He is still butthurt that Rutgers defeated Iowa St in a bowl game.
He needs to get over it.
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He is still butthurt that Rutgers defeated Iowa St in a bowl game.
He needs to get over it.
Same here. I want to be able to battle UT and OU every other year or so. I would love to see our kids go into Austin and kick their butts (and eat their BBQ). We could build up a nice "Giants-Cowboys" type of rivalry in college football.
And of course, netting something like $60-90 million a year on the next tv contract would be pretty amazing.
I am beginning to think that all this expansion isn't going to help the Power 5 "have nots," and this was all done for the "haves" to dominated even greater.
Consolidate the money and power and the have nots just sit there and take it.
In our case, Mich, OSU and Penn State makes more money because we are in, and takes our talent.
Look at BC - Those guys competed in FBall and basketball in the BE. They haven't won an ACC game in two years.
Wake - worthless now.
Cuse - FBall worthless. Wait for Boeheim to retire - they will turn into... wait for it
PITT: Fball is doing ok. BBall is sliding. I am reading they no longer have "We play in north east, NYC, Madison Sq Garden kid!" They aren't getting the guys they used to on the court.
Colorado - They don't play TX, A&M and OK anymore so they complete lost Texas for recruiting. I know they don't fund FBall like they used to, but the Texas pipeline is a trickle now.
Rutgers: We WERE competing in the Big East. 10yrs later we are back in 1999 and OSU, Penn State and Mich are stomping on us in recruiting. Instead of Pitt, BC, CUSE and WV getting our guys that we were beginning to keep, OSU, Penn State and Mich are slaughtering us. Yes, we have verbals, but they are not in the door yet.
VaTech - Did well their 1st 8yrs in the ACC. The last 4 have been rough.
The U - enough said. The ACC has been the death kneel.
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So now your an elite kid looking who to play for. "What are the chances of winning a conference ring? Harder now that there are many more teams in the conference. 20yrs ago you had what, 8 or 9 Div 1 conferences that were good? Yes, you had the big boys, but it wasn't shameful to play for one of the lessor conferences. Now its the P5 or nothing and then its the top 3 teams or your are going to get your face kicked in.
Maybe I am way off. I just think the consolidation of power among the top 2 or 3 teams in each of the Power 5 conferences will eventually destroy everyone else.
Consolidate the money and power and the have nots just sit there and take it.
In our case, Mich, OSU and Penn State makes more money because we are in, and takes our talent.
Look at BC - Those guys competed in FBall and basketball in the BE. They haven't won an ACC game in two years.
Wake - worthless now.
Cuse - FBall worthless. Wait for Boeheim to retire - they will turn into... wait for it
PITT: Fball is doing ok. BBall is sliding. I am reading they no longer have "We play in north east, NYC, Madison Sq Garden kid!" They aren't getting the guys they used to on the court.
Colorado - They don't play TX, A&M and OK anymore so they complete lost Texas for recruiting. I know they don't fund FBall like they used to, but the Texas pipeline is a trickle now.
Rutgers: We WERE competing in the Big East. 10yrs later we are back in 1999 and OSU, Penn State and Mich are stomping on us in recruiting. Instead of Pitt, BC, CUSE and WV getting our guys that we were beginning to keep, OSU, Penn State and Mich are slaughtering us. Yes, we have verbals, but they are not in the door yet.
VaTech - Did well their 1st 8yrs in the ACC. The last 4 have been rough.
The U - enough said. The ACC has been the death kneel.
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So now your an elite kid looking who to play for. "What are the chances of winning a conference ring? Harder now that there are many more teams in the conference. 20yrs ago you had what, 8 or 9 Div 1 conferences that were good? Yes, you had the big boys, but it wasn't shameful to play for one of the lessor conferences. Now its the P5 or nothing and then its the top 3 teams or your are going to get your face kicked in.
Maybe I am way off. I just think the consolidation of power among the top 2 or 3 teams in each of the Power 5 conferences will eventually destroy everyone else.
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This guy is a complete loser, he does realize that Iowa State sucks and Kansas is in the Big 12 doesn't he?
God to think of this in your terms is depressing but you may be right. The talk about who gets into the playoff only centers on 0 and 1 loss teams. The powers that be do not want competitive balance because that hurts the chances of getting a team into the CFP. The old Big East was competitive; especially after Miami left it was pretty competitive but got destroyed by the media because our champs would have 2-3 losses some years. This perception helped kill the conference. I also agree the powers that be and the TV folks want a system that almost ensures the football blue bloods make the playoff every year. I think the networks would wet the bed if in a given year Wake was the ACC champ, Purdue won the B1G, Miss St was the SEC champ and Washington St won the PAC and these were the playoff teams. Moz is correct. The system is designed to favor the bluebloods.
If they win out they still might not get in. How do they jump Washington if they win out and the ACC sends Clemson, B1G tOSU/UM and SEC champ.
Uh, yeah, but that WV factoid means perhaps you're the one that should "take it easy," as does the fact that Colorado's looking much better this year.
And that Syracuse football was garbage well before it joined the ACC.
And that Utah, which made a bigger leap than any other program, has been one of the better teams in the PAC for the past two years.
Colorado - They don't play TX, A&M and OK anymore so they complete lost Texas for recruiting. I know they don't fund FBall like they used to, but the Texas pipeline is a trickle now.
Colorado has started refundinding their program again. They just did about $100mil in facility upgrades and more stuff planned.
They did recruit Texas some and still do.(Just got a 4* WR commit last night from there) however when they were doing good in the 90's it was because of the California recruiting. They are hitting it hard there again and are have success too. They also are trying to keep their instate kids at home now which will help them also.
As of right now it appears they are turning the corner to end the doormat finishes they had been going through.
Colorado has started refundinding their program again. They just did about $100mil in facility upgrades and more stuff planned.
They did recruit Texas some and still do.(Just got a 4* WR commit last night from there) however when they were doing good in the 90's it was because of the California recruiting. They are hitting it hard there again and are have success too. They also are trying to keep their instate kids at home now which will help them also.
As of right now it appears they are turning the corner to end the doormat finishes they had been going through.
Not sure what your entire debate is about, but I do know your take on Colorado is wrong. Colorado relies more on California for most of its recruits and appeal to the general student population. It's the one main reason the Pac-12 has been after Colorado the last 30 years similar to how the Big Ten had Rutgers in their sight since the 90s. Also, funding is up Colorado for football. They just redid the Dal Ward Center for the second time in 15 years. Total redesign of the center. Plus their just built a new indoor facility connected to the east side of the stadium with underground parking. They added a second weightroom for football in the new practice facility.
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My mentor Bill Harris from Hackensack help start the fundraising back in the early 2000s. My former teammate Tate Nelson took over and continue the fundraising. What you see now is a result of their work in the last 10 years. Also you have to give a lot of credit to Rick George Who understood Colorado football at its peak back in the late eighties early nineties. Colorado is very similar to Rutgers. The difference is the politicians don't get in the way as long as it doesn't affect them and the media doesn't go out of his way to undermine the school.
I notice that Colorado seems to be getting a lot better just a couple years - say a partial recruiting cycle - after weed went legal. Coincidence?
I would say it has a lot more to do with hiring the right coach and the school committing the resources to upgrade everything. It sounds like they are committed to keep spending to try and catch up with the Jones's. That's they only way any school is going to increase their chances for improvement, right coach and loads of money. If the football facilities don't have some part being added or remodeled at all times then a school is falling behind and has to really spend to catch up.
Yeah, I wasn't really too serious about that, although I do wonder if it helps in bolstering CO's attractiveness as a destination for college kids/recruits.
I think CO has one of the better reputations as a US state - even if they've never been, people generally think of it positively, which can't be said for many states and is basically the opposite of NJ, which outsiders and insiders tend to dump on. The marijuana thing is polarizing but should only improve that positive rep among high school-age kids. Not saying it's a major factor in landing any recruit, but wondering if it helps put CO on the radar of more CA and out-of-state recruits.
Probably a stretch, I just think it makes an interesting comparison with NJ, which is at the opposite end of the reputation scale.
I think CO has one of the better reputations as a US state - even if they've never been, people generally think of it positively, which can't be said for many states and is basically the opposite of NJ, which outsiders and insiders tend to dump on. The marijuana thing is polarizing but should only improve that positive rep among high school-age kids. Not saying it's a major factor in landing any recruit, but wondering if it helps put CO on the radar of more CA and out-of-state recruits.
Probably a stretch, I just think it makes an interesting comparison with NJ, which is at the opposite end of the reputation scale.
What bolsters the attractiveness to CU? You have to visit the campus. I've set foot on many campuses around this country, but the view of the snowcaps on the FlatIrons (Mountains) west of campus is like a postcard. It can't be matched. The design of the campus is done with the mountains in mind. The flow of the red roof tiles blends with the mountains and the surrounding community.
As I said in a previous post above CU is the Rocky Mountain version of Rutgers. CU basketball practiced inside the Coors Event Center (basketball arena) because they didn't have a practice facility until 2 years ago. About 10 years ago CU had no indoor practice facility. When I was there by mid season we had to go to the Broncos practice facility to prep for games due to bad weather. Also, we practiced in Balch FieldHouse (old basketball arena) inside the indoor track. About 10 years ago the school threw up a bubble over one of the practice fields to ease the situation. This past year CU completed the final stage of complete football facility upgrades. First it was new luxury boxes, suites, party rooms and overflow media room on the east side of the stadium. Next it was a massive redesign of the Dal Ward Center (old football facility with locker room, coaches' offices & weight room) turned over to other sports. Last, was the new indoor practice facility with a 300 car underground parking garage along with a new weight room, locker room, meeting rooms, visitor center, coaches' offices and an conference center. The build is connected to the east side of the stadium with a section (conference center on the top of the building) wrapping around high into the stadium to view games inside. The conference center seats over 500 people and can be rented out for weddings or events with indoor and outdoor views of the stadium as well as the FlatIrons. It's a money maker for the athletic dept. There is a 2 year waiting list to rent the conference center.
I would love for Rutgers to get to that point and build something similar behind the Hale Center. You give people a reason to visit the Hale Center (& Rutgers football) year around.
Where are they going to get 2 paychecks worth more?
2015, Texas Athletics was the #1 in the country at $180 million. The top team in the ACC was #12 Florida State. $60 million dollars behind Texas. You Pitt fans need to get off the pipe!
It's a great campus. Haven't been through much of it, but been to Boulder a few times and stayed in a hotel that seemed like an overflow dorm (lots of fit college chicks there, anyway : ). Also just from pics and TV shots you can tell how nice it is.
Utah State has a similarly beautiful campus - mountains practically ascend off the top of the stands.
Why is he an ass? He's wrong about "value" in terms of money because of the BTN but he sure is right about adding to the quality of the conference. BC and Rutgers are diluting the products. At least at the moment.
He is an ass because there is NO SCHOOL that the Big12 was looking at could have ever added as much money to the Big12 than Rutgers has added and will add to the B1G. So it is extremely stupid and Shortsighted to even be dumb enough to bring us up when it comes to expansion in a negative light.
It really highlights just how clueless he is and the Big12 is.
Texas and Oklahoma are not joined at the hip.
One scenario:
If ESPN tells the SEC that the addition of Oklahoma and Oklahoma State (unite with Texas a&m and Missouri) would be a good addition to the conference (16 members) and they(ESPN) would be willing to financially compensate for the move(similar to ESPN recommending Pitt and Syracuse to the ACC for critical mass (geography) for forming the ACCN) they are gone.
HAIL TO PITT!!!!
My statement included the word modified contract - regarding the LHN.
Texas will keep the LHN network wherever they go - they may have to give up some football games or bball games. Olympic sports may be the only form of content - but it is a negotiable item and it appears Texas with all its eyeballs (like how RU appealed to the BIg Ten) is a desired addition.
Texas will keep the LHN network wherever they go - they may have to give up some football games or bball games. Olympic sports may be the only form of content - but it is a negotiable item and it appears Texas with all its eyeballs (like how RU appealed to the BIg Ten) is a desired addition.
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