Blue Lot,Homecoming, New Normal???

[ag67]

I also noticed the the lots blue, yellow and purple where quiet (and not full). Perfect for senior citizen tailgate crowd (no noise please while I eat my bologna sandwich and drink my Bud Light). I was particularly disappointed by the pregame homecoming event or lack there-of in the Glen. Didn't see any homecoming or welcome alumni signage (perhaps I missed it). There was a large tented area devoted to welcome VIP's and another that had an unexplained tent with gate keepers. There were several areas devoted to corporate promotion of products. Why where they handing out high calorie 50 carb milk and foam bones? The back packs handed out by a health insurance group didn't even have the Rutgers logo on it. What was with the Keurig thing (trying to keep people awake for the game)? Why have a bunch of guys wresting? Where they associated with Rutgers or random guys who came upon a mat and started spontaneously wrestling (no signage)? What was with that one sad old guy playing a guitar and singing? Was there a kids area? This is a large University, is this the best they could do for homecoming?

It is obvious that the only alumni valued by Rutgers are the ones with deep pockets.

The only thing I don't get is why adolescents like you assume that everyone must enjoy exactly the same kind of music as you do. So you must blast your music as loud as possible in every direction. Shouldn't everyone have the opportunity to enjoy the music they like at their tailgate? Is it old-fashioned to think the world does not revolve completely around you?

I have zero issues with you playing your kind of music or wanting to party with your friends. I am just saying I think anyone should be respectful of the rights of everyone else to have a good time also.

I have no idea what the solution is. Young people should have a place where they can party in the manner they like - to a limit. Making a total ass of yourself in public should be discouraged. Ruining everyone else's tailgates should not be an option either.

By the way, we did enjoy our bologna sandwiches, but we are Golden Money fans - not light beers.

 

[Boz29]

I don't understand why the university doesn't designate a lot for the Young Alumni/Party Crowd. I like a higher energy lot. I am respectful to whoever I park next to and the worst thing is when I wind up next to a family or some elders. I shouldn't have to play my music on 1 and they shouldn't have to deal with me playing my music at 7. Bring like minded people together and everyone will have a better time.

 

[RU22]

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the senior citizen tailgates, on average, have much better food than the students.... bologna sandwiches?...bud light?...

Sorry didn't mean to disparage senior citizen's tailgate.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

I am pro-police and have many family members in LE but the ones that "patrol" the lots are not good.

 

[wheezer]

I don't understand why the university doesn't designate a lot for the Young Alumni/Party Crowd. I like a higher energy lot. I am respectful to whoever I park next to and the worst thing is when I wind up next to a family or some elders. I shouldn't have to play my music on 1 and they shouldn't have to deal with me playing my music at 7. Bring like minded people together and everyone will have a better time.

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the one problem you still have is over drinking to the point of emergency, so you still have to be watched.... as far as the music goes, having a lot for young alumni and students, it would be a plus with a lot for that.

 

[ArminRU]

The police harassment is out of control and hurting game day experience. End of story. And yes, some posters here are partly to blame.

 

[RUsSKii]

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the one problem you still have is over drinking to the point of emergency, so you still have to be watched.... as far as the music goes, having a lot for young alumni and students, it would be a plus with a lot for that.

That is part of the point that some of us here are trying to make. Police/emergency services are present and paid to respond to medical emergencies, resolve issues such as fighting/harassment, and remove people from the lots if they present a clear danger to themselves and others. However, this scope should not include demanding IDs and opening up their ticket books every time a twenty-something year old walks by with a beer or Solo cup.
Edit: I also agree that it's silly for them to demand a clear space in parking aisles wide enough for Fred Flintstone to ride his new-age ATV through.

 

[RU22]

The only thing I don't get is why adolescents like you assume that everyone must enjoy exactly the same kind of music as you do. So you must blast your music as loud as possible in every direction. Shouldn't everyone have the opportunity to enjoy the music they like at their tailgate? Is it old-fashioned to think the world does not revolve completely around you?

I have zero issues with you playing your kind of music or wanting to party with your friends. I am just saying I think anyone should be respectful of the rights of everyone else to have a good time also.

I have no idea what the solution is. Young people should have a place where they can party in the manner they like - to a limit. Making a total ass of yourself in public should be discouraged. Ruining everyone else's tailgates should not be an option either.

By the way, we did enjoy our bologna sandwiches, but we are Golden Money fans - not light beers.

LOL, We are older but I do enjoy watching a younger people having a good time. Love their energy. Perhaps lots should be assigned by age group and temperament. Designate everything from a party hardy lot to a "where do I catch the Knightendale service lot."

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

The police harassment is out of control and hurting game day experience. End of story. And yes, some posters here are partly to blame.

It does dampen the GDE for sure, I'd almost rather go drink at the Olive Branch or Kelly's pregame at this point then the lots.

 

[bac2therac]

I don't understand why the university doesn't designate a lot for the Young Alumni/Party Crowd. I like a higher energy lot. I am respectful to whoever I park next to and the worst thing is when I wind up next to a family or some elders. I shouldn't have to play my music on 1 and they shouldn't have to deal with me playing my music at 7. Bring like minded people together and everyone will have a better time.

Its called the rac lot...just because you are young and like to party does not mean you are entitled to a party area close to the stadium. The more money you donate the closer you are. The school does not have to promote underage drinking

 

[bac2therac]

I also noticed the the lots blue, yellow and purple where quiet (and not full). Perfect for senior citizen tailgate crowd (no noise please while I eat my bologna sandwich and drink my Bud Light). I was particularly disappointed by the pregame homecoming event or lack there-of in the Glen. Didn't see any homecoming or welcome alumni signage (perhaps I missed it). There was a large tented area devoted to welcome VIP's and another that had an unexplained tent with gate keepers. There were several areas devoted to corporate promotion of products. Why where they handing out high calorie 50 carb milk and foam bones? The back packs handed out by a health insurance group didn't even have the Rutgers logo on it. What was with the Keurig thing (trying to keep people awake for the game)? Why have a bunch of guys wresting? Where they associated with Rutgers or random guys who came upon a mat and started spontaneously wrestling (no signage)? What was with that one sad old guy playing a guitar and singing? Was there a kids area? This is a large University, is this the best they could do for homecoming?

It is obvious that the only alumni valued by Rutgers are the ones with deep pockets.

I agree..the homecoming area or lack of one was embarrassing. An incredibly poor job by the school on this

 

[RU22]

Frats stay on college ave and the younger alumni have been bumped to the purple lot

We were bumped to the purple lot. We didn't see a lot going on there. I felt the entire atmosphere was subdued. The students did seemed engaged in cheering but I thought the horse solicited the most spontaneous applause. (That is on great video)

 

[wheezer]

That is part of the point that some of us here are trying to make. Police/emergency services are present and paid to respond to medical emergencies, resolve issues such as fighting/harassment, and remove people from the lots if they present a clear danger to themselves and others. However, this scope should not include demanding IDs and opening up their ticket books every time a twenty-something year old walks by with a beer or Solo cup.
Edit: I also agree that it's silly for them to demand a clear space in parking aisles wide enough for Fred Flintstone to ride his new-age ATV through.

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your way would be treating emergencies, I think the police are trying to avoid the emergency in the first place.... if someone looks underage
they should ID them, they should not wait till they are on the way to the emergency room

 

[bac2therac]

Baseless comment. There were more parking passes sold this year than last.

3 games and plenty of empties in yellow blue and purple would sem to indicate otherwise. .especially blue

 

[ArminRU]

Its called the rac lot...just because you are young and like to party does not mean you are entitled to a party area close to the stadium. The more money you donate the closer you are. The school does not have to promote underage drinking

What if you like to party and donate? Also, who said anything about underage drinking?

 

[RU22]

I agree..the homecoming area or lack of one was embarrassing. An incredibly poor job by the school on this

Homecoming, in my mind, should be an event where alumni can come together and celebrate their connection to Rutgers and feel pride about having attended a great school. It should not be a place devoted to vendors promoting products. They may be great products but their presence should be secondary to the Rutgers homecoming experience.

 

[RUsSKii]

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your way would be treating emergencies, I think the police are trying to avoid the emergency in the first place.... if someone looks underage
they should ID them, they should not wait till they are on the way to the emergency room

We'll have to agree to disagree.
What you are promoting is an abandonment of personal responsibility and accountability, where you don't trust any students or young alumni to party responsibly without acting like idiots. I did it, most of my friends did it, and thousands of others have done so.

There's a major difference between promoting underage drinking and cracking down on it. By telling the police to ID anyone that even looks young, now you're harassing many more people in the lots who are of legal age to drink. I havent taken kindly to that, and those who have chosen to enjoy themselves elsewhere and often don't bother attending less-hyped games as a result don't either.

Finally, nobody is saying that the students/young alumni are entitled to the existing lots near the stadium. What I've been suggesting is to leave those who are already paying/donating enough to be I n the lots and not causing issues be left alone without harassment, and find an area outside of the existing lots to designate as a 'party' one for flats, students, young alumni who would pay up. Emergency services can be stationed on the periphery, and be free to intervene for actual issues such as fighting, public urination, etc. Good luck trying to make that the RAC..

 

[bac2therac]

What if you like to party and donate? Also, who said anything about underage drinking?

No one is stopping you...do you need 200 people which also attracs underage kids. This isnt a rave..be reasonable

 

[wheezer]

We'll have to agree to disagree.
What you are promoting is an abandonment of personal responsibility and accountability, where you don't trust any students or young alumni to party responsibly without acting like idiots. I did it, most of my friends did it, and thousands of others have done so.

By telling the police to ID anyone that even looks young, now you're harassing many more people in the lots who are of legal age to drink. I havent taken kindly to that, and those who have chosen to enjoy themselves elsewhere and often don't bother attending less-hyped games as a result don't either.

Finally, nobody is saying that the students/young alumni are entitled to the existing lots near the stadium. What I've been suggesting is to leave those who are already in the lots and not causing issues alone without harassment, and find an area outside of the existing lots to designate as a 'party' one for flats, students, young alumni who would pay up. Emergency services can be stationed on the periphery, and be free to intervene for actual issues such as fighting, public urination, etc. Good luck trying to make that the RAC..

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the PNC bank center Id's for alcohol, no matter what age you are, you could be gray with a cane....I have no problem with that at all...I just have my ID at the ready...

If I was 21 years old drinking in the lot, I would keep my ID in my shirt pocket, at the ready....hell, I would wear it around my neck with a chain to have it more, at the ready....the cop comes by, flash it at him, and away he goes...

don't worry about the underage students, if you are of age, don't make a problem out of it for yourself.....If I got proofed in my late 20's
I took it as a compliment....just roll with it, it is not so bad if you handle it right.

if you are 21 and mature, respect what the police are doing...... again, they are not going to allow
the underage to drink and then treat the emergencies...that is nuts, a lawsuit waiting to happen

 

[RUsSKii]

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the PNC bank center Id's for alcohol, no matter what age you are, you could be gray with a cane....I have no problem with that at all...I just have my ID at the ready...

If I was 21 years old drinking in the lot, I would keep my ID in my shirt pocket, at the ready....hell, I would wear it around my neck with a chain to have it more, at the ready....the cop comes by, flash it at him, and away he goes...

don't worry about the underage students, if you are of age, don't make a problem out of it for yourself.....If I got proofed in my late 20's
I took it as a compliment....just roll with it, it is not so bad if you handle it right.

if you are 21 and mature, respect what the police are doing....

I don't respect the 21-year-old drinking age because it is laughably high, and I was raised to maturity in a setting where having a drink even as a teen was a way to be social and spend quality time with family, not a taboo means of getting drunk.

So you're asking this of the wrong person. And the idea of wearing an ID around your neck all times in public smacks of a society that I wouldn't want to be a part of. I respect the police for the tough and sometimes thankless jobs many of them have. But handing out $500 tickets for underage drinking to 18-20 year olds is something I will never thank or respect them for.

 

[RU22]

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the PNC bank center Id's for alcohol, no matter what age you are, you could be gray with a cane....I have no problem with that at all...I just have my ID at the ready...

If I was 21 years old drinking in the lot, I would keep my ID in my shirt pocket, at the ready....hell, I would wear it around my neck with a chain to have it more, at the ready....the cop comes by, flash it at him, and away he goes...

don't worry about the underage students, if you are of age, don't make a problem out of it for yourself.....If I got proofed in my late 20's
I took it as a compliment....just roll with it, it is not so bad if you handle it right.

if you are 21 and mature, respect what the police are doing...... again, they are not going to allow
the underage to drink and then treat the emergencies...that is nuts, a lawsuit waiting to happen

Since I'm up there in years an

I don't respect the 21-year-old drinking age because it is laughably high, and I was raised to maturity in a setting where having a drink even as a teen was a way to be social and spend quality time with family, not a taboo means of getting drunk.

So you're asking this of the wrong person. And the idea of wearing an ID around your neck all times in public smacks of a society that I wouldn't want to be a part of. I respect the police for the tough and sometimes thankless jobs many of them have. But handing out $500 tickets for underage drinking to 18-20 year olds is something I will never thank or respect them for.

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the PNC bank center Id's for alcohol, no matter what age you are, you could be gray with a cane....I have no problem with that at all...I just have my ID at the ready...

If I was 21 years old drinking in the lot, I would keep my ID in my shirt pocket, at the ready....hell, I would wear it around my neck with a chain to have it more, at the ready....the cop comes by, flash it at him, and away he goes...

don't worry about the underage students, if you are of age, don't make a problem out of it for yourself.....If I got proofed in my late 20's
I took it as a compliment....just roll with it, it is not so bad if you handle it right.

if you are 21 and mature, respect what the police are doing...... again, they are not going to allow
the underage to drink and then treat the emergencies...that is nuts, a lawsuit waiting to happen

I think checking the ID of people who are obviously old is silly. Since they started the no purses in the stadium policy, I no longer carry any ID with me when I go into the stadium. I'm not going to carry one of those silly little purses that I would lose.

I grew up in a rural area and the drinking age was 18. Of course we all started drinking at around age 16.

I can understand and appreciate the school being afraid of lawsuits but this could happen when some perfectly sober older person trips and falls.

 

[wheezer]

I don't respect the 21-year-old drinking age because it is laughably high, and I was raised to maturity in a setting where having a drink even as a teen was a way to be social and spend quality time with family, not a taboo means of getting drunk.

So you're asking this of the wrong person. And the idea of wearing an ID around your neck all times in public smacks of a society that I wouldn't want to be a part of. I respect the police for the tough and sometimes thankless jobs many of them have. But handing out $500 tickets for underage drinking to 18-20 year olds is something I will never thank or respect them for.

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so what your saying is that you don't respect the law of the land, I cannot argue with someone who says that..... for every person who
drinks responsibly at the age of 18, lets say, there is another who might hurt themselves.... a drinking age is established for a reason, and that reason is to hope that by the time the person is 21 they will understand the dangers of over drinking.

we cannot use your own personal experiences of drinking as a guide for the masses...you do realize many underage will not be so
careful drinking.

I will end my posts with this.... IF the university came through each and every game and proofed everybody, made swings through the
lot where I had to show my proof 2 or 3 times over the course of four hours, I would have my ID at the ready, and show it
willingly.....showing it willingly because it is all for the greater good, and it would not hurt my having a good time one bit.

at some point people have to stop getting personally insulted for a policy........ the policy is not aimed at you

 

[RU62]

Ru4 and Wheezer thanks for your common sense and realistic approach and comments. Unfortunately folks like skii seem to think they can do whatever they want without being subject
to the consequences. Underage drinking is a problem and is adverse publicity that Rutgers and many other colleges seek to avoid and is not needed especially when it can get out of control.

Years ago beer was often fine and the favorite as kegs were often the norm. Now that too has changed with whatever concoctions young people mix up including hard liquor and even passion punch of grain alcohol. Add in.a few pills and other things and you have a problem to monitor. Haven't seen.too many "adult problem" groups that know how to tailgate and share a great gameday experience. Some young alumni hotshots still need to learn adult behaviour but as noted the atmosphere and fun in the scarlet, green and yellow lots make gameday fun. Sometimes the only other problems are those from adults who do not monitor children better and allow them to throw footballs etc all around and interfere with other groups as well as some roaming students who need to be corrected.

Those who have traveled to away games and other B1G schools often comment on the

 

[ArminRU]

No one is stopping you...do you need 200 people which also attracs underage kids. This isnt a rave..be reasonable

I don't think anyone is talking about a 200 person tailgate. I think people just want to be left alone with their 10 person tailgate.

 

[RUsSKii]

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so what your saying is that you don't respect the law of the land, I cannot argue with someone who says that..... for every person who
drinks responsibly at the age of 18, lets say, there is another who might hurt themselves.... a drinking age is established for a reason, and that reason is to hope that by the time the person is 21 they will understand the dangers of over drinking.

we cannot use your own personal experiences of drinking as a guide for the masses...you do realize many underage will not be so
careful drinking.

I will end my posts with this.... IF the university came through each and every game and proofed everybody, made swings through the
lot where I had to show my proof 2 or 3 times over the course of four hours, I would have my ID at the ready, and show it
willingly.....showing it willingly because it is all for the greater good, and it would not hurt my having a good time one bit.

at some point people have to stop getting personally insulted for a policy........ the policy is not aimed at you

Some laws of the land have little to no basis in psychology/logic (the U.S. Legal drinking age) or engineering/dynamics (most lawfully posted speed limits). How can such laws be respected when they are so widely flouted by many, many people? They will continue to be flouted until people are begrudgingly forced to temporarily obey them (a.k.a. Being pulled over for speeding or asked for ID to purchase alcohol), or the laws and practice of teaching personal accountability again are permanently changed for the better.

And I suggested to you two posts ago that we can agree to disagree. If asked for ID I will ultimately obey the law, but not make it easy for the officer in question. I am not interested in fully acquiescing to what I see as a stupid mindset, which ultimately hurts RU football attendance and detracts from the tailgating/game atmosphere.

 

[RU4Real]

I don't think anyone is talking about a 200 person tailgate. I think people just want to be left alone with their 10 person tailgate.

We generally have upwards of 20 and as many as 50.

Nobody bothers us, if you don't count @MrsScrew's Crusade Against ATVs.

 

[RUsSKii]

Ru4 and Wheezer thanks for your common sense and realistic approach and comments. Unfortunately folks like skii seem to think they can do whatever they want without being subject
to the consequences. Underage drinking is a problem and is adverse publicity that Rutgers and many other colleges seek to avoid and is not needed especially when it can get out of control.

Years ago beer was often fine and the favorite as kegs were often the norm. Now that too has changed with whatever concoctions young people mix up including hard liquor and even passion punch of grain alcohol. Add in.a few pills and other things and you have a problem to monitor. Haven't seen.too many "adult problem" groups that know how to tailgate and share a great gameday experience. Some young alumni hotshots still need to learn adult behaviour but as noted the atmosphere and fun in the scarlet, green and yellow lots make gameday fun. Sometimes the only other problems are those from adults who do not monitor children better and allow them to throw footballs etc all around and interfere with other groups as well as some roaming students who need to be corrected.

Those who have traveled to away games and other B1G schools often comment on the

Thanks for your concern and barely unique contribution to this thread. Underage drinking is actually a problem because the drinking age is too high, not only making the actions of millions of college students annually illegal, but also discouraging families/parents from teaching children responsible drinking and personal accountability within the safety of home at an earlier age.

It has been stated multiple times in this thread that people who are uncontrollably drunk and causing issues with themselves and other tailgates should be dealt with accordingly. However, those whom are not causing issues and are minding their own business while enjoying themselves do not need to be corrected. Perhaps you need to be corrected.

 

[Finster Baby]

I'm in the Black lot. Same mid 30's cop on an atv every week. Guy is nothing but nice. I've been in Blue and Purple. Never had a problem with the police. Only problem I had was in Blue when a group of fraternity guys were selling wrist bands for a Naty Light bbq. It overflowed into our tailgate. It was actually mostly amusing until one tried to steal my buddies cell phone out if his truck. Boy was that a mistake. After that serious boundaries were set and followed. Next year we switched to purple. I'm a big fan of pavement now. Muddy tailgates suck.

 

[Boz29]

We spoke to an officer who appeared to be a Lt or someone of higher rank. Very cool. He stated some of the younger guys are trying to prove themselves and are a bit overzealous. He also stated he has teenage kids and let's them drink in the house. There is a happy medium. Nobody wants a shit show of drunken kids but the atmosphere was pretty subdued and could be improved.

 

[RaySt]

Quietest homecoming we have ever experienced in the blue lot. In a way I go for the folks I'm tailgating with and our row 3rd or 4th in the lot had a pretty robust tailgating scene just not rowdy. So I had a great time. But the back of the lot didn't seem to get to the level of past years. And the front was different. No lawn of natty light and keystone cans!

We really miss the homecoming festival in front of the soccer field. Made it feel like homecoming with the band, stuff for the kids and the alumni tents in one area. Now homecoming feels like every other game and getting to the stuff by the stadium just interrupts our tailgate and is kind of chaotic over there. Plus they do it every game. Didn't feel special.

Next game is a night game. Then we will really see if the blue lot is different. A true test.

 

[bac2therac]

I don't think anyone is talking about a 200 person tailgate. I think people just want to be left alone with their 10 person tailgate.

So tell me what your 10 person tailgate is doing to get shut down

 

[Knight Shift]

I got an e-mail from Rutgers athletics asking for my feedback. For the record, I am 48, and we go as a family. We don't drink, but I have no problem with people drinking and having fun at a tailgate. I left pretty extensive comments that some of the police on ATVs need to relax a little bit, and that they should spend time going after out of control people and not randomly carding tail gates that are not causing any problems. I also indicated that keeping the aisle clear for a grill fire so a fire apparatus could get through is silly. Fire apparatus have 150 and 200 foot handlines. We don't pull right up to a burning grill or vehicle. We stretch the 150 or 200 foot hose line. I invited them to contact me me to discuss. Agree that there is a happy medium. Walked through the blue lot yesterday to visit DJ Spanky, and nobody seemed out of control.

 

[TM514]

Purple lot is a cemetery. I have to get back to Blue. Its worth a 401K withdrawl!

 

[MrsScrew]

We generally have upwards of 20 and as many as 50.

Nobody bothers us, if you don't count @MrsScrew's Crusade Against ATVs.

our 20 to 50+ tailgates are spread through a minimum of 3 and up to 6 tents so we are good.

my ATV crusade worked just fine, as did my suggestion to the RUPD that the cars be parked so that people can tailgate with their friends.

 

[ArminRU]

So tell me what your 10 person tailgate is doing to get shut down

I never said I got shut down. I only get the "move your tent over" bs and I was once told to turn my little blue booth speakers off, which was bizarre. I've seen them harass other people though and it's ridiculous. These are not young people either. These guys see a group playing flip cup and all of a sudden they are all being asked to show ID and being questioned like criminals.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

If cops are ruining the mood and being abusive.. take VIDEO of it. And others take video of the guy taking video in case the cops go to abuse him or her for taking video.

But the thing is, if the Blue Lot wild folk did not go too far in the past, it is possible none of this would be happening. Maybe you should set your sights on a nice pleasant tailgate environment instead of a wild and out of control one. Aim for more "Grateful Dead concert" than "Rolling Stones at Altamont".

 

[RaySt]

I'd just like to see a return to a homecoming event. The school needs to run one again. Yesterday was just another football game. No common grounds dedicated to letting people come back home, bump into old friends, reinstall some school pride. Just another football game with vendors, loud generators and usual fare. I went to the Marist homecoming last year. Complete opposite. Huge tents on the river, activities, food, kid stuff. People seeing old friends. The school promoting itself well. I swear I walked away thinking my daughter needs to go here. Yesterday, didn't see anyone I didn't invite to my tailgate and then watched a game. Nothing felt like homecoming. Lack of investment will be a negative for RU for years . You build these things with consistency and over time. If you are going to crack down on individual partying invest in making homecoming an event again.

 

[RUJohnny99]

I went to the Marist homecoming last year. Complete opposite. Huge tents on the river, activities, food, kid stuff. People seeing old friends. The school promoting itself well. I swear I walked away thinking my daughter needs to go here.

Interesting selection criteria you have for your daughter's education. You may want to consider some of the Florida coastal schools for her party needs.

 

[RaySt]

Interesting selection criteria you have for your daughter's education. You may want to consider some of the Florida coastal schools for her party needs.

A private upstate school that runs a first class event for alumni. Yep...definitely impressed me. Oh and my wife went there which is why I was there. What did you picture from my description? Hmmm. Way off.

 

[RU4Real]

A private upstate school that runs a first class event for alumni. Yep...definitely impressed me. Oh and my wife went there which is why I was there. What did you picture from my description? Hmmm. Way off.

I took one of my kids to visit Marist. It didn't make her cut and had it not been for the visit to Vassar earlier in the day we likely wouldn't have gone at all..

The campus lacks any sense of intimacy or tradition and the entire place is a giant IBM commercial.

In fact, that video that they showed for the information session (info session videos = "lame" = "strike 1") actually WAS a 25 minute IBM commercial.

 

[e5fdny]

The Sheriff's officers we spoke to told us that they have been told by RU to crack down on the underage drinking. The RU police don't want to do it themselves since they are the daily face at RU so they have passed it off to the sheriff dept that is only there on game day.

Interesting and what I assumed all along.

Kind of like how the doctor never gives the shot and instead they let the nurse be the bad guy. ;) LOL