Basketball under Pikiell further along then Football

[MYHATINTHERING]

That's the stuff. 25 year old Defender and done. Or wait for the new one that's making its US comeback.

just saw a yellow one with 1300 miles on it, late 80s belongs to a hf guy on the Navesink who also has some carbon porsche (forgot which one) that's worth a ton. was at my mechanics place checking on my side pipes and the Defender is jaw dropping. Nothing comes close to it's lines, functional approach etc. beautiful car...done right there, Defender!

ok, now onto bikes; Harley or Indian?

 

[PoorTailor]

zero chance....you have to have 20 wins to get in now, the days over 500 schools are over

If 20 wins is need for NIT why all the talk about whether OSU will accept an NIT invite. I don't think they had 20 wins.

 

[rutgersfan7]

there was a culture 'problem' for Football under Flood, when almost 15 players got jailed or dismissed after being arrested Or maybe the national media reporting on Flood going in disguise to Princeton and trying to change a grade..? Possible NCAA sanctions?
Bball had a culture problem still from Mike Rice . but in one season Coach Pike has changed that ..great job by him.

Wasn't there a coach between pike and rice or am imagining 4 years? Ash took over a team that had all those arrests at the hale center months prior. If we're talking that lens, Jordan is a much better comp for Ash then Pike. Let's hope he does a better job

 

[DHajekRC84]

not to be a debbie downer but I'm a realist. Just where do you see "Overall we're heading in the right direction together FOR ONCE!" as bball is clearly in an upswing while football just finished a dismal year where we finished worse in every category than the guy's team we fired.

I'm talking from a position where we hit bottom last year and have to be going up :)
(last year sucked an am throwing it out the window. PS , THAT WAS the team of the guy we fired)

Got some solid recruits, some interesting transfers who can play right away..got some much better coaching assistants, Grant back along with a general feeling of overall on field personnel upgrades..IMO.

 

[madchuck]

I'm talking from a position where we hit bottom last year and have to be going up :)
(last year sucked an am throwing it out the window. PS , THAT WAS the team of the guy we fired)

Got some solid recruits, some interesting transfers who can play right away..got some much better coaching assistants, Grant back along with a general feeling of overall on field personnel upgrades..IMO.

I think we'll be better. I think Mehringer was a trainwreck and an awful hire. I'm more optimistic about Kill's offense. About half of our schedule we were just outmatched talent wise. The other half, I feel that we had about the same talent but were out coached, executed. Illinois is not that much better than us. Look at their recruiting classes compared to Flood's. It aint much better.

 

[Upstream]

Three things

1.) Basektball is just as hard to turn around as football. Yes you need less numbers but you can't turn it around taking chances on players. You cannot swing and miss too often with 13 scholarship players...football you can do that

2.) I will state that part of the reason WHY basketball looks further ahead is that we have some talent from the previous regime. It was not developed...but there is more recruited talent here in basketball than most give credit for. People mislabel lack of talent for lack of shooting and there is some truth for it....but we are not so far behind in talent in basketball. Football is a different story. The cupboard is BARE and there is little left that Ash inherited to make it work

3.) As a result...different sports and different circumstances. Apples and Oranges

Best post in this thread.

1) With only 13 players, you are handing out 3-4 scholarships per year. If one of those players fails to meet potential, you've lost 25-33% of your recruiting class. Plus with so many fewer players, it is rare to find someone who has sailed under the radar or is a diamond in the rough.


2) True, Jordan left the basketball program in much better shape than Flood left the football program. Pikiell had more to work with than Ash, though Pikiell still has the decades of futility to contend with.

Also, the nature of basketball is that upsets are more common. Two years ago Rutgers beat #4 Wisconsin and Wisconsin went on to play in the National Championship game. We went 2-16 in conference that year. In 2003, Rutgers beat Carmelo Anthony's Syracuse team that went on to win the National Championship. We went 4-12 in conference that year. Despite those upset wins, our program certainly wasn't turned around.

Even this year, I'd hardly say the program is turned around. We went 3-15 in conference during the regular season. Certainly Pikiell has the team playing better and with more effort. But there seems to be a long way to go before the program is turned around.


3) Yep. Apples and Oranges. Basketball and football have different challenges to turn them around. You can't use a football lens to look at what it takes to turn a basketball program around, any more than you can use a basketball lens to look at football.

 

[retired711]

Just wanted to contribute the point (SIAP) that the B1G is much stronger in football than in basketball, and so it is harder to turn around football. It's going to be a long time before we can be competitive in football with Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State. But the B1G is not nearly as dominant in bsketball. Improving basketball was very challenging, and I applaud Pike for having done such a good job to date (even though the season was very disappointing) -- I don't want to take anything away from him. Nor do I want to say that Ash has been perfect -- hiring Mehringer turned out to be a very poor move, and a more experienced coach would have known better, especially if the coach, like Ash, did not have experience on the offensive side of the ball.

 

[RU#1fan]

Not to rain on your parade (I agree with the sentiment of your post) but ask yourself how many years has there been a 14th seed in the B1G tournament?

Hey, how many teams in the Big Ten again ?...

 

[NickKnight 1]

than
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[NickKnight 1]

I think we'll be better. I think Mehringer was a trainwreck and an awful hire. I'm more optimistic about Kill's offense. About half of our schedule we were just outmatched talent wise. The other half, I feel that we had about the same talent but were out coached, executed. Illinois is not that much better than us. Look at their recruiting classes compared to Flood's. It aint much better.

I agree about Mr. Train Wreck, but Ash was the boss, and now
I believe he has to let Kill do his thing. Like Schiano should have
with his offense, and like Flood did with Fridgen. If he did any one
thing right that was it.

 

[madchuck]

Best post in this thread.

1) With only 13 players, you are handing out 3-4 scholarships per year. If one of those players fails to meet potential, you've lost 25-33% of your recruiting class. Plus with so many fewer players, it is rare to find someone who has sailed under the radar or is a diamond in the rough.


2) True, Jordan left the basketball program in much better shape than Flood left the football program. Pikiell had more to work with than Ash, though Pikiell still has the decades of futility to contend with.

Also, the nature of basketball is that upsets are more common. Two years ago Rutgers beat #4 Wisconsin and Wisconsin went on to play in the National Championship game. We went 2-16 in conference that year. In 2003, Rutgers beat Carmelo Anthony's Syracuse team that went on to win the National Championship. We went 4-12 in conference that year. Despite those upset wins, our program certainly wasn't turned around.

Even this year, I'd hardly say the program is turned around. We went 3-15 in conference during the regular season. Certainly Pikiell has the team playing better and with more effort. But there seems to be a long way to go before the program is turned around.


3) Yep. Apples and Oranges. Basketball and football have different challenges to turn them around. You can't use a football lens to look at what it takes to turn a basketball program around, any more than you can use a basketball lens to look at football.

I agree that upsets are way more common in basketball than football. In basketball you upsets all the time in March Madness. In football, while FCS teams beat FBS teams occasionally, it doesn't happen too much. In football, if you're bigger, stronger, faster, it's really tough to overcome. If Monmouth University played Michigan in football, they would lose 100 out of 100 times. If they played Kentucky in basketball, they may be able to win a few.

 

[JoeRU0304]

Wasn't there a coach between pike and rice or am imagining 4 years? Ash took over a team that had all those arrests at the hale center months prior. If we're talking that lens, Jordan is a much better comp for Ash then Pike. Let's hope he does a better job

Bingo. Plus, Eddie was an 'ok' recruiter and just NOT a college coach. Flood was a fairly weak recruiter and a subpar head coach- not a good combination. Class ratings aren't everything but Ash brought in a better class after a 2-10 season than Flood ever did, including coming off a share of a conference title and a bowl/ Lambert win. Flood also lost the equivalent of an entire class in a 2-3 year period and basically destroyed our FB infrastructure and inroads within the state.

...that all said, Coach Pike has been awesome thus far. This year's bball team reminds me of Schiano's '03 squad.


Joe P.

 

[ScarletteK80]

Ru is losing 35-9 right now in 1st half.

 

[ArminRU]

Stupid thread. Completely apples and oranges. Both are moving in the right direction. And please pump the breaks on bb, hope you're not watching tonight.

 

[theRU]

Everyone back down to earth now?

 

[Knight Shift]

Scarlet Nation curse lives. To the OP:

 

[Kbee3]

Ru is losing 35-9 right now in 1st half.

I'm guessing that the 9 is due to a missed extra point attempt ?

 

[mildone]

nah, fugly!

RR Defender?

LR Defender? The 2018 model might have promise. But I want more cargo capacity.

 

[RUInFlorida]

Everyone back down to earth now?

Last night's game doesn't change anything. The men's basketball program has a better chance of making postseason play next season than the football team. That is a fact.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

team finished strong, definitely something to build upon for next season and look forward to

 

[theRU]

Last night's game doesn't change anything. The men's basketball program has a better chance of making postseason play next season than the football team. That is a fact.

That is all that your criteria is based on? i think its closer than you think.

 

[RUJMM78]

Best post in this thread.

1) With only 13 players, you are handing out 3-4 scholarships per year. If one of those players fails to meet potential, you've lost 25-33% of your recruiting class. Plus with so many fewer players, it is rare to find someone who has sailed under the radar or is a diamond in the rough.


2) True, Jordan left the basketball program in much better shape than Flood left the football program. Pikiell had more to work with than Ash, though Pikiell still has the decades of futility to contend with.

Also, the nature of basketball is that upsets are more common. Two years ago Rutgers beat #4 Wisconsin and Wisconsin went on to play in the National Championship game. We went 2-16 in conference that year. In 2003, Rutgers beat Carmelo Anthony's Syracuse team that went on to win the National Championship. We went 4-12 in conference that year. Despite those upset wins, our program certainly wasn't turned around.

Even this year, I'd hardly say the program is turned around. We went 3-15 in conference during the regular season. Certainly Pikiell has the team playing better and with more effort. But there seems to be a long way to go before the program is turned around.


3) Yep. Apples and Oranges. Basketball and football have different challenges to turn them around. You can't use a football lens to look at what it takes to turn a basketball program around, any more than you can use a basketball lens to look at football.

The difference between the sports is the number of players to fill the roster.In both cases,however,recruiting players equal to or better than league competition is required.Rutgers is lacking in that regard right now and that is why the won/loss record was the worse in the B1G for both sports.

 

[RUInFlorida]

That is all that your criteria is based on? i think its closer than you think.

I have no interest in running down our football program, as I desperately want it to succeed just as much as you do. Let's hope both programs take off even quicker than we think!

 

[Block R]

Last night's game doesn't change anything. The men's basketball program has a better chance of making postseason play next season than the football team. That is a fact.

It is not a fact, it's an opinion. And you need to define postseason play for the basketball team: do you mean the NIT or NCAA? For football I assume you're referring to a bowl game as opposed to the playoffs.

 

[theRU]

I have no interest in running down our football program, as I desperately want it to succeed just as much as you do. Let's hope both programs take off even quicker than we think!

Yeah i hear you, i'm just saying i dont necessarily use postseason as success criteria. Technically you could load up on some seasoned transfers and catch lightening in a bottle for 1 year in BB and make a tourney. Its harder to do that in FB.

 

[madchuck]

Steph Curry at Davidson. You can have one superstar and make the NCAA tournament. In CFB, not so much.