Basketball under Pikiell further along then Football

[BlockR]

granted basketball is easier to turn around,but the buzz and forward motion and overall culture change Coach Pikiell has done in one season is unreal.
Football needs to get going..starting with 2018 recruiting class.. Calling Coach Ash..
great Job Bball men..first ever B10 post season win!

http://btn.com/2017-big-ten-mens-basketball-tournament-central/

 

[AreYouNUTS]

I hate stuff like this. Sorry. Just be happy where hoops is headed, understand there is still a very LONG way to go, and hope for the best in football as well. Things are coming together.

 

[RUScrew85]

They are ahead but BB is easier than FB.

 

[bac2therac]

no its not, RU has had the worst perception of any power 5 school in hoops for years...think Terry Shea years

now this is a silly comparison because its only been a year for each but no hoops isnt easier when you have never been supported at this school like football has the last 15 years and you are considered a laughingstock and your faciliites are MAAC level

 

[WhiteBus]

Basketball you need 2 or 3 good/great players. Football you need about 20. Stupid post considering that Flood left a bare cupboard.

 

[RUwoz]

no its not, RU has had the worst perception of any power 5 school in hoops for years...think Terry Shea years

now this is a silly comparison because its only been a year for each but no hoops isnt easier when you have never been supported at this school like football has the last 15 years and you are considered a laughingstock and your faciliites are MAAC level

When people think of Rutgers football now they think of 78-0, not a game against Louisville 11 years ago. I think the perception of RU football is much worse, Ash is dealing with so much more than bball

 

[bac2therac]

Basketball you need 2 or 3 good/great players. Football you need about 20. Stupid post considering that Flood left a bare cupboard.

wrong

 

[bac2therac]

When people think of Rutgers football now they think of 78-0, not a game against Louisville 11 years ago. I think the perception of RU football is much worse, Ash is dealing with so much more than bball

RU had lost 35 of 38 Big 10 games coming into this season, they lose to Louisville 3 years ago in the AAC tournament by 61 points. RU has not been to the NCAA tourney in hoops since 1991 and have not finished above 500 in ANY league since 1991....yeah better perception...okay

 

[BoroKnight]

Basketball is easier to turn around -- MUCH easier -- than football at any Generic School X. True. No doubt about it. It's both cheaper and faster. A couple of players, one friendly AAU coach, and you're halfway home.

Rutgers is not lucky enough to be Generic School X. The perception at Rutgers is much more than an albatross, much more than a monkey on the back, much more than a weight on the shoulders, etc. etc. etc. If Rutgers basketball was a neighborhood, Love Canal and Chernobyl would be more desirable. If it was a car, it would be jealous of the Edsel. If it was a president, it would envy James Buchanan's place in history.

That has to be taken into account in any conversation about rebuilding at Rutgers.

 

[RU-ROCS]

Love Pike and the progress, but as many have noted it's Apples v. Oranges. In addition to the differences noted above, the competition in the Big10 East in football last year was WAY tougher than the Big10 hoops slate. Let's just enjoy the great night and hope that Pike can recruit as well as he coaches!

 

[Caliknight]

Hoops. 12 guys. Football 85. Basketball is a far easier turnaround. But Pike and staff are excellent. The verdict is already in.

 

[FanuSanu52]

Why make it into a negative, OP? Stop being such a hater for 10 mins and maybe you'll even get to enjoy BB progress and the win.

 

[Rhuarc]

I'm glad people are hyping up the basketball program for once. These kids work really hard and coach Pike and the staff have tremendous perception/facility issues to overcome. Enjoy this moment to the max.

However, this is only one step in a huge process. Year 3 of the Pike era will be the true test of his coaching skills as there will be a lot of roster turnover at that time. If the recruiting continues to grow, the bump can be small. If not, people need to show patience and be supportive because it's not going to be easy.

 

[NickKnight 1]

no its not, RU has had the worst perception of any power 5 school in hoops for years...think Terry Shea years

now this is a silly comparison because its only been a year for each but no hoops isnt easier when you have never been supported at this school like football has the last 15 years and you are considered a laughingstock and your faciliites are MAAC level

Don't be shy, say how you really feel. Sounds like your on the fence with your opinion.:)

 

[madchuck]

Of course basketball is easier. Look at March Madness. While FCS school's sometimes upset P5 school's it's far less common than in basketball. In basketball any little school with two good players and good coaching can beat anyone. Monmouth is able to beat good schools in basketball. Monmouth would get stomped badly by any P5 school in football. Basketball did a great job but the football is apples to oranges. That being said, every other sport seems to be trending in the right direction. Wrestling is aweome, Lacrosse is awesome, baseball is doing well, basketball has improved. It's time for football to step up. Football is the most supported sport and where the money's going.

 

[NickKnight 1]

They are ahead but BB is easier than FB.

Actually, he is doing with the previous coaches players. ( for the most part)

 

[76Scarlet]

(sigh)..................can' we just be happy with the big win last night without the negative spin comparison to football.

 

[madchuck]

Actually, he is doing with the previous coaches players. ( for the most part)

Pike is awesome. We hired the right BB coach.

 

[koleszar]

This thread sucks. Expected to wake up to congratulatory threads for our team and what do I see, yea but football still sucks. Block R stick to posting nj.com articles they have your like mindset.

 

[Bagarocks]

Here we go again which bad team was worse off and which RU coach is doing better than the other

Sssssssshhhhhhhheeeeeeeesssssshhhhhhh

 

[RU85inFla]

Who cares which one is easier to turn around with recruiting. If Ash got the effort out of his players that Pikell does the football team would have not lost every other game by 70 puts.

 

[RUinPAC10land]

I'm just happy that Rutgers won! Way to go Pike!

 

[devoted2ru]

(sigh)..................can' we just be happy with the big win last night without the negative spin comparison to football.

Unfortunately, I think you're asking the impossible, 76Scarlet. I doubt there's anything that can happen regarding Rutgers sports, no matter how positive, without somebody finding a way to kill the buzz.

 

[RUfinal4]

Pike has had the team playing tough defense and rebounding all year. This is his approach witht he prior coach's players that has helped turn it around. The grad transfer Gettys helps too since he is 7ft tall and changes shots.

 

[satnom]

When people think of Rutgers football now they think of 78-0, not a game against Louisville 11 years ago. I think the perception of RU football is much worse, Ash is dealing with so much more than bball

Clemson lost to West Virginia 70-33 in the Orange Bowl in 2012. What do people think of Clemson now?

Winning clears the memory.

GO RU

 

[bigmatt718]

Unfortunately, I think you're asking the impossible, 76Scarlet. I doubt there's anything that can happen regarding Rutgers sports, no matter how positive, without somebody finding a way to kill the buzz.

Being a turd in the punch bowl is part of being from NJ. The longer I live out in PA the more evident it becomes.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Can we just be happy for MBB without taking cheap shots at Football?

I know that some people are obsessed with negative spinning any positive news but that act is getting real old.

 

[seels2662]

Basketball you need 2 or 3 good/great players. Football you need about 20. Stupid post considering that Flood left a bare cupboard.

The cupboard was just as bare in basketball as it was in football, maybe worse. The difference is the basketball team has one of the best set of assistants in the league where in football we had quite possibly the worst OC in D1. Watch the difference a real OC makes this year.

 

[WhiteBus]

The cupboard was just as bare in basketball as it was in football, maybe worse. The difference is the basketball team has one of the best set of assistants in the league where in football we had quite possibly the worst OC in D1. Watch the difference a real OC makes this year.

Ha. Did you watch football last year?
The fact is that its a simple numbers game. In basketball you need 5 guys to play well and as a team. In football you need 22 plus special teams. Not only are there more players but 3 separate units to get playing well together.
A single star in basketball can carry a team. Thats not possible in football.

 

[TheB1GTerp]

granted basketball is easier to turn around,but the buzz and forward motion and overall culture change Coach Pikiell has done in one season is unreal.
Football needs to get going..starting with 2018 recruiting class.. Calling Coach Ash..
great Job Bball men..first ever B10 post season win!

http://btn.com/2017-big-ten-mens-basketball-tournament-central/

That is so dumb I don't even know where to start, but I'll try.

It takes more than a decade to build a football program to where you have 5 years worth of recruiting playing and you are already recruiting quality freshman and sophomores out of high school. There are 85 kids on football team and you recruit 25 a year.

Basketball can improve dramatically with ONE guy or a good coach.

Rutgers still finished in dead last in basketball, and although I agree the team looked so much better than last year, it's like Minnesota this year. Just because you really stunk last year and played more up to your talent doesn't mean you did the greatest job.

That being said everyone thinks Pikiell will get Rutgers to tourny around the B1G.

Not many think Ash has a chance due to Michigan, Ohio State, MSU, and PSU. If Maryland is going to recruit a top 25 team that pushes Rutgers even more. I think RU will pass Indiana shortly, but after that it's a brutal climb.

 

[BlockR]

like I stated in starting thread,basketball is easier to turn around then football.All you need is one or two talented players added to have an impact as a turn around. RU basketball needed a culture change ,and Coach Pike has done just that,great job by him!. Will Ash turn football culture around back to Schiano days? It remains to be seen ,as of now Im just not sold.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

like most sports, it starts with coaching

bball has one, fball the jury is still out

 

[Jim_from_RU]

like I stated in starting thread,basketball is easier to turn around then football.All you need is one or two talented players added to have an impact as a turn around. RU basketball needed a culture change ,and Coach Pike has done just that,great job by him!. Will Ash turn football culture around back to Schiano days? It remains to be seen ,as of now Im just not sold.

The point is, there was no need for the original post. None.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

The point is, there was no need for the original post. None.

oh stop, you Ashites are so damn sensitive with any discussion that paints him in a negative light. Fact is, he showed subpar coaching last year and it's not even debatable. OP is right, calling Ash is the right thing to do given it took him half a season to make a half time adjustment!

 

[seels2662]

Ha. Did you watch football last year?
The fact is that its a simple numbers game. In basketball you need 5 guys to play well and as a team. In football you need 22 plus special teams. Not only are there more players but 3 separate units to get playing well together.
A single star in basketball can carry a team. Thats not possible in football.

This is not about what it takes to build a team its what the starting point is. This basketball team has zero NBA level stars on this team. ZERO. One player on this team is a legit scoring threat. That is 8.3% of the team. I won't even go into the other parts of the programs like the practice facility and stuff like that.

There are many insiders including many on this board that know that last years football team was crippled because of the OC. I'm not saying that we were anywhere close to a good team because we weren't but we were 2-10 with all the shutouts because of DM. That is a fact.

 

[RUsojo]

No scope with you people.

 

[mikefla]

No ..its NOT "silly" to compare the progress of both teams at Rutgers

I like coach Ash...but the fact is under our new football coach.... the team NOT only didnt improve but the coaches looked lost most of the time Frankly .I dont see MUCH of a culture change that has translated to anything on the field so far. Defensive backs were still a sieve, QB situation was still a mess & the OLINE still made our QB run for his life most plays. The lone area that stayed relatively strong was our defensive line.

Our basketball coach had a bare cupboard from a coach that was far more inept than Flood at least on game day. In year ONE we have won more games, fewer blowouts (2 )played MOST games down to the wire and are now RESPECTED by most...even our FOES.. in the B10 in basketball.

Like it or not ..RU football.....based on last years performance...is anything BUT " respected' yet. Our foes chuckle at our ineptitude & we are blown out on a regular basis
This wont change until coach Ashs team does something meaningful on the field...
which, like all of us...... I HOPE happens next year.....

 

[WhiteBus]

This is not about what it takes to build a team its what the starting point is. This basketball team has zero NBA level stars on this team. ZERO. One player on this team is a legit scoring threat. That is 8.3% of the team. I won't even go into the other parts of the programs like the practice facility and stuff like that.

There are many insiders including many on this board that know that last years football team was crippled because of the OC. I'm not saying that we were anywhere close to a good team because we weren't but we were 2-10 with all the shutouts because of DM. That is a fact.

It doesnt change the fact that it is much easier to turn around a college baketball team than a college football team.
And there will be no one drafted from last years football team. None were even invited to the combine.
Your point about having a bad OC is further proof that football is harder. In basketball you have the head coach who runs the entire program with help from assistants. In college you have coordinators that run different parts of the program with guidence from the head coach.

 

[madchuck]

Clemson lost to West Virginia 70-33 in the Orange Bowl in 2012. What do people think of Clemson now?

Winning clears the memory.

GO RU

They were in the Orange bowl though. We never made a BCS bowl. And one embarrassing bowl game does is not the equivalent of our season last year. Ohio State got embarrassed in the playoffs this year too. But it's not the same thing as the situation we're in.

 

[madchuck]

Here's the perfect example of why you can't compare basketball and football. In basketball, you can take the Cleveland Cavaliers who were one of the worst teams in the NBA. Throw Lebron James on that team and they are in the NBA Finals. In football it doesn't work that way.