's a pretty wide gap in the entitlement factor of not wanting to pay for something you dislike (games at Yankee stadium) versus wanting to be allowed to violate the law at a school-organized event.
Seems to me that most of the adults here are fine with the students having a student tailgate area or even having tailgates intermixed with everyone else. If students want to intermingle with the old folks in the lots, there's no way to stop them anyway. I have been perfectly happy to have students tailgating around us and would be again.
However, such intermingled tailgates are not going to work if the students are inconsiderate of their tailgating neighbors. This isn't a rule just for students. It's the way it is for everyone who tailgates regardless of age.
Also, I want to point out that at least two of us have offered to host some students at our tailgates.
As someone who has attended numerous Penn State games as both a student and an alum, this is absolutely mind-boggling to me. I have no idea what the solution is, and I realize proximity to the stadium is an issue for most (all?) students at RU, but it seems impossible to me that it could really be this difficult for them to tailgate.
You really only need three things for a group of kids to tailgate: a car or a friend with a car, to be 21 years old or know someone who is, and food. And the food is even optional if you eat on campus or at your apartment/house before heading to the lots.
You really only need three things for a group of kids to tailgate: a car or a friend with a car, to be 21 years old or know someone who is, and food. And the food is even optional if you eat on campus or at your apartment/house before heading to the lots.
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G-Bke-a "college town such as Columbus had its advantages. Had similar in Chapel Hill. However such are less conducive to big tailgates (both? had limited parking).I'll also say my expert friends took the trip out there two years ago and even with TV food show recommendatons (and lots of beer) chose to stay in West Virginia and visit a dog track. Came into Columbus for the game pretty last minute.
Dude, you can tailgate where ever you want and have as many people you want. Here is the rule. You need a parking pass for every 6-10 people that are there. Simple as that. When people pay good money for a pass and get crowded out because some kid buys one pass and invites 200 of his closest friends it's an issue. If you walk over and want to hang in the lot, maybe you can squeeze 20 in your spot since there is no car there. There is only trouble when you try and squeeze 100 in for a tailgate with 1 pass.
Students are not banned from tailgating in the lots. Students have historically tried to abuse the tailgating rules in the lots. That is different.
I wasn't calling every poster here out, just the ones who have called students out, going so far as to call them entitled millennials, p#ssies, etc ... shameful behavior from men speaking to boys.
The parallel with the YS thing is quite clear: If the RU football experience is all about selflessly supporting the team, as some folks not named Fanu have rally-cried for, then you should also support the team by taking the extra 30 minutes, hour, whatever and going to the YS game. If it's about something more personal (i.e. having fun, tailgating being mentioned numerous times specifically), then don't get on the students for acting the same way you do. Basically, don't talk out of both cheeks of your #$$ (don't think you personally are doing that, but some sure are).
Personally, I could care less. I watch all the games on TV, and think the whole "you have to go to games to support the team" is absolutely moronic, quadruply so in a day and age where CFB execs poop on a toilets made from 100 dollar bills, paid for by HUGE TV contracts. I'm supporting the team just fine, and would be comfortable with that even if I lived within an hour of the stadium (though I would go to more games if I did .. because I enjoy it, not feel obligated).
As far as the "pay for something you don't like" ... well them's the breaks of buying a packaged deal like season tickets, as another poster astutely pointed out in the other thread. I don't particularly like snoozers with the likes of Howard - or inter-league Yankees games with crappy NL teams, to use another example - either, but I'm not paying to make the schedule, just to attend it.
As far as solutions ... that's not really on me or the board because RU made its own bed. Did they not anticipate this happening when they launched this like a week ago?
Do students have to buy parking passes through the same point system as others? Couldn't they just take that same section, call it a student parking lot, offer free parking passes based on whatever system they think makes sense, and then leave it the fk alone? Students would have their own place to tailgate, all together, away from stuffy fogies, and RU would have nothing to do with it, outside of supplying parking, like they do all over campus. Have police there to keep the peace and patrol people leaving for DUI and that's it. Don't make it a military state of police strolling aisles checking ID, offer shuttles to the game if it's that far away, keep it close to the bus system, and leave it the hell alone. No official RU event, no catchy names, no Hobbs drinking beers - just a student game day parking lot.
I mean, the problem is really that RU was basically sponsoring an underage binge drinking event, which obviously it can't be doing. The problem is not so much the underage drinking itself, which happens all over campus.
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