Boomer and Carton weigh in on PSU

[Dpgru]

What baffles me the most about this demented sick individual named Sandusky is: Was he Bear Bryant/ Nick Saban/ Pop Warner/ Alonzo Amos Stagg/ Knute Rockne/Lombardi rolled into one as an assistant in the eyes of Paterno? For him not to just get rid of him from the get after the first allegations and witnessing of child abuse on the grounds of the football facility? I mean really? Or did this guy have the goods on JoePa that he couldn't get rid of him? I mean who on JoePa's coaching staffs hung out with this guy after work? Holy moses. The shit this guy pulled off was systemic.

GO RU

I think there is a reason he kept him on the premisis. Think about it. If we accept that Paterno did not want the story out (we can surmise that because he didn't turn Sandusky in when he could have) he couldn't let him go because if Sandusky continued his behavior elsewhere and he was discovered (which is likely to have happened eventually) the story would have circled back to PSU. Joe couldn't let Sandusky go because he had to be able to control the flow of information. As long as Sandusky was at PSU Joe had some element of control over the situation. The only way Paterno could stay on top of this situation was to keep
Sandusky close. That is the only thing that makes any sense to me. Where else in college football was an assistant coach given emeritus status and an office with no job description.

 

[Knight Ed]

Paterno has a history of being OK with rape even before Sandusky happened

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-s-troubling-attitude-toward-sex-charges.html

 

[Dpgru]

Paterno has a history of being OK with rape even before Sandusky happened

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-s-troubling-attitude-toward-sex-charges.html

Interesting quote from Paterno. He may not have been what many thought he was.

 

[Dpgru]

Paterno has a history of being OK with rape even before Sandusky happened

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-s-troubling-attitude-toward-sex-charges.html

The rather cavalier attitude displayed by the administration (at least as described in this article) also may explain why they had no problem hiring Franklin coming right off the rape allegations at Vandy. the more I hear the more I lose respect for anything related to that school.

 

[satnom]

I think there is a reason he kept him on the premisis. Think about it. If we accept that Paterno did not want the story out (we can surmise that because he didn't turn Sandusky in when he could have) he couldn't let him go because if Sandusky continued his behavior elsewhere and he was discovered (which is likely to have happened eventually) the story would have circled back to PSU. Joe couldn't let Sandusky go because he had to be able to control the flow of information. As long as Sandusky was at PSU Joe had some element of control over the situation. The only way Paterno could stay on top of this situation was to keep
Sandusky close. That is the only thing that makes any sense to me. Where else in college football was an assistant coach given emeritus status and an office with no job description.

That's crazy if they followed the logic of "he's a monster so we're going to keep him on the premises so we can keep tabs on him and let him do his thing inside the bubble rather than outside."
That's really f'ed up since many fatherless and/or wards of the state of Pennsylvania could have been protected from this freak if someone could have taken a moment early on (70s) and thought about the big picture and not just about the football program. No one associated w PSU had the cojones to stand up to the situation.

GO RU

 

[cubuffsdoug]

At this point, I would think the only thing PSU could be on the hook for is its share of the $90M+ in settlements that they will have to pay for. That is a financial matter - not a NCAA matter. No more sanctions?

GS and Bradley will have to answer their own questions about what they saw/did and it could impact their careers. The statue should disappear and the Paterno family should be told to go away quietly. Anything else I am missing?

The NCAA is guilty too for rushing to lift sanctions too quickly because PSU is a blue blood. Can't have a blue blood sitting on the sidelines to long. It hurts the value of the sport.

 

[Dpgru]

That's crazy if they followed the logic of "he's a monster so we're going to keep him on the premises so we can keep tabs on him and let him do his thing inside the bubble rather than outside."
That's really f'ed up since many fatherless and/or wards of the state of Pennsylvania could have been protected from this freak if someone could have taken a moment early on (70s) and thought about the big picture and not just about the football program. No one associated w PSU had the cojones to stand up to the situation.
GO RU

Yes it is crazy, scary crazy. And if I must be honest it is probably wrong but it is the only answer that makes any sense to your question about why Joe would keep him around. Paterno may not have considered him to be the monster he turned out to be but once this whole process started there was no going back. If Sandusky had something on JoPa then why wouldn't he have made Paterno keep his coaching position? maybe Gerry promised Joe he would never do it again, who knows. But if Paterno just fired him and made him leave and Sandusky continued his behavior (and we know he would have) once caught the PSU connection would be uncovered and they would have looked very bad. By keeping him there Paterno could at least keep an eye on the situation. It makes sense to me although I agree it is a little crazy. But as I said scary crazy.

 

[RUBand]

I think sworn testimony constitutes evidence.

Out of these three, someone('s) pants is on fire.

 

[Saint Puppy]

Yes it is crazy, scary crazy. And if I must be honest it is probably wrong but it is the only answer that makes any sense to your question about why Joe would keep him around. Paterno may not have considered him to be the monster he turned out to be but once this whole process started there was no going back. If Sandusky had something on JoPa then why wouldn't he have made Paterno keep his coaching position? maybe Gerry promised Joe he would never do it again, who knows. But if Paterno just fired him and made him leave and Sandusky continued his behavior (and we know he would have) once caught the PSU connection would be uncovered and they would have looked very bad. By keeping him there Paterno could at least keep an eye on the situation. It makes sense to me although I agree it is a little crazy. But as I said scary crazy.

Unfortunately it's too crazy - remember Sandusky started the 2nd mile and was constantly bringing kids around. Sorry, if I knew what Paterno knew and saw Sandusky still involved with children major red flags go up - just no way to justify this 'scary crazy' or not. No matter how you look at it JoePa turned a blind eye.

 

[oldman87]

Unfortunately it's too crazy - remember Sandusky started the 3rd mile and was constantly bringing kids around. Sorry, if I knew what Paterno knew and saw Sandusky still involved with children major red flags go up - just no way to justify this 'scary crazy' or not. No matter how you look at it JoePa turned a blind eye.

They should have stopped him when he started 2nd mile, let alone 3rd.

 

[Saint Puppy]

They should have stopped him when he started 2nd mile, let alone 3rd.

My bad - you're right!

 

[SirPerceval]

That's a different question. I understand that it's heresay, but it's still evidence however inadmissible in court for this purpose. What will it take before you admit yourself that he probably saw something, his cell phone video?

but the original premise that Schiano or Bradley should be terminated based on this evidence is silly.

 

[sherepower]

Seriously, why would M McCreary lie about something like that?

He has nothing to gain. Remember, before all that filth was leaked at that program. McCreary was a favorite son. He was the poster boy for Penn st. Plus, him and Bradley were roommates and very close. Why would he lie?

All of the sudden. He is public enemy number one to the cult...........its quite sad how they turned a 180 on a favorite son. Just because he reported what he saw.

I know a linebacker from Penn st in the mid to late 90's. Who is from my neck of the woods. He has told me many times it was a running joke in the locker room. In regards to Sandusky. Don't drop the soap if he is around. Yet, penn st's fan base is soooooo in denial. Its quite sad

 

[Dpgru]

Unfortunately it's too crazy - remember Sandusky started the 2nd mile and was constantly bringing kids around. Sorry, if I knew what Paterno knew and saw Sandusky still involved with children major red flags go up - just no way to justify this 'scary crazy' or not. No matter how you look at it JoePa turned a blind eye.

Yes, he turned a blind eye but by keeping Sandusky at PSU he was able to make sure everyone else did as well. If he had fired him and let him go he couldn't have kept it a secret. That is what makes sense to me. Paterno could have turned him over to the police, he did not, he could have fired him and sent him packing, he did not. Why? Because both of those options would have brought the situation out and, I believe, he incorrectly thought it would damage the PSU image. (I actually believe that Joe would have been heralded had he turned Sandusky in). Instead, he took him off the field but kept him close. Turning a blind eye to what Sandusky was doing would also have been true if Joe let him go. Turning a blind eye is a different topic from why he kept Sandusky around after he knew what was happening. The only thing that makes sense to me is so he could have some control over the information.

 

[lighty]

Um, a 50 year old in a shower washing a young boys back is EXACTLY a reason to suspect abuse.

It's a reason to be freaked out... it's not EXACTLY a reason to suspect abuse.

 

[R1766U]

Seriously, why would M McCreary lie about something like that?

I know a linebacker from Penn st in the mid to late 90's. Who is from my neck of the woods. He has told me many times it was a running joke in the locker room. In regards to Sandusky. Don't drop the soap if he is around. Yet, penn st's fan base is soooooo in denial. Its quite sad

This. It is only a matter of time until some former players start speaking up

 

[Abro1975]

This. It is only a matter of time until some former players start speaking up

You may be right, but he hasn't coached since 1999. What are they waiting for ? Hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands have gone through the program during his career. Not 1 ? Ever? Are thousands of players that scared ? that cult like ?

I think it's possible Sandusky was more clever and hid it better than many think.

 

[RUfromSoCal?]

Seriously, why would M McCreary lie about something like that?

He has nothing to gain. Remember, before all that filth was leaked at that program. McCreary was a favorite son. He was the poster boy for Penn st. Plus, him and Bradley were roommates and very close. Why would he lie?

All of the sudden. He is public enemy number one to the cult...........its quite sad how they turned a 180 on a favorite son. Just because he reported what he saw.

I know a linebacker from Penn st in the mid to late 90's. Who is from my neck of the woods. He has told me many times it was a running joke in the locker room. In regards to Sandusky. Don't drop the soap if he is around. Yet, penn st's fan base is soooooo in denial. Its quite sad

to think, the most honest person in that entire disgrace of a football program is a cheating, lying, compulsive gambler....


good people out there in Pennsyltucky....

 

[Rutgers1976]

Maybe McQueary was telling the truth, maybe not. Same for Schiano and Bradley. I'm guessing we may never know the whole truth. I think the tendency for Paterno was that anything unsavory going on within the program would be handled inside the program. No publicity, avoid putting police on the spot, or giving them game tickets in exchange for turning a blind eye--not just for Sandusky, but for player issues too. Then he hopes everything just goes away quietly, which it always did. Just enough action on his part to CYA. Gotta protect the program.

One other possibility, which could be a stretch: Wasn't there talk at some point about the second Mile being a front or a portion of a much larger, widespread NAMBLA-type organization? There may have been a connection with some large donors, politicians, etc. as I recall. If that was the case, then perhaps it could have been even bigger than JoePa and even he was told to keep things under his hat for those sorts of reasons. If that DA went missing/dead, it could happen to anybody who was getting too close to the heart of the issue--and not about the PSU Football Program, either. Makes for a nice, large conspiracy theory.

 

[LC-88]

One other possibility, which could be a stretch: Wasn't there talk at some point about the second Mile being a front or a portion of a much larger, widespread NAMBLA-type organization? There may have been a connection with some large donors, politicians, etc. as I recall. If that was the case, then perhaps it could have been even bigger than JoePa and even he was told to keep things under his hat for those sorts of reasons. If that DA went missing/dead, it could happen to anybody who was getting too close to the heart of the issue--and not about the PSU Football Program, either. Makes for a nice, large conspiracy theory.

If I recall, back when the Sandusky story first broke. There was suppossed to be a big follow up story coming out that was going to expose a large group of influential people that were "customers" of Sandusky and his charity. Story never came out.

 

[AshSaturday]

Objection. Double hearsay.

If there was double hearsay Penn State should at least (once again) be on double secret probation! Put em in place attorneys!