Big 12 Expansion
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Exactly. The GOR is the key. Without an extension the conference remains unstable. It would not surprise me if both Texas and OU were putting out feelers even though they have a few years to go before the current GOR expires.
A new rumor being floated is the B12 lets OU, UT and possibly KU out in 24 months and expansion takes place then. The TV money stays the same until the current contract runs out. The question becomes does the B12 still have a playoff ticket when that deal gets renewed if this is true.
That would be rich indeed. UConn finally gets out of the AAC into a non P5 Big 12. That's the equivalent of out of the frying pan, into the fire if I ever heard it.
If OU could get away from OSU, they'd have moved to the Pac12 the last time around...
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OU blinked...they could have moved with A&M to the sec instead of Missouri...at least some think so...shoulda...coulda...woulda!
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Get the circus music and get it all ready for the 2017 rerun of this whole facocked mess
Delany already is sitting there calculating which 2 of the 3 Big 12 prizes he wants to poach (Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas)
So which of the Big 12 prizes do we want? I say Kansas and Oklahoma. Texas isn't worth the headache... Let them go Indy.
Here is the ESPN article: http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/17818146/big-12-agree-new-members-stand-pat-10-schools
The Big 12 looks like a bunch of clowns. They make expansion into a circus by going public and making schools beg to get in - some of whom didn't have a snowballs chance in hell, and then they don't expand. It wasn't long ago when it looked like the ACC was the weakest of the Power 5 but now it's looking like the Big 12 may soon be the conference of misfit toys.
+1 OK would be a great get, and Kansas fits in as well as us and Maryland.
F Texas.
So true. I really did not understand why they were so public about auditioning a bunch of second-tier programs. It's not like they were poaching big-time P5 teams; they were operating completely from weakness. Yet they made a big show of it. And now they look twice as stupid.
I hope another conference(s) poaches them into complete destruction in the not-so-distant future.
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I love how all these eventual expansion talks just have ou and the steers just walking away from the b12 as if there would not be political hell to pay for...
Keep thinking that...you just don't sentence Baylor, tcu, Tex tech, ok state and kstate to a life outside the "good times" because you have the desire to have the two big ones in your league...naïveté I believe would be the correct word for that line of thinking...along with this emoji... [roll]
Keep thinking that...you just don't sentence Baylor, tcu, Tex tech, ok state and kstate to a life outside the "good times" because you have the desire to have the two big ones in your league...naïveté I believe would be the correct word for that line of thinking...along with this emoji... [roll]
Nebraska gets their Thanksgiving rivalry back with Oklahoma on Black Friday...pair Kansas with Iowa for Rivalry Weekend and move Purdue to the B1G East for balance.
No Big 12 Expansion means the end of the conference.
Where will the fallout be? Time to start that endless discussion again.
Big Ten Expansion could include (choose 2) (It's likely the Big Ten will pursue AAU institutions which expand their television footprint):
Kansas
UNC
Virginia
Georgia Tech
Missouri
Oklahoma
Notre Dame (I know, I don't want them either, but prob won't happen)
Texas (Won't happen, same issue as Notre Dame with TV network)
Iowa State
Pac 12 could add (up to 4):
Texas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Iowa State
Nevada
BYU (probably not)
Kansas State
ACC could add garbage (how many will they lose to the Big Ten & SEC):
UConn
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Baylor
Texas Tech
Houston
East Carolina
Oklahoma State
SEC could add:
West Virginia
Oklahoma
Clemson
Florida State
Miami
Texas
Kansas
Kansas State
Where will the fallout be? Time to start that endless discussion again.
Big Ten Expansion could include (choose 2) (It's likely the Big Ten will pursue AAU institutions which expand their television footprint):
Kansas
UNC
Virginia
Georgia Tech
Missouri
Oklahoma
Notre Dame (I know, I don't want them either, but prob won't happen)
Texas (Won't happen, same issue as Notre Dame with TV network)
Iowa State
Pac 12 could add (up to 4):
Texas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Iowa State
Nevada
BYU (probably not)
Kansas State
ACC could add garbage (how many will they lose to the Big Ten & SEC):
UConn
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Baylor
Texas Tech
Houston
East Carolina
Oklahoma State
SEC could add:
West Virginia
Oklahoma
Clemson
Florida State
Miami
Texas
Kansas
Kansas State
Where do you get no expansion means the end of the Big XXII??? Some of you are completely clueless!
http://247sports.com/Bolt/Source-tells-ESPN-Big-12-could-be-close-to-the-end-47692920
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...psychologically-disadvantaged-great-runaround
No extension of grant of rights means Oklahoma and Texas won't commit long term. Take out Oklahoma and Texas and the conference dies. Try reading, its a helpful way to get information.
I did read. No one is going anywhere until the current playoff format is done in 2025. Been saying this since it was signed.
ZERO chance B1G takes Missouri from SEC.
SEC probably only interested in FSU, UT.
No reason to take Clemson, WVU is not considered to be southern and no respect for WVU. Miami not a fit for SEC.
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Commentary within...[laughing] why people continue to ignore what is sure to be political obstacles is puzzling...but keep coming up with unrealistic scenarios...sure feels like the offseason already!
There is zero chance for any movement until the 4 team playoff contract is over.
after the GOR ends I see the following conference moves:
B10 - adds Kansas and Oklahoma
East - Rutgers, Maryland, PSU, Michigan, Mich St, Ohio St, Indiana, Purdue
West - Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Minny, Wisconsin, Illinois, N-western
P12 - adds Okl St, Ks St, Texas, Tx tech
East - Okl St, Texas, TX Tech, Ks St, Utah, Cololrado, Arizona, Az St
West - Washington, Wash St, Oregon Oregon St, Stanford, California, UCLA, USC
SEC - adds UNC /NC St, Wst Va / UVA / Va tech
East - NC new school, VA new school, S Carolina, Kentucky, Georgia, Florida, Vandy, Tennesee
West - TAMU, Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss, Miss St, LSU, Alabama, Auburn
ACC - adds from AAC to reach 16 (ND keeps current deal)
North - Syracuse, BC, Pitt, Va school 1, Va school 2, Cincy, UConn, Louisville
Soutth - FSU, Miami, Ga Tech, Clemson, Memphis, Wake, Duke, UNC / NC St
VA School 1 and 2 - Assume of West Va, UVA, and Va Tech that 1 goes to SEC
NC schools - assume either UNC or NC St goes to SEC
Then you will see a positive petition for Conference semifinals along with a conference championship.
B10 - adds Kansas and Oklahoma
East - Rutgers, Maryland, PSU, Michigan, Mich St, Ohio St, Indiana, Purdue
West - Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Minny, Wisconsin, Illinois, N-western
P12 - adds Okl St, Ks St, Texas, Tx tech
East - Okl St, Texas, TX Tech, Ks St, Utah, Cololrado, Arizona, Az St
West - Washington, Wash St, Oregon Oregon St, Stanford, California, UCLA, USC
SEC - adds UNC /NC St, Wst Va / UVA / Va tech
East - NC new school, VA new school, S Carolina, Kentucky, Georgia, Florida, Vandy, Tennesee
West - TAMU, Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss, Miss St, LSU, Alabama, Auburn
ACC - adds from AAC to reach 16 (ND keeps current deal)
North - Syracuse, BC, Pitt, Va school 1, Va school 2, Cincy, UConn, Louisville
Soutth - FSU, Miami, Ga Tech, Clemson, Memphis, Wake, Duke, UNC / NC St
VA School 1 and 2 - Assume of West Va, UVA, and Va Tech that 1 goes to SEC
NC schools - assume either UNC or NC St goes to SEC
Then you will see a positive petition for Conference semifinals along with a conference championship.
Sad state of affairs
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...should-apologize-oklahoma-texas-mandel-101716
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...should-apologize-oklahoma-texas-mandel-101716
Apologize?? Laughable! It a buisness. No school could bring the Big XII proof that they could add $ to the bottom line. In fact any addition would cost the conference's current members $
Texas won't go independent.
What could happen is that Texas may join the ACC in conjunction with Notre Dame to make a 16 member ACC Conference (previous rumors).
Since ESPN will have the exclusive broadcasting rights of the ACCN and LHN, the LHN network will be incorporated into the ACCN with Texas not losing any money.
Speculation is always interesting with many behind the scenes discussions going on.
I do not believe Texas or Oklahoma will sign another GOR in the Big 12 Conference.
Exiting could start before the Big 12 Contract expires in 2024.
Teams could announce by 2020 that they will be going to other conferences and look for a negotiated buyout. The buyout (loss of TV rights) becomes less onerous every year you get closer to the end of the GOR.
Time will tell.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
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This article certainly seems to be right on target. What a public relations nightmare for the B12 - but richly deserved.
I'm wondering if the committee that will select the final 4 teams for the national championship playoffs includes any members from the AAC or MWC. I can't imagine that they would reward the B12 by voting in favor of one of their teams, especially if it turns out to be Baylor who wins the conference. With all of their baggage, many people would probably argue that they shouldn't even be eligible.
All the talk about OU to the B1G is pretty ridiculous since OU isn't in the AAU and is not even close to being eligible, which UConn at least is. I would prefer to see the B1G expand eastward again, adding UVa and UNC, especially before the SEC moves in on the latter. I think the next round of expansion might involve the SEC and B1G going to 16 each, with both of them wanting to add the states of NC and VA to their footprints. Should that be true, the B1G needs to be proactive where UNC is concerned, since NCState, which I believe is not an AAU member, is not really a good fit for the B1G but would be fine for the SEC, which doesn't care so much about that. Should UNC not be available, then, continuing in the contiguous state tradition, the logical move would be to go after UVa and either Kansas or Missouri.
This all assumes that TX and OU will be off to the PAC14.
Agree. It wasn't the result of no expansion, whether right or wrong, Mandel was critical of. The fact that they had a pro-rata clause in their contract for expanding which would have made the conference money regardless of the schools selected, and use of that clause to negotiate with the networks to not expand so they're going to make money anyway, is not the issue addressed in the article.
It was the public sideshow they created and dragging schools and their fans through their muck of a process, from taking this expansion idea to the media, to their short list of schools and the presentations which were reported on. What a waste of time and effort. Big 12 decision makers come off as dysfunctional and crazy.
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