Basketball under Pikiell further along then Football

[devoted2ru]

BlockR, you're completely right. There hasn't been a 14th seed all that long. Simply meant that the lowest seed in the B1G tourney won...and apparently that isn't something that's happened much in the past, (if ever), whatever the bottom seed's number might have been, (which was determined by the number of teams in the conference at previous tournaments prior to expansion, of course).

 

[rutgersfan7]

I think this is a fair post. You can take into account all factors and Pikeill had a better first year. He also did a much better job of surrounding himself with a quality staff. He managed to keep Shoes which was a huge factor in keeping the team together. Ash found a way to not keep even one person onboard. Panagos who was very good should have stayed based on his body of work imo. In short, the basketball team overachieved and football under achieved. The basketball team improved as season went along as well. Both are hard jobs but I think Pike's experience showed.

And you don't think the pending investigation had anything to do with thay decision? Our football program was a cesspool that neeed to be cleaned up badly. Bball while lacking in talent did not have a culture problem to correct

 

[rutgersfan7]

"One LeBron and the program is turned around". Do you know how hard it is to get that LeBron? There are well over 300 four stars or better every recruiting season in football with like 130 or so FBS programs vieing for them and in basketball there are around 100 four star or better players every year with around 350 D1 programs trying to get them. That player is very very rare. You have to build a basketball team without that star.

Even Flood will have players he recruited go to the NFL. How many NBA players have we had in the last 20 years?

NFL is a lot bigger than the NBA. In fact given our conference affiliation not having an NFL player is embarrassing

 

[RU-05]

Is the year one turnaround for B-ball via talent? Or was it due more to coaching?

 

[RUInFlorida]

I was just saying the same thing as the OP to a friend. After we beat UNC in that bowl game to cap off our first year in the Big Ten, there's no way you could have ever convinced me that the men's basketball program would be in better shape than football in 2017. It's a stunning turn of events no matter how you slice it.

 

[RU-05]

And you don't think the pending investigation had anything to do with thay decision? Our football program was a cesspool that neeed to be cleaned up badly. Bball while lacking in talent did not have a culture problem to correct

We are not that far removed from the Rice issues. And B-ball does have more of a facility issue then Football does.

 

[RU-05]

I was just saying the same thing as the OP to a friend. After we beat UNC in that bowl game to cap off our first year in the Big Ten, there's no way you could have ever convinced me that the men's basketball program would be in better shape than football in 2017. It's a stunning turn of events no matter how you slice it.

Well a TON has happened since that point. Most notably the Flood disaster of 2015.

It is an interesting point of reference for sure though.

 

[NickKnight 1]

You know what is so great about beating the 11th place team?
We get to play again, which to me is great, we have a chance to beat
Northwestern, and beating them will get me very excited, then playing
Maryland next, might end it all, but it will be a great ride getting there.

 

[rutgersfan7]

We are not that far removed from the Rice issues. And B-ball does have more of a facility issue then Football does.

I was referring specifically to the criticism of why ash cleaned house with the coaches. He had no choice. He was brought into change the culture that had to start with the assistant coaches

 

[RU-05]

I was referring specifically to the criticism of why ash cleaned house with the coaches. He had no choice. He was brought into change the culture that had to start with the assistant coaches

Oh no doubt.

Did Pikiell not clean house? I assume it's par for the course.

 

[RU-05]

Could another win get us an NIT invite?

They take sub .500 teams sometimes don't they?

 

[RUfromSoCal?]

than
then

 

[rutgersfan7]

Oh no doubt.

Did Pikiell not clean house? I assume it's par for the course.

He kept some but yea it's pretty standard in football - which is why it's ridiculous that people continue to bring it up as some sort of mistake.

 

[FanuSanu52]

oh stop, you Ashites are so damn sensitive with any discussion that paints him in a negative light. Fact is, he showed subpar coaching last year and it's not even debatable. OP is right, calling Ash is the right thing to do given it took him half a season to make a half time adjustment!

I was all about your jury's still out post. But calling Ash out (again) in the middle of the off season because the basketball team had a nice win is in fact the exact wrong thing to do. Spinning an all-win situation into pure whine.

In other words, OP is a huge turd.

 

[oldtimer67]

A few things:

1.) Who the hell is ecstatic about finishing last in conference?
2.) According to the announcers on BTN, this was the 1st time in B1G history that a 14th seed won in the 1st round. If you don't see some sign of improvement as a result, or something to feel positive about regarding that, then you're just not looking, or you simply don't want to see it since it wouldn't fit your seemingly endless negative agenda.
3.) Hate to break it to 'ya, but we already beat Indiana in football...in 2015, though Lord knows how with the staff that was on the sidelines at the time. -Must have missed the ticker tape parade afterwards, though, but do hope you enjoyed it.

Here's a suggestion, since you seem to think everything about Rutgers is as bad as you do, why not just follow another team? You'll be doing yourself, and everybody else, a big favor.

RE:
1) #2 wouldn't be true if it weren't for #1.
2) Also, someone else stole my thunder, but what? "first time in 3 tries?". Whoop-de-do.
3) I didn't say beat Indiana FOR THE FIRST TIME. We are talking about the future here, right? We didn't beat them last year. In 2015 we also beat the team that beat us 78-0. Any comment about that? Progress?

After 56 years of rooting for Rutgers sports, I have no intention of giving up now. I guess it isn't OK too be unwilling to accept the current state of affairs. By rejoicing over such mediocrity as last night, we are doing nothing but empowering the administration to keep things the way they are.

 

[bac2therac]

And you don't think the pending investigation had anything to do with thay decision? Our football program was a cesspool that neeed to be cleaned up badly. Bball while lacking in talent did not have a culture problem to correct

basketball had a losing culture to correct, I would say that was pretty large

 

[bac2therac]

Could another win get us an NIT invite?

They take sub .500 teams sometimes don't they?

zero chance....you have to have 20 wins to get in now, the days over 500 schools are over

 

[rutgersfan7]

basketball had a losing culture to correct, I would say that was pretty large

Right but that doesn't really have to deal with not retaining coaches which is what I was referencing. The assistants role in basketball vs football is also vastly different so it's silly to compare but ash really didn't have a choice about retaining coaches from a previous staff

Also I wasn't aware of our football teams glorious winning culture.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

I was all about your jury's still out post. But calling Ash out (again) in the middle of the off season because the basketball team had a nice win is in fact the exact wrong thing to do. Spinning an all-win situation into pure whine.

In other words, OP is a huge turd.

I gotta disagree,

back on important things, thoughts on the maserati a6g? hagerty had a piece on it, great car!

 

[mildone]

Unfortunately, I think you're asking the impossible, 76Scarlet. I doubt there's anything that can happen regarding Rutgers sports, no matter how positive, without somebody finding a way to kill the buzz.

If they started giving out free hookers and blow at games, that would be an awfully hard buzz to kill. I'm just saying.

 

[FanuSanu52]

You like yourself some classic fastbacks, huh? I'm not much for current Maseratis but they have some brilliant classics.

Speaking of great classics, did you see the work Jag did in recreating the XKSS models it lost to fire back in the 50s. They lost all the tooling back then, too, so had to start from an existing model and work backward. Interesting stoey and incredible job they did.

That's right, OP, we're hijacking your stupid thread. This thread is about awesome classic cars now. Feel free to get in on that convo ... or not come back at all.

 

[mildone]

This is why you don't hire a guy with no head coaching experience. We went through that with Schiano and rode his learning curve for several years. Once was enough. This time around we should have hired a guy with head coaching experience not another young assistant that has to learn on the job. The OC hire (one example) was awful and set us back a year.

Say, you don't happen to have an experienced head coach in mind whom you feel would've done much better than Ash, do you? :D

 

[mildone]

You like yourself some classic fastbacks, huh? I'm not much for current Maseratis but they have some brilliant classics.

Speaking of great classics, did you see the work Jag did in recreating the XKSS models it lost to fire back in the 50s. They lost all the tooling back then, too, so had to start from an existing model and work backward. Interesting stoey and incredible job they did.

That's right, OP, we're hijacking your stupid thread. This thread is about awesome classic cars now. Feel free to get in on that convo ... or not come back at all.

I thought it was about cocaine and fast women. And Al Golden. Silly me.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

You like yourself some classic fastbacks, huh? I'm not much for current Maseratis but they have some brilliant classics.

Speaking of great classics, did you see the work Jag did in recreating the XKSS models it lost to fire back in the 50s. They lost all the tooling back then, too, so had to start from an existing model and work backward. Interesting stoey and incredible job they did.

That's right, OP, we're hijacking your stupid thread. This thread is about awesome classic cars now. Feel free to get in on that convo ... or not come back at all.

look it up, classic maserati....hate the new ones too

total hijack!

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

You like yourself some classic fastbacks, huh? I'm not much for current Maseratis but they have some brilliant classics.

Speaking of great classics, did you see the work Jag did in recreating the XKSS models it lost to fire back in the 50s. They lost all the tooling back then, too, so had to start from an existing model and work backward. Interesting stoey and incredible job they did.

That's right, OP, we're hijacking your stupid thread. This thread is about awesome classic cars now. Feel free to get in on that convo ... or not come back at all.

did not see this, let me find a link.....

 

[mildone]

look it up, classic maserati....hate the new ones too

total hijack!

I like the new Maseratis. But I can see where you may feel they are no Maybach.

 

[rubaseball78]

Most people seem to be making the point it is easier (not easy) to turn around basketball compared to football, to which I would agree. If our fans have learned nothing else over the years, they should at least know by now it isn't easy to turn either sport around.

People keep telling me how easy it is to turn around a bball program and I've been waiting 25 years.

 

[rubaseball78]

While Kill will be a major improvement and hopefully add head coaching experience like Fridge did for Flood,it still comes down to Jimmies and Joes..as of now for 2018..we no Jimmies and no Joes..;).

You are right, I just checked our roster and we have 1 Joe but no Jimmies.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

People keep telling me how easy it is to turn around a bball program and I've been waiting 25 years.

hence my comment earlier when someone mentioned the final four team. We haven't seen post season dance in 3 decades but if it's so easy, why so long?

 

[miketd1]

What's a harder job?

I think that if you brought in Calipari, he'd make us a contender for the Big Ten title in two recruiting cycles, high school-esque facilities (and honor!) be damned.

But even if you brought in Nick Saban himself, he'd need 4 or 5 cycles to get us Big Ten title caliber in addition to all the changes to the weight room, nutrition program, and locker room that Ash has implemented. And he'd need the freedom to over recruit and bring in fringe kids.

IMO, bball is "easier", but you can make a legit case for both sides.

 

[FanuSanu52]

look it up, classic maserati....hate the new ones too

total hijack!

I checked out some photos ... great looking car.

Since Mild brought up Maybach, I'll post this thing because it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen ... a beastly off-road 4x4 on portal axles designed as a chauffeured landaulet ... true wtf. You can't even see the rear seat area in Geneva because the thing's so stupid high. Think the Pope should ride in one with a bulletproof canopy.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

I checked out some photos ... great looking car.

Since Mild brought up Maybach, I'll post this thing because it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen ... a beastly off-road 4x4 on portal axles designed as a chauffeured landaulet ... true wtf. You can't even see the rear seat area in Geneva because the thing's so stupid high. Think the Pope should ride in one with a bulletproof canopy.

lol, was JUST looking at this. love it

yeah, the a6g is insane, they should offer it in a kit

 

[mildone]

I checked out some photos ... great looking car.

Since Mild brought up Maybach, I'll post this thing because it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen ... a beastly off-road 4x4 on portal axles designed as a chauffeured landaulet ... true wtf. You can't even see the rear seat area in Geneva because the thing's so stupid high. Think the Pope should ride in one with a bulletproof canopy.

Wouldn't fit Herman Munster. And everybody who's anybody knows that if a landaulet doesn't fit Herman Munster, it's crap.

 

[mildone]

The 2017 S-600 is one ugly, ugly car, IMO. Each to their own I guess, but you couldn't pay me to sit in one, let alone get me to buy one at any price.

 

[mildone]

The 2017 S-600 is one ugly, ugly car, IMO. Each to their own I guess, but you couldn't pay me to sit in one, let alone get me to buy one at any price.

OTOH, the GLS450 could well be my next car. With a couple options, it'd be a steal, IMO.

 

[BlockR]

And you don't think the pending investigation had anything to do with thay decision? Our football program was a cesspool that neeed to be cleaned up badly. Bball while lacking in talent did not have a culture problem to correct

there was a culture 'problem' for Football under Flood, when almost 15 players got jailed or dismissed after being arrested Or maybe the national media reporting on Flood going in disguise to Princeton and trying to change a grade..? Possible NCAA sanctions?
Bball had a culture problem still from Mike Rice . but in one season Coach Pike has changed that ..great job by him.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

OTOH, the GLS450 could well be my next car. With a couple options, it'd be a steal, IMO.

nah, fugly!

RR Defender?

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

the cls 550 is still awesome if you're looking at mercedes.

 

[FanuSanu52]

The 2017 S-600 is one ugly, ugly car, IMO. Each to their own I guess, but you couldn't pay me to sit in one, let alone get me to buy one at any price.

How bout the Pullman? That thing is baller. Can fit some serious hookers in there and snort some LONG lines.

Think that little thickly mustached Merc chairman has gone full on mad scientist.

 

[FanuSanu52]

nah, fugly!

RR Defender?

That's the stuff. 25 year old Defender and done. Or wait for the new one that's making its US comeback.